€25 a month for phone and broadband .. start speculating

damien

http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=TECHNOLOGY-qqqs=themarket-qqqid=14022-qqqx=1.asp

Voice service with free calls to landlines and broadband and possibly free install. all for €25. Speculate!!!

However, it is the imminent launch of an all-in broadband and phone line package for under €25 per month, with no line rental charge, that looks set to be the tipping point for the rest of the industry over the coming months.

The deal, to be offered over the coming weeks by a significant broadband provider, will be widely available and will include free calls to any Irish landline, as well as a broadband connection.

Over the summer, most operators are expected to cut back or abolish installation fees and download caps, as competition heats up.

cormie

good stuff:)

mike65

Good stuff if you don't have to spend a month porting over from your current provider. Unless it is your current provider. It won't be UTV. They have given up on product innovation.

Mike.

cormie

it may well be utv actually. I'm sure they know they are losing a lot of customers. They used to be the best, now they are nowhere near the best. People in the know go with the best which is why people went with them in the first place, perhaps it's competition time again for UTV?

Sponge Bob

TalkTalk !

Cryos

damien.m wrote:

http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=TECHNOLOGY-qqqs=themarket-qqqid=14022-qqqx=1.asp

Voice service with free calls to landlines and broadband and possibly free install. all for €25. Speculate!!!

Digiweb anyone, as i heard some roumers in the industry that they are looking to buy the smaller wireless / wired operators ?

Shyboy

I have a feeling it might be Talktalk.

Cryos

Shyboy wrote:

I have a feeling it might be Talktalk.

Could be

cormie

I'm about to send over an authorisation form for BT. Ok so I know it's BT who haven't the best reputation, but they have good value, anyway, do you reckon this could compete or is it likely to be a timed BB service and the free calls wont be anytime?

damien

At a guess I'm going to say it won't be a crappy timed product.

watty

Carphone Warehouse in UK essentially doing this. = TalkTalk/Tele2 here.

SeaSide

Chorus/ntl

<€25 therefore not a eircom wholesale product
widely available therefore not LLU

kaizersoze

SeaSide wrote:

Chorus/ntl

<€25 therefore not a eircom wholesale product
widely available therefore not LLU

Doubt it. The article said a "significant broadband provider".:p

*Awaits flaming from bk*

damien

kaizersoze wrote:

*Awaits flaming from bk*

Lol. I heard BK got NTL4 EVER tatooed across his knuckles.

Sponge Bob

it _could_ be Chorus/NTL once they are rebranded under their 'joint' identity. It _could_ be Digiweb with the Metro expansion plan they announced months back , Metro 20 .

I very much doubt it will be UTV. I still reckon its talk talk or maybe its imagine but with LOTS of T&C's attached like signing up for 36 months .

dizzywizzard

Eircom

mike65

eircoms whole business model is based on line rentals!

Mike

Blaster99

It's not an ADSL service provider. Not even the LLU guys could do it at that price I don't think.

My money is on NTL. They've been trialling VoIP for about three years now and that's usually the time it takes for them to go from bs to product.

cormie

if it is NTL, at the moment, I can't get their BB package, do you reckon this will be the case with the new product even though it says it will be widely available?

watty

Chorus/NTL AKA UPC is not what I would call Widely available. NTL/Chorus could have had the whole cable system Digital TV + Phone + Broadband over six years ago it they had had the money to spend and the vision

bk

kaizersoze wrote:

*Awaits flaming from bk*

damien.m wrote:

Lol. I heard BK got NTL4 EVER tatooed across his knuckles.

dizzywizzard

watty wrote:

Chorus/NTL AKA UPC is not what I would call Widely available. NTL/Chorus could have had the whole cable system Digital TV + Phone + Broadband over six years ago it they had had the money to spend and the vision

Didn't NTL have a phone service that they withdrew because it was going on fire or threating to do so? Or am I thinking of somat else?

cgarvey

That's right, although many will say they just wanted an excuse to get out of the voice market at that stage

Blaster99

They had a voice service, yes. The same technology is (or was) used by UPC in all their various networks and by AT&T's cable properties in the US. It's not VoIP, it uses dedicated channels on the cable. I guess a problem with the technology was that it was a different box from the cable modem so people ended up with three units in their homes. In Ireland it was only available in Tallaght and Coolock from what I recall.

