Some people call em the space cowboys...

Goodluck2me

interesting hand from MTT...
Ave stack in a MTT on betfair about 18.5k down to about 40 players and near enough to bubble 5-6 or so. ive 28K i get KK under the gun and minraise (its a horrible habit but iv done it everytime in the last 4 rounds and showed rubbish so im looking for someone to think they have me pegged. anyway MP re-raises to 5BB (which is about average for the table with or without my min raises), Button doubles this again and BB calls, it comes around to me, i just call (comments) im basically trying to look weak and carry on the persona, i know im out of position after the flop but with BB (big stack 38K won a few bad beat pots) acting before me its not the worst place either, the MP player completes. (blinds are 200-400 btw so huge pot developing)

The flop comes down Kh,Jh,Th. serious danger there but still it could have been worse... the BB bets out 4K into 16K pot, i flat call (comments im getting lots of value even if im behind iv outs), Mp player folds and button calls. i put button Ah looking to draw hed raise with flush here i think from past performance. anyway turn is Ks, and again the same scenario, BB bets out again.. 7K into 28 i think.. i call, much more confidently ill say, and button calls too ( puzzled to what he has now)... anyway turn is blank 7c i think... BB checks ..What do you do?? i checked behind him hoping to get a bet from the button who does too.. :mad: (comments please)


point of information our table turned out to be massive cheap leaders as opposed to other tables, wed about 45% of chips in play the other 2 tables sharing the rest. i just thought it was a remakable hand and comment on my play here..ty.

ditpoker

so you min raise at the start, then call into a multi handed pot with the 2nd best starting hand in poker, then have a strong hand on the flop but its a dangerous flop, get a miracle turn card and again you keep calling... then on the river, when the hand is won you check, when any bet will surely get a call, even a 1k bet will get callers with that much value... to be honest (and i'm sure some may people may disagree with me) i think you would struggle to play this hand in a worse way, and then when you hit quads, in a less profitable way... bad play got lucky... that said you must be doing something right to get that far in the tourney!

dunkamania

I think you played this hand badly for the same reasons as Ditpoker

Culchie

Do I sense a bad beat here? Was he holding AQh ?

Bandana boy

you should reraise all in pre flop

you should push the flop
you should push the river

fuzzbox

One minute you put him on the lone Ah ... the next you expect him to bet for you on a blank river?

Im with Bandana on this one - push preflop, push flop, push river.
But push somewhere.

myflipflops

as much as it pains me to agree with a dit man, i have to. don't think you played the hand well at all. Ignoring the UTG min raise (i dont know the table history so i cant comment), preflop, when it comes around to you, i make it that theres 11000 in the pot (including you're 800). i lump it all in here everytime. ur happy enough to take it down now and if 1 player calls, ur almost certainly ahead. why did want to take KK into a four handed pot out of position?

post flop, the merits of just calling the 4k can be argued but i certainly would be making a raise of some variety here. you're strong but the flop is dangerous so i wanna show strength.

The turn is your bonus and the flat call of the 7k is the only thing in the whole hand i would have done the same as you.

You left lots of chips behind checking the river. there's 49k in the pot and you have 13k left (i think). when its checked to you i would stick it all in. it's now 13k to win 62k for the others, someone might bite. Most likely event when you check - other guy checks, you win the current pot in a showdown. Possible events if you push all in - everyone folds, you win no more money than whats already in the pot but you don't have to show your hand OR someone calls and you pick up 13k more. either way, a better result than the check.

Hitman Actual

Having AA in a four-way pot preflop isn't a great situation, and having KK is worse. There's so much money to be won pre-flop, you should have just pushed. No idea what to do once you get to the flop and beyond, cos my decisions would have been finished anyway.

ditpoker

Culchie wrote:

Do I sense a bad beat here? Was he holding AQh ?

even if he does go out to a royal flush... there is no shame, at all, in going out with a poker of kings to a royal flush... sure if ever im gonna get knocked out that how i wanna go... not holding 84o making a move into aces... which sadly is the type of thing i keep doing...

Culchie

ditpoker wrote:

even if he does go out to a royal flush... there is no shame, at all, in going out with a poker of kings to a royal flush... sure if ever im gonna get knocked out that how i wanna go... not holding 84o making a move into aces... which sadly is the type of thing i keep doing...

