Ultimate Fighter 3

goo

I could've sworn there was a thread.
After last week I was worried Bisping was going to lose...but he slaughtered that guy Kristian. Kendall was really impressive too, some great fighters this series.

EPO_MAN

my god goo!!!
I was just thinking that nobody was talking about the UF3 so I went on to start a thread....I was glad bisping won tonight he is one of the few genuine fighters on the show and he showed some good skills too.

really hope that redbag (name eludes me) gets his ass kicked cos he thinks that he is better than anybody with his fancy record...if it were so fancy why is he still an amateur

goo

That lad's funny, the first time he started whinging I thought he was just letting off steam, but every time he's on camera that's what he's doing.

He trained with Randy Couture, dontcha know?

EPO_MAN

goo wrote:

He trained with Randy Couture, dontcha know?

wow. I did kickboxing with a former european champ for 2 years but i was still kinda brutal.

anyway I guess assholes sell more tv so hence that shower that are in the house.

goo

I was joking, don't know if that's clear.

Any predictions for the finals/winners?

Is it a bit early to say, considering not everyone's had a fight?

Valmont

I was rooting for Bisping, he gave a good account of himself.

He seemed the more relaxed and composed of the two, which is impressive because it was his first time fighting in the U.S.A and the Kristian guy had over 40 fights under his belt!

They seem to be all getting under each others skin but thats no surprise given all that testosterone in the house

dlofnep

Bispings game has really come on. I seen a few of his earlier fights and he didn't impress me much, but he had a solid gameplan and stuck to it, got the win. Fair play to him.

Elytron, that's not a spoiler. That's just your opinion on who you think will win

goo

dlofnep wrote:

Elytron, that's not a spoiler. That's just your opinion on who you think will win

He must be very confident.
I thought Pointon might be good, so I'm not making any predictions for a bit.

Im2Lazy

I didn't watch the previous 2 series but I'm addicted to this one.

I was glad Bisping won, it was well deserved he dominated the fight.

EPO_MAN wrote:

really hope that redbag (name eludes me) gets his ass kicked cos he thinks that he is better than anybody with his fancy record

Ed Herman is his name - I HATE THAT GUY !!!!:mad:

I'm kind of like you, I hope he gets his ass handed to him but I think it might be more annoying for him if he lost by decision.........he'd never stop moaning about it !

What is Shamrock's problem, he's going on like he's too good to be teaching these guys & he's constantly flanked by his steroid pumped "goons" he's like something off the Sopranos.

Go team Puishment !!!!! Clean Sweep.

Im2Lazy

Elytron wrote:

oh i forgot to say i've really grown to like TO from watching this show.

I know what you mean, I was never his biggest fan before but he seems like a really nice guy & an excellent coach.

goo

I like him as a coach, I still think he's a tiny bit annoying but I do like him way more than I did. And definitely compared to Ken Shamrock, although he made a good point that at the level these guys are at their cardio should be really really good and could be getting more tactical advice and training from the coaches, not just a workout.

FiannaGym.com

I've said onhere before, TITO is meant to be the soundest of all UFC fighters, he spends the longest signing autographs and talks and hangs out with people more than any other fighter, apparently.
Also, apparently, TITO originally started to hate shamrock because he saw shamrock blow off some kid looking for an autograph.

Hopefully Shamrock is sacraficing himself for the future of MMA. The way TUF3 is going everyone who watches it will finally recongnize that mass does not equal fighting ability. So Titos fighters will smash Kens "big tough guys" and people will see that MMA is really a great, skilled sport. I hope.

Bisping looked really good. I "wet" myself laughing when they have subtitles for a native english speaker. I love when they do that.

Peace

Andrew_M

Ken is a joke, his coaching isnt a scratch on Titio's. Fair enough he brought in a good boxing coach, but that other muscle bound fool was a stupid choice, sure ken said himself that he's not that good a jiujitsu, so why the hell didnt he bring in someone who is.

Dont know much about the Sole guy Tito brought in but i did a seminar with Lister, and he was ****-hot, and sound out.

