What tactics

patmac

There is a tourney starting tonight for the first time where I live, lots on new players. I play a lot online but rarely offline due to lack of tourneys in the area. What tactics do ye think I should play. I'm thinking it will be very hard to bluff and that I should keep it very tight. It's 25 entry(5reg) + one buy in of 20euros. Apologies if this has been asked before.

fuzzbox

See lots of cheap flops, bet a lot with TPGK, as they will call with Top pair no kicker, middle pair any kicker, bottom pair good kicker, any straight draw (incl gutshot), any flush draw.

Dont bluff much, if at all.
Hit good cards .... and dont try "fancy" checking ... if you make a hand then come to life and bet/raise like there is no tomorrow.

jtsuited

Depending on the blind structure, You're might be better off playing rock tight and never relying on table image, the concept of which is far beyond the grasp of the average-pub-type player.

Also as mentioned recently in another thread:
Pub/bad players don't understand pot odds, but they do understand getting knocked out. If you put a player on a draw, push rather than overbet the pot.

Good luck.

staringelf

i agree with fuzz. keep it simple. dont bluff. play your good hands strongly and aggressively. fastplay unless you hit a monster. raise a good amount (at least 3-4x BB) with good hands preflop to keep from seeing the flop with 8 rag hands.
thats about it.

cardshark202

jtsuited wrote:

If you put a player on a draw, push rather than overbet the pot.

No overbet, you want him/her to call. Don't push, just keep overbetting, they'll call, you'll have a monster stack if you play this way. GL.

jtsuited

cardshark202 wrote:

No overbet, you want him/her to call. Don't push, just keep overbetting, they'll call, you'll have a monster stack if you play this way. GL.

Surely protecting your hand is important.

cardshark202

jtsuited wrote:

Surely protecting your hand is important.

Thats why you're overbetting the pot. If I have a set, I want a flush draw to call rather than fold.

jtsuited

and then when that heart hits, pub player A checks on the river and you have to decide if he really was on a draw or had bottom pair or some other sh1te. Then you're in all sorts of trouble, because the poker demons in your head start telling you to extract maximum value and then you bet. Of course he comes over the top and you have to throw your set away, and then he's happy with all the shiny colouredy chips ("dat are like dem one's in vegas!") coming his way.
Maybe it's just what happens me then. That's why I push on the flop so that i can either build chips steadily (if they fold), get all their chips (if they call and miss), or whine about how i did my best to get them out of the hand and how at least i got my money in while i was ahead (if they call and hit).
Jaysus i hate pub tourneys.

patmac

jtsuited wrote:

and then when that heart hits, pub player A checks on the river and you have to decide if he really was on a draw or had bottom pair or some other sh1te. Then you're in all sorts of trouble, because the poker demons in your head start telling you to extract maximum value and then you bet. Of course he comes over the top and you have to throw your set away, and then he's happy with all the shiny colouredy chips ("dat are like dem one's in vegas!") coming his way.
Maybe it's just what happens me then. That's why I push on the flop so that i can either build chips steadily (if they fold), get all their chips (if they call and miss), or whine about how i did my best to get them out of the hand and how at least i got my money in while i was ahead (if they call and hit).
Jaysus i hate pub tourneys.

lol Was looking forward to it.
Thanks for all the advice, let you know how I got on.

staringelf

jtsuited wrote:

and then when that heart hits, pub player A checks on the river and you have to decide if he really was on a draw or had bottom pair or some other sh1te. Then you're in all sorts of trouble, because the poker demons in your head start telling you to extract maximum value and then you bet. Of course he comes over the top and you have to throw your set away, and then he's happy with all the shiny colouredy chips ("dat are like dem one's in vegas!") coming his way.
Maybe it's just what happens me then. That's why I push on the flop so that i can either build chips steadily (if they fold), get all their chips (if they call and miss), or whine about how i did my best to get them out of the hand and how at least i got my money in while i was ahead (if they call and hit).
Jaysus i hate pub tourneys.