Perhaps a thing going against the NTL theory is that it would have been described as triple-play if they were launching it, as they would obviously want to push the TV angle as well.

My other theory would be Irish Broadband. They have a pretty decent footprint, much greater than NTL's for sure. They have been dabbling with VoIP too. I would not want to speculate what the voice quality would be like on their network. Having actually used VoIP on IBB's network in a couple of locations I could do more than speculate, mind you.

viking

While the unofficially proposed price reductions coming this summer are to be welcomed, it must be remembered that they serve to further the margin squeeze on wholesale LLU pricing.

When the technical issues behind LLU are eventually sorted out, the margin squeeze argument from OLO's might provide eircom with another stalling tactic to delay the proper rollout of LLU (inc bitstream migration).

Viking

watty

This also will increasing be the problem as price drops:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/08/unlimited_broadband_ads_dishonest/


The second major problem is that some ISPs will go to the wall and leave users esp. Businesess stranded.


There are no free lunches

dingding

Sounds magic, would it be SMART

byte

dingding wrote:

Sounds magic, would it be SMART

Hmm, I hope so!

Is it possible that this 25eur dealy is just for new subscribers and for a limited period?

kaizersoze

dingding wrote:

Sounds magic, would it be SMART

I think the "widely available" bit would rule out Smart.
My guess would be BT.

SeaSide

unless BT are going to enter the market with an residential LLU offering wouldnt bet on it.

Sponge Bob

SeaSide wrote:

unless BT are going to enter the market with an residential LLU offering wouldnt bet on it.

Again :eek: :eek: , remember the first time they did it , I heard they provisioned 30 people in all of Ireland ??????

Nahhh they couldn't ....ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . they could !

ABC

damien.m wrote:

http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=TECHNOLOGY-qqqs=themarket-qqqid=14022-qqqx=1.asp

Voice service with free calls to landlines and broadband and possibly free install. all for €25. Speculate!!!

Hello Folks,

The article stated that the provider will supply to ANY phone line.
Is the 'any' phone line a line that is already broadband enabled by
(curse here) Eircom or will the mystery provider be upgrading lines
independently of (curse here) Eircom.


Jim

Sponge Bob

No

It could indicate a 3 month BB for offer for new customers from eircom wholesale now I think of it, only eircom wholesale can provision 'any' line. The exchange must be upgraded too.

there is evidence eircom are serious (ish) about fixing lines at the moment but mainly if you complain to Pat Kenny

eircomtribunal

Sponge Bob wrote:

It _could_ be Digiweb with the Metro expansion plan they announced months back , Metro 20 .

And the winner is Sponge Bob!
And it is even below the € 20 mark.
See the new Digiweb product launched today!

P.

cormie

Hmmm, would have liked to see free local and national calls with that. It's great and if I was living on my own I'd definitely get it, but the phone is used too much by others to make it worth giving up the free local/national any time calls BT offer for €49.82 including 1MB 10GB BB:(

If everyone was Metro it would be great but that wont happen.

Does anyone know if you can pay to get free local/national with that?

kaizersoze

eircomtribunal wrote:

And the winner is Sponge Bob!
And it is even below the € 20 mark.
See the new Digiweb product launched today!

P.

How can that be considered "widely available"??
And it doesn't "include free calls to any Irish landline, as well as a broadband connection."
I don't think this is what we're waiting for.

Altreab

eircomtribunal wrote:

And the winner is Sponge Bob!
And it is even below the € 20 mark.
See the new Digiweb product launched today!

P.

ok this is what you get when you go to the order page

"Please note: To achieve a connection under one of the standard service plans you must have clear line- of-sight from your planned transceiver location (i.e. rooftop) to a Digiweb central network transmitter, and not be more than 10km from same.."

Does anyone know where the "Digiweb central network transmitters" are in Galway?

Could this product be a "pre-emtive strike" on the new "sub €25 product" that may be coming from some other company in the summer? It appears that there is a 6 week waiting period since all areas appear to be in red (althought it appears orange on my screen LOL )
"(Area’s in Red are Pre-launch and may take up to six weeks for activation) "

What ever is happening i hope it is a early attack to gain customers competition is what we need ....... They may be plugging into the MANS (mentioned in SBP today) and using that to have back haul from more areas


Its all good but would be fantastic if i can connect to them LOL

Blaster99

From reading threads about this telephone service it sometimes/often doesn't work and is in fact considered a bonus service by Digiweb so if it doesn't work, tough.