I was a big fan of TUF1 and thought TUF2 was crap, but this season is really good so far, tito was a great choice for a coach. Even my girlfriend thinks its good and so far she's been allergic to UFC, that's all about to change though:D

ninjaburr

Yeah, my girlfiend had an allergy to m.a. for a long time but she loves UFC now!!!This years uf3 is much better but i think you gotta be carefull as regards the fact that the show does have an angle as it is produced by some dude in a studio!!!
That thing with team shamrock all going to the driving range for training smacks of some tv guys idea of smart move!!!They also seem to be setting bisbing up for a showdown with the deaf dude.Would be an interesting fight though.
Bisbing really seems to be coming allong though.Just goes to show the level of training they go through.
I think the two boys in "team daggerrrrrr" really crack me up!!They should have a show of their own.

Dragan

It would seem that Ken's style of coaching is to just let the guys fight as they are and point of the obvious. Even during the fight's Tito is the more obvious and present corner man. To be honest, if i was on his team i would be pretty pissed at Ken but hey, what can you do.

All in all, i like Tito's style of coaching and just the way he treats his guys. He is getting far more effort from them and the reasons why are pretty clear.

Was suprised that Kristian lost as easily as he did. To be honest i think he got hurt early by Bisping and that buckled him for the rest of the fight. Bisping was throwing some big, hard strikes, i wouldn't have liked to have been on the wrong end of em!

goo

I really didn't know who I expected to win that fight, I didn't even know who I was up for but almost as soon as they started I was desperate for Rory to finish him off. I think he definitely deserved it. Solomon looked knackered once the 2nd started and all through the first round Rory did a great job of stuffing the gnp. The kick looked ****, but it doesn't really matter. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the fights and I'd say the finals are going to be brilliant.

The last middleweight qualifier is going to be mouthy Ed against the little fella Danny which is going to be interesting anyway.

There's a strong chance that all four light heavyweights in the semis are going to be from team ortiz.

I went on the TUF website and I think I might have underestimated that shot that knocked Solomon out...



If he meant that as a knee then he's a legend.

dlofnep

bye bye team dagger.

Dragan

The headshot was harsh man. I may be wrong but he looked like he changing levels to shoot and just went straight into it. I wasn't impressed by the blows that followed it up at all, they seemed a little lacking or something!

All in all, i was happy Solomon got beat, i just don't like people who talk ****, especially when it's all done behind someones back.

I can't see Rory getting past the semi's but you'd never know, he deffo has some skills and some new found confidence might sort him out!!!!

Wonder what will happen for the semi's, i'm assuming they will do a split and unless Shammy's guys start winning soon he's gonna end up getting lots of grief from his new fighters!!!

Still not impressed with Shammy, he's been a pretty poor coach plain and simple.

Valmont

Dragan wrote:

I wasn't impressed by the blows that followed it up at all, they seemed a little lacking or something!
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??? doesn't matter if they seemed lacking or not. That kick rocked him, and then two of those blows put him out of it! Did you not see him afterwards? he didn't know what happened! They got the job done, that is what is important, so in that respect they were pretty good! I was off my seat watching him pound his face, it was quite the upset

I can't wait to see Ed Herman fight, he's being hyped up big time! Hope he delivers

goo

There's a big difference between a lucky knockout and a skillful one, that's all he way saying, and he's right, the followup punches were crap but I'm sure the success of the kick surprised him too and it's not like Rory did a bad job, he dealt with Solomon's gnp really well and he was the better athlete.

Dragan

goo wrote:

There's a big difference between a lucky knockout and a skillful one, that's all he way saying, and he's right, the followup punches were crap but I'm sure the success of the kick surprised him too and it's not like Rory did a bad job, he dealt with Solomon's gnp really well and he was the better athlete.

That pretty much exactly what i was saying. The kick was great, and well called by Tito i must add, and yes it floored solomon, but without the effect of the kick, i.e if it had of connected and knocked Solomon, but not "rocked him" i doubt those punches would have put him away, thats all i was saying.

Rory fought a great fight no doubt, i just think he was swinging a bit wild there is all. I can understand he would have been a bit hyper after seeing Solomon go down like though.

Valmont

Dragan wrote:

That pretty much exactly what i was saying. The kick was great, and well called by Tito i must add, and yes it floored solomon, but without the effect of the kick, i.e if it had of connected and knocked Solomon, but not "rocked him" i doubt those punches would have put him away, thats all i was saying.

