36nl Full house

Hectorjelly

A4s on button - I limp after some other limpers. No reads on the table, im pretty tilted and am down 2 buyins. Probably have a desperate image. The flop is A94r. Chkd to me and I bet 30 into the 30 pot, the cutoff calls. Turn is a 4. Chk, I bet 50, he makes it 100. Whats my best line? I have 350 behind and he covers.

RoundTower

Push and get called by A6.

Lafortezza

RoundTower wrote:

Push and get called by 99

fyp

willis

call and let him hang himself on the river, no need to give the strenght of your hand away with a 3bet, if your beat then so be it. I know your image might be desperado and you might get called if you push but we have postion so use it by flat calling and let him bet the river

NickyOD

I think he will have just an ace or A9 here quite a lot. If he has 99 so be it but either way I think you're better off smooth calling and betting big on the river. He may think he is either good or calling for a split pot especially if the river is a picture card.

Bandana boy

I think you have to call
you 3 bet and he is any good he lays down hands that you beat and calls only when ahead
Call and i think he bets/calls the river

handsfree

i'd say push, if he min raised you he probably has something that could be good enough to call, and as you said you have a desperate table image so this will encourage a call from the villian.

the only thing to worry about is 99 but in saying that i think there would have been a PF raise with that

AmarilloFats

Push now I think.
Alot of cards can spoil(read: limit) your action on the river.
A 3rd flush card. another Ace or 9 if he has a hand like 54.
A call looks very strong here. You're tilting, which is goood, so dump it in and think o' Mags.

I would not put him on 99 or A9, I'd lean towards 54s, but whatever, there is now a flush draw on.

cardshark202

I push. He probably has A9 as I assume he would have raised with 99. If you call here he probably shuts down on the river if he's any good. Pushing may look desperate if they have percieved your table image the way you did. If he won't call a push he probably won't call much on the river so just take any doubts out of your mind and push.

cardshark202

AmarilloFats wrote:

Push now I think.
Alot of cards can spoil(read: limit) your action on the river.
A 3rd flush card. another Ace or 9 if he has a hand like 54.
A call looks very strong here. You're tilting, which is goood, so dump it in and think o' Mags.

I would not put him on 99 or A9, I'd lean towards 54s, but whatever, there is now a flush draw on.

Can't put on him on a 4 because why would he be calling with just bottom pair on the flop. He has either A9 or the other A4(probably).

AmarilloFats

cardshark202 wrote:

Can't put on him on a 4 because why would he be calling with just bottom pair on the flop. He has either A9 or the other A4(probably).

Think you're soooo smart don't ye..

Yeah, asleep in here... HJ bet flop, missed that.

fuzzbox

Hmmmm - CO limps, then chk/call flop, then chk/minraise a total blank turn and you have bottom full. Ouch.

Sure looks like 99, smells like 99, tastes like 99.

Does he check/call the flop with 4x ? Hardly
Does he check/call the flop with AK in the CO ? Hardly
Does he check/call the flop with A9 in the CO ? hmmmm maybe
Does he check/call the flop in the CO with A4? Hardly
He doesnt have 44, but does he have AA? ..... its possible but unlikely.
99 limps in the CO, 99 might check the drawless board to hope to catch a tilty dude with an Ace, 99 might then call and check the turn, once more inducing a bet from Mr. Ace, only to put forth his devious plan to MINRAISE.

I cant see what he does this with other than 99 or AA.

Still - I call here, and if he lamps the river I might find a fold. Is he any good?

I should probably fold, but I suck really.

handsfree

fuzzbox wrote:

I should probably fold, but I suck really.

Well i think your good so stop putting yourself down because its really beginning to wreck my head.

spectre

fuzzbox wrote:

Does he check/call the flop with 4x ? Hardly

I don't see how the villain couldn't have 45s. HJ appears to be tilting, he's on the button, and the flop was checked to him, he is likely to bet here with nothing. If the CO has 45 here a check/call looks about right. He may have intended to bet a blank turn, only to find another 4 which would make a check raise a better plan.

It's the minraise that I'd be worried about though. However I can't see the CO limping with 99 after other limpers or AA for that matter.

I'm saying 45.

fuzzbox

spectre wrote:

I don't see how the villain couldn't have 45s. HJ appears to be tilting, he's on the button, and the flop was checked to him, he is likely to bet here with nothing. If the CO has 45 here a check/call looks about right. He may have intended to bet a blank turn, only to find another 4 which would make a check raise a better plan.

It's the minraise that I'd be worried about though. However I can't see the CO limping with 99 after other limpers or AA for that matter.

I'm saying 45.

Why would he CHECK in the CUTOFF with 45 ... instead of bet? Then why would he call?

I dont buy it.

Hectorjelly

Fuzzbox has it exactly right, this is 99 about 99% of the time, at this level the player is playing it EXACTLY the way a typical 3/6 donk plays big hands. Firstly, set, check call on flop. Then if you have a house/st8 etc you must min raise the turn. Dont ask me why. Of course theres always a small chance he has some other hand containing a 4 (or AA) but its unlikely.

Anyway I called the turn and unfortunatlely for the telling of this story the river was a 4. We got all in and my quads won. I think allthough I knew he had 99 I was going broke on the river, playing my best I would of folded the turn.

Loads of people at this level will limp JJ TT 99 AQ and so on, so you cant rule any of them out. AA is unlikely since there was other limpers, but ive seen it done.

NickyOD

It's interesting that this is 99 a higher % of the time at 3/6 than lower stakes. At 1/2 on UB I would see this play with a much wider range including A-2o.

Lafortezza

I called 99 first, fuzzbox just copied me.

fuzzbox

lafortezza wrote:

I called 99 first, fuzzbox just copied me.

Yeah, but nobody pays attention to you