i agree. survival and steady accumulation of chips is far more important. its not a cash game where every -EV play by an opponent will eventually reward you over the log run. in a tournie, if you lose a big hand, you're invariably gone (unless you have a big stack and can absorb a few hits). if that flush draw scenario comes up 3 times against you and you play it by betting the pot or slightly more every time, although your opponent isn't getting odds to call he's going to call anyway (because we've agreed they are bad players and don't appreciate pot odds) hit and do some serious damge at least once in three on average. you cant afford that. i find you have to be overly aggressive with big hands in games like these, just to ensure survival. you'll pick up enough small pots to keep advancing without the danger of other players stupidity knocking you out - even if it was a bad beat. bad beat or not, you're going home either way.

patmac

jtsuited wrote:

and then when that heart hits, pub player A checks on the river and you have to decide if he really was on a draw or had bottom pair or some other sh1te. Then you're in all sorts of trouble, because the poker demons in your head start telling you to extract maximum value and then you bet. Of course he comes over the top and you have to throw your set away, and then he's happy with all the shiny colouredy chips ("dat are like dem one's in vegas!") coming his way.
Maybe it's just what happens me then. That's why I push on the flop so that i can either build chips steadily (if they fold), get all their chips (if they call and miss), or whine about how i did my best to get them out of the hand and how at least i got my money in while i was ahead (if they call and hit).
Jaysus i hate pub tourneys.

All that and the rest!!!
Here's a brief synapsis of what happened (don't want it to sound like Bad beat etc). Buy in €25+€20 rebuy(1) if you haven't rebought then you can top up. 34 players I think everyone either topped up or rebought. 1st €300+€90 ticket for freezeout next Monday, 2nd €210+€90 ticket , 3rd €150+€90 ticket, 4th €80+€90 ticket, 5th €80.
AA beaten by 10,4 (10,10). Rebuilt AA beaten by 7d2d flop Ad4d7s you can guess the rest. Rebuild, all in with A6 flop A,10,6, called by J,Q of course K comes on the turn. Rebuy before break not happy. The standard is indescribable guys going all in and winning with middle pair, refusing to fold A,K despite no improvement. After break have BB K,5 flop is A,K,10, 3 players no bet turn is 5 I go all in, 2 see me one with A rag, one with K rag, treble up.
Guy sits in with loads of chips and proceeds to fold when checked to him.
Down to last 18, much better players at my table am able to hold my blinds, start to play a normal game. My KK knocks out an all in QJ (he had earlier filled the straight with a K, and then complained his luck had deserted him!). Final table I'm about 5th going in do not see a hand. The chip leader is the guy who earlier folded when checked to him he lost with A6 to eventual winner who had QQ on an KQ7 flop. I was eventually blinded out in 4th spot but happy. In the end the best players filled the top spots and it was a great night the atmosphere was great with a big crowd watching and applauding the final table maybe they could have given out more money as it said 100% payout but then I mighn't be too accurate on rebuys etc..

jtsuited

well done, but now you understand the headaches i get just thinking about pub tourneys!!
34*40=1360 prizepool
prizes paid out total 1180.

Gap of 180. All seems fine if you take into account that you can't be certain all players rebought/topped up.
It's looks probable that they did actually do a 100% payout.

patmac

jtsuited wrote:

well done, but now you understand the headaches i get just thinking about pub tourneys!!

I have a headache now which you don't get online, could be something to do with the Budweiser, or the decision making or the bad beats or the fact I got paid. Probably the Bud.

Pokerevents

patmac wrote:

All that and the rest!!!
Here's a brief synapsis of what happened (don't want it to sound like Bad beat etc). Buy in €25+€20 rebuy(1) if you haven't rebought then you can top up. 34 players I think everyone either topped up or rebought. 1st €300+€90 ticket for freezeout next Monday, 2nd €210+€90 ticket , 3rd €150+€90 ticket, 4th €80+€90 ticket, 5th €80.
AA beaten by 10,4 (10,10). Rebuilt AA beaten by 7d2d flop Ad4d7s you can guess the rest. Rebuild, all in with A6 flop A,10,6, called by J,Q of course K comes on the turn. Rebuy before break not happy. The standard is indescribable guys going all in and winning with middle pair, refusing to fold A,K despite no improvement. After break have BB K,5 flop is A,K,10, 3 players no bet turn is 5 I go all in, 2 see me one with A rag, one with K rag, treble up.
Guy sits in with loads of chips and proceeds to fold when checked to him.
Down to last 18, much better players at my table am able to hold my blinds, start to play a normal game. My KK knocks out an all in QJ (he had earlier filled the straight with a K, and then complained his luck had deserted him!). Final table I'm about 5th going in do not see a hand. The chip leader is the guy who earlier folded when checked to him he lost with A6 to eventual winner who had QQ on an KQ7 flop. I was eventually blinded out in 4th spot but happy. In the end the best players filled the top spots and it was a great night the atmosphere was great with a big crowd watching and applauding the final table maybe they could have given out more money as it said 100% payout but then I mighn't be too accurate on rebuys etc..

