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sprocket1

is this the best poker programme on tv?

ditpoker

this and the coverage of WSOP 05 are up there... negreanu is the best to watch

Daithio

This is far and away the best poker on tv. You get to see exactly why they are the best players in the world. The WPT is a load of bollox and the WSOP isn't much better. I was really impressed by Freddie Deeb tonight, what a class player. Is anybody recording it or can you buy it on dvd?

hotspur

Yes this series is the best poker show I've ever seen. I got them all "from my cousin" Long John Silver. How much of an asshole is Sheiky?

Lafortezza

No discussions of the technicalities of receiving stuff from your cousins please!

I was very impressed my Antonio's play throughout the couple of episodes I saw. I didn't see how Negreanu got himself into such a deep hole in the early episodes but he was pretty impressive in how he got himself back close to even.

I think Sheiky is great.

Lazare

Amazing t.v, one thing I was wondering, do they really sit there with bricks of cash on the table in the big games,(Bellagio etc..) or is this pure "Hollywoodising". Anyone else think this is a little dangerous for the players? Makes nut jobs think they're walking around the place with hundreds of grand.
Another thing, regular dealers in these games must make a whole lot more money than the average pro, tips must be huge!!

Jaden

Freddie's ability to lay down hands when he's beaten is amazing. His call of 50 grand with 2nd pair against Daniel last night was stunning. I was sitting on the couch roaring at him to call.

Sammy is the man when it comes to speech play. He's very amusing to watch. The old geezer Bob Stupak is some chap. He'd be in for slaps if we were at the same table.

Todd should ask his Dad for advice on laying down small pocket pairs.

jem

Jaden wrote:

Freddie's ability to lay down hands when he's beaten is amazing. His call of 50 grand with 2nd pair against Daniel last night was stunning. I was sitting on the couch roaring at him to call.

Sammy is the man when it comes to speech play. He's very amusing to watch. The old geezer Bob Stupak is some chap. He'd be in for slaps if we were at the same table.

Todd should ask his Dad for advice on laying down small pocket pairs.

Agree with all youy say here.
great tv, serious money though.
How did dn have over $1m to start with when buy in was $100k afaik. did he win a sh1t load only to lose a sh1t load?

Socos

jem wrote:

How did dn have over $1m to start with when buy in was $100k afaik. did he win a sh1t load only to lose a sh1t load?

He bought in for $1M minimum buy in was $100,000 no max AFAIK.Daniel lost half his stack in the first few episodes but recovered well

aidankk

lafortezza wrote:

No discussions of the technicalities of receiving stuff from your cousins please!

I was very impressed my Antonio's play throughout the couple of episodes I saw. I didn't see how Negreanu got himself into such a deep hole in the early episodes but he was pretty impressive in how he got himself back close to even.

I think Sheiky is great.

Daniel got really done a number of times for huge pots in the last 2 progs..

Farah, called an all in on a 7 high flush draw, and hit, he also lost a stack on two flopped straigts.. In addition he lost with a house to a higher house, you could see in his face he had a feeling he was beat..

He was fav on the flop in at least 4 out of five of those pots, winning none.. Now thats a bad run. He could have easily been up 500k..


NOTE ::: Suited Connectors seem to be king at high stakes, none of the players will lay them down to a standard raise...

Drakar

You can bring in as much as you like methinks, the min buyin is 100k.

I can't believe that play Daniel made last night calling someone's all in with his flush draw with one card left (saying he knew he was behind). There was no way he was getting even close to the odds to call unless he was thinking he wasn't behind.

aidankk

Drakar wrote:

You can bring in as much as you like methinks, the min buyin is 100k.

I can't believe that play Daniel made last night calling someone's all in with his flush draw with one card left (saying he knew he was behind). There was no way he was getting even close to the odds to call unless he was thinking he wasn't behind.

it was against farah, who had done him a number of times in earlier programes, he wanted payback, and was willing to gamble, a bit of tilt i think..

Linford

Lazare wrote:

Amazing t.v, one thing I was wondering, do they really sit there with bricks of cash on the table in the big games,(Bellagio etc..) or is this pure "Hollywoodising". Anyone else think this is a little dangerous for the players? Makes nut jobs think they're walking around the place with hundreds of grand.
Another thing, regular dealers in these games must make a whole lot more money than the average pro, tips must be huge!!

I think they are playing in a suite in the nugget or some other room, I don't think anyone can just walk in and usually all the cash is left behind the cage at the end of play.