Fair enough, they definitely would not have finished him had he not been rocked, they certainly put him out though. He did get a little bit lucky the way the kick connected, it was great the way Tito said at the break 'get that high kick' and he just did it, fight over.

I'm starting to feel sorry for Ken Shamrock. I think he has ruined his reputation for many people including myself

Dragan

"What happened, did i win?"

That was the best line. If you can wake up on the mat, surrounded by your team mates and stiff feel you maybe won.....THAT's having belief in yourself man!!!

All in all, yeah, I'm seeing a side of Ken that i didn't think was there, he just really doesn't seem to care about the fighters, or if he does he doesn't seem to feel he can improve them in the time he has to train them, which is crazy!!!!

Bringing in the bodybuilder was a major mistake i think, you can have your nutrition down pat, but his boys are either gassing or just being out worked skill wise.

Tito is playing it clever, saving Ed till as late as he can, because he figures Ed is a contender, so even if Ed does win and Tito loses control, it will either be the last fight, or there will only be one more fight to go so Shammy can't really do a thing right now but hope and pray.

He seems to be too willing to just let the fighters get in there and do there thing, which is silly. He KNOWS about the other fighters, he saw them train, will have seen there tapes and stuff. He should know whats coming.

LAAngel

Hi, I'm really getting into the Ultimate Fighter 3, although some of those guys are so full of themselves its unbelievable. I keep on forgetting their names but that Coach for team Shamrock isn't the best is he? He started fighting and everything to try 'and get his fighters motived'. Yeah getting yourself in the right frame of mind is one thing, but he couldn't even do that properly and again his fighter lost. I like the English guy, he's in there for the right reasons (himself and his family) not on a big ego trip.

And when are they gonna get some girl ulimate fighters?

goo

That was a great episode, I couldn't believe Noah actually left but I guess I've never been in love haha. I was surprised they let him have a letter in the first place, I thought they were supposed to be totally isolated. He wasn't that impressive anyway so it's not like the UFC are missing out on a future champion.

I think people took Matt not using his hands in takedown defence a bit badly, I mean it's a learning experience for both of them and if he's capable of staying on his feet without using his hands then why should he make it easier for himself?

I'm not into bringing people back, I think it's a bad idea. Everyone who went out went out for a reason, like. Does the person who came back go straight into Noah's semi-final spot? Madness. It looked like it was someone from Team Shamrock judging on the clips of people's reactions, which really doesn't make any sense to me. I suppose the most logical would be the guy that Noah eliminated, which is Jesse. It'd be like Noah never happened...

Shame the Tait vs. Josh fight isn't on until next week I was really looking forward to it, guess I'll have to be patient.

fatal

does anyone know for SURE who actually comes back?

Im2Lazy

I hate when shows bring people back !!!!

I don't think it's very fair, unless whoever comes back (Jesse or Kristian) switches to team Ortiz.

I did think they might bring back Solomon as Dana White seemd to be a fan of his but he's in the wrong weight class.

I can't wait for next week, I've been looking forward to seeing Tait fight.

j.griff

i think its solomon that comes back, i also don't think its fair bringing people
back, how does it work do they put names in a hat or does dana pick the
one he likes?

fatal

i hope that it was soloman that came back

Dragan

Noah is an idiot. Plain and simple.

As for how the letter got there, all reality shows that involve "sequester" ( being kept away from any form of contact with the public or your family ) have systems in place whereby a letter can be passed to someone on the show. This is done for emergency purposes, a nominated party has the right to contact a person on the show in the event of a complete emergency. Noah, the fool, obviously put his girlfriend down as this person, so when she sent the "emergency" letter to the producers, they could not open it and had to pass it to Noah on the show.

All the fighters would be aware of this system, but none of them could have known that the envelope left for Noah was one of these, as it hardly looked like a letter that had been sent in the post.

This is why, when the guys found out he got a letter from home, they thought that it was very serious!!! I'm sure the Producers and Dana would have preffered Noah stayed but they could not break show rules to try and make this happen i suppose.

I reckon it will be Jesse who comes back, Noah gave up his spot on the show, he beat Jesse so Jesse is the one who has the right to reclaim it if you would!

Plus the only person who would have the right to complain about anyone coming back is the person who beat them, Noah left so let Jesse have the spot i say!!!