Hi Pat,
I was not at the event but heard there was a great athmosphere. I also have the figures regarding the prizepool.
There were 33 players x 20 660
Re-buys 26 re-buys/top-ups x 20 520

Total taken in was €1180 plus €165 reg. Total paid out €1180.
Total chips in play 160,000 which was correct at the start of final table.
It was confirmed to me by Manus/Ross who run the event that a chip count was completed at the final table and announced to all players.
Eamonn the owner/manager has also confirmed this to me by phone.
I am totally confident that the above is 100% accurate.
I.M.O and to the best of my knowledge this is the best value for money a poker tournament player could get anywhere in the world. It a good thing for Ballinasloe to have it and I hope you continue to support it on a weekly basis.

Fintan Gavin.

jtsuited

what was the blind structure like?

Pokerevents

25 - 50
50 - 100
75 - 150
100 - 200
150 - 300
200 - 400
300 - 600
400 - 800
500 - 1000
800 - 1500
1000 - 2000
2000 - 4000
3000 - 6000
4000 - 8000
5000 - 10000 frozen
All levels are 15 mins. All tables are no more than 8handed.

patmac

Pokerevents wrote:

Hi Pat,
I was not at the event but heard there was a great athmosphere. I also have the figures regarding the prizepool.
There were 33 players x 20 660
Re-buys 26 re-buys/top-ups x 20 520

Total taken in was €1180 plus €165 reg. Total paid out €1180.
Hi Fintan
Many apologies for questioning the payout as I said just doing a rough estimate in my (fuzzy)head. We had a great night in Ballinasloe and hopefully it will continue. Very good value. Wasn't sure it was pokervents as the laptop that connects to the telly with blind structure, timng etc wasn't present.
Didn't mean to offend anyone.

Pokerevents

patmac wrote:

Pokerevents wrote:

Hi Pat,
I was not at the event but heard there was a great athmosphere. I also have the figures regarding the prizepool.
There were 33 players x 20 660
Re-buys 26 re-buys/top-ups x 20 520

Total taken in was €1180 plus €165 reg. Total paid out €1180.
Hi Fintan
Many apologies for questioning the payout as I said just doing a rough estimate in my (fuzzy)head. We had a great night in Ballinasloe and hopefully it will continue. Very good value. Wasn't sure it was pokervents as the laptop that connects to the telly with blind structure, timng etc wasn't present.
Didn't mean to offend anyone.

No offence taken Pat and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Again there is a final table chip count and it makes it simple to do the maths and verify the prizepool.
Regards.

phanton

Hi Pat, Where was this event held? Is it weekly/monthly? From Athlone so might scoot down the next night it's on. Seems like good value by all accounts.

Goodluck2me

i think your defo right to question the payout as people like pokerevents will comeo on forums like these and reply honestly. theres no confusion and your happy with the value,it marks in stark contrast to CPT who if events like these gatehr momentum will make them change pretty quickly. good for poker.

patmac

phanton wrote:

Hi Pat, Where was this event held? Is it weekly/monthly? From Athlone so might scoot down the next night it's on. Seems like good value by all accounts.

Hi Phanton
I don't think i am allowed to advertise the event here but you could find most of the info at
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054928296.
It is weekly, definetly well worth checking out. I felt guilty for questioning the payout but I only did so because Roundwood suggested I should in that thread. Won a ticket for Monday night in Athlone so might see you there. Maybe Fintan could do a thread on the thing.

phanton

Thanks for the info. Didn't realise the satellites were being run again in Athlone - not mentioned on the Pokerevents site (that I could see anyway)