I played in the nugget during the WSOP in 2004 and there was only chips on the table in the big game in the cordoned of corner of the poker room, Doyle, Johnny Chan, Sammy Farha and lots of other well known players were playing in it.

One evening in a 4/8 limit cash game, the dealer was complaining that he had to go over to the "Big game". All of us at the table were saying that must be great. He said it wasn't, the players in the big game tip less (if at all) than the players in 2/4 limit, and if you make a mistake the players can get very nasty. Apparently as the players only have big chips in play, they pay the rake by the hour (no rake at the Nugget during WSOP as it brought so many people into the room) and might leave a tip for all the dealers at the end of a session if they win.

willis

Yeah great show. Negreanue's hand reading ability is absolutely amazing,its incredible. So many times hes got unlucky in all the episodes ive watched,but some of his laydowns have been incredible. At the Main event this year the laydowns he was forced to make were sickening but brilliant, he kept getting outdrawn on the turn or river yet it was like he saw the cards face up his reading ability was that good.

Deeb made a good call last night but he didnt impress me as much. He was also bluffed off a pot by that Doctor guy. Farha is a legend in a comedic sense, is also a very good player imo but hes a gamble at heart and hates folding flush draws etc. He also seems to be very lucky so far.

Sheiky is outta his depth imo,just trying to get himself tv exposure. Tonights episode looks very contreversial from the preview clips...great programme and cant wait to watch.

BTW Niall O'Callaghan was on PlayerTV yesterday playing the PartyPoker European Open,played very well till his KK ran into AA. This programme is usually at 12midday on channel 123

myflipflops

it's quality stuff alright. i was amazed at the range of hands that some of them are willing to play. i mean, i knew someone like negreanu would be calling raises with A7 and Q9 and stuff out of position against your average joe but with johnny chan or barry greenstein at the table i thought the range would be smaller. The amount of decisions these guys put to each other is incredible. I'd love to see the complete coverage on it, watch every single hand. i'd certainly watch 5 or 6 hours of it straight.


btw, what does everyone think of the commentary? generally it's good but it annoys me how much they pick on the 'amateur' players. i mean, when barry greenstein raises in position with muck after theres a few limpers so he can steal the free money, it's a great play. when that dr. nassieri guy tried to do it, it's suddenly not a good move and gabe caplan takes the piss out of the 'amateur'. it's just something that was annoying me a bit.

Drakar

You can't make fun of Gabe, he's a poker analyst! *cough*

It was amazing to see the number of times people called raises with like 68o.

5starpool

Drakar wrote:

It was amazing to see the number of times people called raises with like 68o.

No doubt there will be a whole load of 'experts' doing likewise cause they seen it on the telly, except these guys will do it without knowing how best to play these hands and congratulate themselves the tiny % times they hit a flop of 662 despite a big raise preflop and them being OOP.

Hectorjelly

Negraneu played like an idiot - he was constantly folding the best hand and paying off better hands

delanec8

Hectorjelly wrote:

Negraneu played like an idiot - he was constantly folding the best hand and paying off better hands

This is so out of line and a complete load of crap!!!! I can't remember Negraneu folding a single hand!!:D

Hectorjelly

delanec8 wrote:

This is so out of line and a complete load of crap!!!! I can't remember Negraneu folding a single hand!!:D

lol

hotspur

I thought that Negraneu was by far and away the best player throughout the series but just got bashed by big outdraws early on. Interestingly I think Negraneu won a huge amount in prop bets (someone told me it was like $500k). It was a pity Ted Forrest didn't play more, and Sammy Farha is a great postflop player.

If you liked that series you should try to get your hands on the Poker Superstars DVD series 1, it is several rounds of single table tournaments with the same players - all the big game players (doyle, chip, chan, lederer, greenstein, cloutier, ivey, and gus who they didn't seem to know that well and it was great to see what they made of him)

delanec8

Poker Superstars has nothing on HSP. They all just ended in crapshoots from what i remember.

As far as Negraneu's play i thought he played really well at the start but once he got into about a $300000 hole he tilted and made some very bad plays. I thought Forrest and Deeb played the best (obviously disregarding Bob Stupak and Fred Charmanara).

DS

Kaplan is a legend, great comic timing.

delanec8

DS wrote:

Kaplan is a legend, great comic timing.

Agreed. I loved Stupak's interview and whole demeanour aswell. He must have been ripping the piss and if so it was quality. If not, maybe even funnier!