Nice package on paper and hopefully it will stir up a bit of competition.

cormie

The question is, should I keep the sales guy in BT waiting for me to scan the acceptance form to continue with the transfer:o

Altreab

Blaster99 wrote:

From reading threads about this telephone service it sometimes/often doesn't work and is in fact considered a bonus service by Digiweb so if it doesn't work, tough.

Nice package on paper and hopefully it will stir up a bit of competition.

yeah it is ......and with BB at least you can use Skype or other similar product

lucernarian

Their FWA pricing has changed too. Their existing 512k service now costs €30 and the €35 package now has 1mbit speeds:)

http://www.digiweb.ie/athome_broadband_wireless_services.asp?

My speeds have not changed though so I will find out tomorrow to see what will happen to existing customers.

crawler

To_be_confirmed wrote:

Their FWA pricing has changed too. Their existing 512k service now costs €30 and the €35 package now has 1mbit speeds:)

http://www.digiweb.ie/athome_broadband_wireless_services.asp?

My speeds have not changed though so I will find out tomorrow to see what will happen to existing customers.

See here :- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054931616

watty

Blaster99 wrote:

From reading threads about this telephone service it sometimes/often doesn't work and is in fact considered a bonus service by Digiweb so if it doesn't work, tough.

Nice package on paper and hopefully it will stir up a bit of competition.

Well I'm 12.5km from the base on Metro and I did have quality issues with my phone, though Skype was perfect. With Firmware / QOS upgrade to the modem and changing to an Telcom Eircom "Boyne" branded handset it is now perfect.

I had to cut tree branches to get LOS... A heavy thick mist all the way across the Shannon reduces the signal more than rain but even now with leaves on trees my system is still fine. Just. The 10km LOS allows a safe marging for Rain, Hail, Fog, Ice, being at edge of a "Sector" etc.

Sponge Bob

The boyne probably draws less current because it has no display of any sort.

Digiweb may well be advised to source cheap basic analogue phones, test them off the Analogue ports and offer them to customers for €10-€15 along with wireless hubs etc . Then if you live nn form the mast and do not have an apporved phone they have a getout. Their phone service may be more susceptible to the quality of the terminating equipment than other systems ..like a copper phone line . The boyne is not a cheap analogue phone...being a Nortel... but a good quality one for its day and likely to operate in a narrow voltage range because of the quality of the components used .

cgarvey

So is this the announcement then being reported then? Fairly loose definition of "widely available" then! eircom-like PR. What about the project-20 locations? Or is that the "widely available" part to come?

Disappointing PR, but a very nice product. Hopefully they have the staff/skills to sustain it now.

Oh yeah, and what about the mobile-data license?!

Altreab

cgarvey wrote:

So is this the announcement then being reported then? Fairly loose definition of "widely available" then! eircom-like PR. What about the project-20 locations? Or is that the "widely available" part to come?

Disappointing PR, but a very nice product. Hopefully they have the staff/skills to sustain it now.

Oh yeah, and what about the mobile-data license?!

does anyone know where the individual Digiweb central network transmitters are? The Galway Metro one is in Ballybane AFAIK .... please correct me if im wrong. Where are the other transmitters? Knowing this will be an asset to people to decide if they can avail of the new Metro lite service. Have the Project 20 locations been unveiled yet? Can you help us there Crawler?

I guess the €25 deal is Metro Lite with the 20Gig download limit talked about here
It would be interesting to see what coverage Digiweb now have compared to the rest of the ISPs. It would show them in a very favorable light i feel

eircomtribunal

There was an interview with Digiweb's John Quinn on RTE's business news this evening.link to the file

P.

Chaz

Altreab wrote:

does anyone know where the individual Digiweb central network transmitters are? The Galway Metro one is in Ballybane AFAIK .... please correct me if im wrong. Where are the other transmitters? Knowing this will be an asset to people to decide if they can avail of the new Metro lite service. Have the Project 20 locations been unveiled yet? Can you help us there Crawler?

I guess the €25 deal is Metro Lite with the 20Gig download limit talked about here
It would be interesting to see what coverage Digiweb now have compared to the rest of the ISPs. It would show them in a very favorable light i feel

The 20 next towns (might be more) are pretty much the next 20 larger towns. Typically these would be Kilkenny, Carlow, Athlone, and more as well as upgraded sites in Dublin, Cork, Galway etc.