This ones for all you lovers out there

fuzzbox

2/4 PPP (yes PPP), 6-max

Villain has 1k. I'm a relatively new addition to the table, and havent played at these stakes on this site much, so I have nothing on him. But he does have 1k. I saw him make a big bet earlier, but he didnt show that down, so I dunno what he might have.

I have 300

Preflop
Hero opens to 14 preflop in the CO with AsTd, only villain calls in the BB

Flop (30)
Ac 7d 2s
check, hero bets 15, villain calls

Turn (60)
Ah
check, check

River (4d)
villain moves in for 1k, what you do?

ollyk1

I call.
You checked the turn to look weak and you got what you wanted. There are a lot of hands he could be putting you on that make his push make some sense altough I think its a horrible push. I call. I don't push with a straight or a house here if I'm the villian because you don't seem pot committed so I'm only worried about the villian having the case ace maybe....

In conclusion :rolleyes: I call.

fuzzbox

ollyk1 wrote:

You checked the turn to look weak

No I didnt.

ollyk1

Well there was no point in betting the turn because you don't get action from too many hands you beat but by checking you can maybe get some bluff action on the river the only problem from your point of view is the size of his river bet and what that tells us. Thats how I see it anyway. Not just to look weak.

shoutman

I cant see any reason for the villain to make that play other then a bluff. He's basically betting 300 into a 60 dollar pot.....
I can't see you being behind.

Lafortezza

Its a mahatma overbet by Villain. Fold.

5starpool

shoutman wrote:

I cant see any reason for the villain to make that play other then a bluff. He's basically betting 300 into a 60 dollar pot.....
I can't see you being behind.

Overbetting with a monster here is a good way to get paid by most people if you feel your opponent has an A that can't beat your hand (whether house or bigger A). Believing this is a bluff every time is wrong. It may well be here but if it is then I believe he would only have bet 270 to essentially put Fuzz all in. By putting all his stack in it is trying to look like a bluff I think.

Or maybe that's what it is meant to look like. He knows that you know that he knows that you know etc etc.

I am usually crap at deciphering these things though so I close my eyes and call and then kick myself often probably.

fuzzbox

Jesus guys. I have played this hand like I have nothing - if he wants to bluff, he can bet 45 here, and get me to lay down KJo !!

Ok - results.
I laid it down.

I bet half pot on this utterly drawless flop. He calls, so I dont really beat much that he can call with. When the turn comes A, there is no real point in betting, because he wont call with much (maybe a sh1tty Ace) that I bet. I am planning to call a river bet, or bet if checked to. Then he overbet pushes. I really think he is strong here, and so I lay down.

I just get the feeling he had 77 or some sh1t like it.

I guess its a good play with 77 (or A7 or A2 or AK even) because all you guys wanna call.

If he bluffed me off a nothing pot with such a bet, then good for him.

Rnger

I'm folding here. With 271 to call, he overbet too much. He made a house on the turn with 77 or A7 and is hoping you will call with trips. He's not getting much action off many other hands on this river so why not maximise if you do hold trips, your folding KK to a half-pot sized bet aswel as an all-in. Fair fcuks to him if this is a massive bluff but i dont believe it.

Lafortezza

fuzzbox wrote:

Jesus guys. I have played this hand like I have nothing - if he wants to bluff, he can bet 45 here, and get me to lay down KJo !!

Villain is risking ~$270 to win $60, I can't see this being a bluff by Villain. And I can't see it being less than Ax where x is likely to have paired or be better than your T.

Poker & Pints

It costs you $240 more to potentially double up. I don't think it is right to lay this down. You can't play scared and weak. The hand is good enough to go down with if he magically hit something. It didn't play like a FH to me and defo not a straight...So to me it comes down to the kicker. And I think if he had AJ or better he might have rereaised preflop. ALL IMO. But either decision could be right(since pot is not worth that much).

Ste05

fuzzbox wrote:

If he bluffed me off a nothing pot with such a bet, then good for him.

My thoughts exactly,

I can't believe so many people are saying to call here with A10, fairly easy fold for me.

Hectorjelly

I thnk this is an easy fold. i think theres a tiny chance he is value betting a worse hand, big chance he has AK FH/ST and 0 chance he is bluffing.

cardshark202

I agree easy fold.
What do you do here if you have AK? I assume you would fold.

RoundTower

I fold, I reckon he has a full house most of the time. Why is he never bluffing here?

Rnger

Hectorjelly wrote:

I thnk this is an easy fold. i think theres a tiny chance he is value betting a worse hand, big chance he has AK FH/ST and 0 chance he is bluffing.

eh.. does st stand for straight? I seriously doubt he's hanging around with 35

I'd say he is bluffing more than 0% of the time... its PPP!

Hectorjelly

Rnger wrote:

eh.. does st stand for straight? I seriously doubt he's hanging around with 35

I'd say he is bluffing more than 0% of the time... its PPP!

He has 1k, any many player think that a big stack means they should play more hands (they are halfright) so 35 is definitely possible. I reckon there is a tiny (less than .5%) chance that this is a bluff, because people dont bluff in spots like this, and they dont bet 300 to win 45.

ocallagh

Hectorjelly wrote:

because people dont bluff in spots like this, and they dont bet 300 to win 45.

bad players do!

Hectorjelly

ocallagh wrote:

bad players do!

I havent come across any players in months who will massively overbet bluff

cooker3

Hectorjelly wrote:

I havent come across any players in months who will massively overbet bluff

Mike Caro

FastMachine

It's either a full house or AK. No way is that a bluff.