It's fun to see Kens guys getting more and more pissed at him as well. Looking forward to seeing the fight next week. Have seen Josh fight before and he is bit of beast.

damo

Noah - what an idiot, i have nothing but pity for him. Imagine getting soooo close to achieving your dream in life, only to throw it all away over some piece of skirt! He's gonna regret it soooo much (probably already does). Talk about thinking with your penis, another one bites the dust - further proof that women do indeed ruin everything. sigh.

Dragan

The thing is that he was guarnateed at least one fight in the UFC. I would be suprised if someone made it to the semi's and we never saw them again. And even if you want to fight casually it would be nice to be able to buy a UFC DVD and see youself on it!!!

Add to that that it would lend to you getting more cash from the smaller shows!!!

I think it was a rash move on his behalf, but your right, he did seem young and he would not have won it so what can you do!!!!

Dragan

Elytron wrote:

Would he have got at least 1 ufc fight? i didn't know that. hmm. maybe pride will take him!!!! i liked him. he seemed like a nice kid.

I reckon he would have, all he needed was a decent showing in the semi's , win or lose, and i reckon he would have gotten himself at least a UFN fight.

Being on TUF is name recognition, and Dana is smart enough to realise that if you put anyone two people in the cage anything can happen. If Noah has a decent semi and lost, and then got a UFN fight against a TUF1 or 2 dude and won, he would suddenly seem to be legitimate in the eyes of the home market ( Americans!!! ). A few smaller wins and he could have been on the up and up, giving him a slow intro to what it's really like and lots of time and people to train with as well.

But that just me, and i'm not Dana ( thank ****!!! ) but it just seems to make sense to give the Semi guys who perform well, win or lose, at least a UFN fight to see what happens.

Also people can leave TUF and do really well in the smaller shows after a poor showing TUF, look at Lodune Sincade. It would be good leverage should Dana want to bring them back later ( i believed in you from the get go style!!! )

Dragan

Elytron wrote:

ok. so he lost out on a the 2k he'd get from fighting a few ufn fights!!

Yeah, but the bigger picture would be that it would be much easier to get bookings on the smaller shows if he did not want to, or did not have the skills to make it to the "big time".

The more you draw the more you get paid, and at the end of the day, if i found out a guy from TUF was fighting in my town, i might just go to see what he was like! It's all about name recognition, and you either want to be a fighter and be the best you can be or you don't.

Noah basically said that he didn't, on national tv. Maybe not the best way to sell yourself to a public that appreciates heart just as much as skill.

goo

Elytron wrote:

So she accuses him of sleeping with someone while he's in the house? Did they go to strip joints and stuff during the show? I can only assume he didn't. maybe it was a plant to get more female viewers.

Nah, the idea was that while he was in the house someone told her he cheated. They're not allowed go anywhere but train, like, and only got to watch tv for the ufc with Couture v Liddell 3 - that's why they were all going mad in the last episode.

goo

Yeah, Jesse got submitted straight into the semi finals. Good to know there'll be more than one member of Team Shamrock up there.

That fight was good, surprised about the decision but again it looks as if they just mark it on punches.

Tait had good jiu jitsu but he never sank anything until that triangle at the very end, which I think is a bit weird.

Tim_Murphy

Watched the episode yesterday. How can somebody who's on the verge of being choked out when he is saved by the bell win the round? Crazy decision IMO.

Clive

Probably because he got dropped with a right hand just before that, got taken down, spent most of the time on the ground on his back and even had to be stood up by the ref at one stage.

A very disappointing fight I thought.

Tim_Murphy

Disappointing fight alright.

Throwing on a triangle a few seconds after getting dropped negates the right hand IMO. When he was on his back he looked like he might finish the fight, the guy on top did nothing. I don't think you should win a fight purely for being on top.

The guy who won didn't impress me at all, thought he was poor.

Clive

True, true, but most of the judges are coming from a boxing background with maybe some wrestling experience.

I thought the funniest moment was at the start of the first round when Tait closed the distance, got a double neck tie and then ... pulled guard! :eek:

Dragan

Elytron wrote:

The guys are very sensitive aren't they? Very emotional. Lot's of tears and "I'm doing this for my baby boy...". Good to see a bit of heart. But then again, is it a bit over the top?

