Bottom set. Drawless board. Double minraise. ????

ianmc38

1877 appears to be a fish. Pele is a solid winner who i've played with many times. My table image is very lag, i've been robbing blinds regularly and making lots of successful continuation bets, but i've shown down lots of big hands when winning pots. What's my move here?

Table "Libby" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Pele ($250.28 in chips)
Seat 2: JohnDory ($260.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Cedro19 ($225.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Ric041050 ($41.56 in chips)
Seat 5: 1877 ($170.69 in chips)
Seat 6: Helgoy ($87 in chips)
Helgoy: posts small blind $1
Pele: posts big blind $2

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HOLE CARDS

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dealt to JohnDory [2s 2h]
JohnDory: raises to $6
Cedro19: folds
Ric041050: folds
1877: calls $6
Helgoy: folds
Pele: calls $4

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FLOP

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[2d Ts Ac]
Pele: checks
JohnDory: bets $10
1877: raises to $30
Pele: raises to $50
John Dory: ???

RoundTower

I think you should be going all the way with this hand. The fish will probably pay you off with an Ace. I don't really know what hand a good player would check-min-reraise with on this board, I would have thought no hand, but probably he can do it with more than just TT.

That said I'm not sure if I would like to call here or pop it up to 150 or so when it is obviously all going in if you get called. Also, bet bigger on the flop.

Bandana boy

Push this is not TTT more times than it is

ocallagh

I'd need a very solid read on either Pele or 1877 to fold this hand.

ianmc38

ocallagh wrote:

I'd need a very solid read on either Pele or 1877 to fold this hand.

So if you play on, whats your move here? Call, raise? If you just call, what's your plan for the rest of the hand?

fuzzbox

I call, and when he bets any turn, I get all in.

ocallagh

ianmc38 wrote:

So if you play on, whats your move here? Call, raise? If you just call, what's your plan for the rest of the hand?

It seems to me like calling the 50 here might be a good move. There are no credible draws on board. The pot is a monster compared to the stacks involved... Both players are looking to get their chips in the middle and hopefully 1877 will push pre-flop. Even if 1877 calls pre-flop, either 1877 or Pele will bet/push the turn 9 times out of 10 if you check it to them..

So in summary, I let Pele and 1877 do the bettin for me... with a view to check/pushing on the turn.

An ace or a ten on the turn are the only serious scare cards...

RoundTower

ianmc38 wrote:

So if you play on, whats your move here? Call, raise? If you just call, what's your plan for the rest of the hand?

Well you are in last position, surely one of the two interested parties will bet the turn (no matter what it is) and it will be easy for you to push. If it is checked to you, bet fairly big.

AmarilloFats

I think you should push here..
You said pele is a decent player, hence a flat call after his minraise stinks of strength....If he has AT you are gonna get him all in on this flop..But if you flat call and a K Q J falls on turn maybe he will get away.

ianmc38

RoundTower wrote:

Well you are in last position, surely one of the two interested parties will bet the turn (no matter what it is) and it will be easy for you to push. If it is checked to you, bet fairly big.

I was in second position in the hand and played it terribly.

In hindsight, i reckon fishy had a small ace and flat calling and checking would have extracted more from him. Pele thought i was weak and was hoping to extract more out of fishy with AK and thought i'd fold to the second minraise.

I played a great session and made one donkey play (this hand). I pushed and both folded. Flat calling would have got the alarm bells ringing for AK, but i wanted the money from the fish with A rag who would happily have bet any turn with his top pair, most likely donating his stack to me in he process.

Flat calling and checking the turn would have been far better, as they'd have needed runner runner to outdraw me. I also think AK may have given me more. He correctly typed "wtf 22??? into the chat box". May as well have told him what i had before i made the raise. I did tell him AQ though. lol.