Jeez, I know.

I don't think the hand could have been played worse tbh.... I'm just asking the question.

Bandana boy

Bet your where feeling pretty good about your quads until you read this :-)

Well you did ask

valor

I think you played it quite well your not going to get a call off a worse hand on the river so check call is the correct move

fuzzbox

valor wrote:

I think you played it quite well your not going to get a call off a worse hand on the river so check call is the correct move

In bizarro world.

Bandana boy

What do you mean your not going to get called by a worse hand
Surely a flush would call amongst others

Hectorjelly

valor wrote:

I think you played it quite well your not going to get a call off a worse hand on the river so check call is the correct move

Id personally check fold this

cooker3

Well, I go along with most people have being saying and would have played the hand differantly in pretty much every street.
Pre-flop min raise is something I never ever do so I think that's first mistake but you get lucky and have a re-raise which is the only reason you would min-raise with KK, I would make it about 5 or 6 thousand here to cut down the number of players, a call here is very weak imo.

At flop well if I raised it the way I would have played it then I push here and make it bad odds for Ah etc and if someone has 2 hearts then so be it.
Putting myself in your position then I raise here, 4k into 16k is either very weak or very strong, generally it means weak to me but if you raise it then you will soon find out.

On turn you hit dream card, this is the 1 street I would probably go along with your line, I call the bet, 7k into 28k looks weak to me again.

On river, I bet 100% of the time, the button has called down here so has not acted strong at all, the bb has looked weak with very small bets so have to take control, great chance you get some callers here, anyone with flush straight and possibly 2 pair calls.

So basically think you played it badly and were lucky to hit the Quads, how did tournament turn out?

5starpool

I'd be embarrassed to post up the story of this hand if I had played it like that.

Hectorjelly

Hectorjelly wrote:

Id personally check fold this

:eek:

jbravado

5starpool wrote:

I'd be embarrassed to post up the story of this hand if I had played it like that.

Constructive.

Rnger

Min-raise pf is excellent considering youve been doing it alot laterly, builds the pot and looks weak. But now the pot is built... push!
Call on the flop is fine, what hands are going to call your all-in here? Call the turn isnt bad, I'd be more inclined to push. A-flush is calling along with some boats and maybe straights. Checking the river is terrible! Theres only one player behind you, your really minimising your winnings here (or losses, AQh..). I've lost a bit of respect of you poker abilities from this hand

Marq

Your strategy was a risky one, but that doesn't mean that it is bad. I can see arguments for playing each street in the way that you did, until the river.
I think not betting the river is criminal. Get it all in

Goodluck2me

ok now that i have been beaten totally here by a barrage of attacks, i can honestly say i agree 100% with the critiscm. i was in fact on the BB in this hand with AhQh and was absolutely shocked to see what i was up against! i bet out the royal flush as i thought id either get a raise from one of the players, (he hardly bet out the flush, would he:) ?) but in stead i got 2 callers, i was actually delighted here i knew they had a piece of it (i didnt realise how much!), i bet out again on the turn as they called the flop bet i thought naotehr continuation bet was fine. my biggets mistkae was not bettin the river, but at the time i was trying to feign weakness. anyway at showdown the KK showed his hand even though he knew he lost and i was like WTF!! iv been trying to justify why he did what he did but i really cant see it... he typed in afew things into the chat but i wasnt sure whether to laugh or cry, although i was delighted with such a big pot with royal flush, who says they dont get paid! am i redeemed??:D also i can finally put this hand into the boast pot as my first royal flush,without thinking someone will see it!
btw i finished 3rd in this for a very respectable cash! not sure who asked!

cooker3

Ah Joe it was me who asked and well done on the finish.
That makes more sense now, I knew it was weird for you to play it like that, very nice

Goodluck2me

ty i would have gone mad if everyone said it was savage play, how i didnt get that extra 12K ill never know.. although as marq said there were a few reasons to play it like he did, i guess he was trying to trap.

ecksor

goodluck2me wrote:

i was in fact on the BB in this hand with AhQh and was absolutely shocked to see what i was up against!

Great laydown by Hectorjelly

Goodluck2me

ecksor wrote:

Great laydown by Hectorjelly

and didnt he play the hand well too lol