Interesting point on this actually dude. I was reading a post from Josh ( the Giant SMurf!!! ) on Sherdog about that and he simply said that at that point, he had been interviewed for over an hour about it, and that he finally it get to him and that what they used in the episode.

In his own words "they knew exactly the questions to ask".

On the fight, he simply said that he was ready and expecting the 3rd round, that he was suprised by the descision, but in his own words "would take it, and would have accepted had it gone the other way".

It was a poor showing from Josh, i have seen some other fights of his, and i was suprised by his lack of effectiveness on the ground in this fight.

Tait.... i don;t see the point in being able to submit people if you can't take them down???? Maybe thats just me.

Either way a poor showing from both i think.... i think it may have been one of those fights where they both found there opponent "awkward" to deal with so both look bad?????

Dragan

Elytron wrote:

Thanks aidan for that information. DAMN THOSE EDITORS. bigbro is back on. i wish ultimate fighter was on 24/7 on bravo.

No worries dude!!! I can understand how Josh would have been all emotional, thinking about what that contract could mean for his kid, apparenetly the guys asking the question will really work you up though!!!

Dragan

Danny struck me as being maybe a bit delusional and that was about it. It's a shame he had to fight Ed, who in fairness is pretty decent but i imagine he would have lost to anyone else anyway.

As for Ed, maybe he needs to stop drinking ala Chris Leben????

Damn you Randy Couture for giving the troubled their chance!!!!

Im2Lazy

Anyone else think last nights fight looked more like something you'd see outside a pub rather than in an octagon.

No technique, just a slugfest !!!!

Matt is one tough son of a ..... !
He's like the terminator he just keeps on coming & coming & coming.

He has no submission skills, I'm crap at grappling but I noticed a few times in that fight where he had good position to go for a guillotine & a Rear Naked choke & he didn't even look like he knew what to do in that position.

Didn't see too much of his wrestling skills, obviously because he wanted to keep the fight standing.

Which is probably an example of his wrestling ability in its self as he could control how the fight went as Mike was never going to be able to take him down he was just hoping the Matt would take it to the ground.

I'm calling the finals now :
Light Heavyweights - Matt vs Bisping
Middleweights - Kendall vs Kalib

damo

That fight had the worst standup i can ever remember seeing in any mma bout ever.

fatal

last nights fight was by far the worst so far in this series.......
What was up with mike?he sucked!!!!!!!!!
I know that matt is an olympic class wrestler but he did not take the fight to the ground,which I would have thought favoured mike as he did ju jitsu and street fighting,but it seemed like he threw a punch only when one was thrown at him just for the sake of throwing it......the fight was VERY sloppy overall.....little or no skill was shown by mike

Kendall grove and matt are going to be the winners!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait to see ed herman lose......

goo

That was a shock, really crap. I expected heaps more from Mike, fair enough Matt was injured.

Valmont

damo wrote:

That fight had the worst standup i can ever remember seeing in any mma bout ever.

Lets hope WalshB didn't see it

ninjaburr

jesus, what a terrible fight.There was one good thing though....that eternal question of what happens when the worlds of tattooing and cow wrestling collide has finally been answered.

johnny_adidas

i thought it was a terrible fight also. mike looked like a kid fighting his first fight in a school playground. his punching was terrible.
i have to admit i was impressed by bisbing when he fought but he has to go into the semis as favourite. fair enough matt was injured but how is he planning on finishing a fight, hopefully not with his punching. bisbing is a much more well-rounded fighter and def more interesting to watch.

Dragan

It's kinda obvious that Mike was up to nothing with his punches, and bar a few poor looking attempts to pull guard he did almost nothing.

Being well versed in submissions means nothing if you can't get the guy to the ground, we saw this with the Tait fight as well.

Matt won the fight the second he decided not to bring it to the ground, plain and simple. Sure, it meant his greatest strenght wouldn't be used, but it mean the greatest threat to him was being nutralised.

All said and done though, Matt's strikes didn't exactly look the best either, and he had one or two moments to finish it that he didn't capitilise on.

I'd be curious to see his GnP game, which i suppose will happen when he fights his next match. I would say it will be a different story then, with a far more dominant showing, or at least better than walking into punches etc.