trying ti understand the weekend online player

Bandana boy

Over the last 3 weekends i have had my BR destroyed

There have been a few bad decisions and i possibly played a couple of marginal hands to aggressive but the real damage has been calls out of left field by players i can only describe as weekend players.

The type of calls you cant understand, Rag ace or worse K high no pair no draw for all there chips on the flop or turn 30-50% of there stack pre with pairs under 9 etc

This is not the first time I have run into weekend bad beats that have put me on tilt so i have been watching and i tend to play a tighter game at the weekend
My weekend play over the 3 weekends has been VPIP 17-20 (i would usely be a closer to 25-30)

so i dont think i am playing to loose

But what i am trying to understand is how to beat these players and what there mentality is
Are the treating the game as a type of roulette ?
Pick a hand and throw your money in and i have just been unlucky
They do seem to rapidly give there money to somebody else

what brings them on line
are they normally good players who are drunk or high

Should i just avoid weekends in future ?

ianmc38

Bandana boy wrote:

Over the last 3 weekends i have had my BR destroyed

There have been a few bad decisions and i possibly played a couple of marginal hands to aggressive but the real damage has been calls out of left field by players i can only describe as weekend players.

The type of calls you cant understand, Rag ace or worse K high no pair no draw for all there chips on the flop or turn 30-50% of there stack pre with pairs under 9 etc

This is not the first time I have run into weekend bad beats that have put me on tilt so i have been watching and i tend to play a tighter game at the weekend
My weekend play over the 3 weekends has been VPIP 17-20 (i would usely be a closer to 25-30)

so i dont think i am playing to loose

But what i am trying to understand is how to beat these players and what there mentality is
Are the treating the game as a type of roulette ?
Pick a hand and throw your money in and i have just been unlucky
They do seem to rapidly give there money to somebody else

what brings them on line
are they normally good players who are drunk or high

Should i just avoid weekends in future ?

Are you joking.

Steps:
1. Reload
2. Right click -> add to buddy list.
3. Find at all available opportunites
4. Repeat

Bandana boy

This is exactly how my BR 3K has got destroyed at 1-2 on ppp
This Sunday in particular did not win a showdown despite several occasions where depspite not actually having a made hand yet i was 80%+ fav to win and 90%+ fav to win or draw and i kept getting beat
the calls in these situations where completely ludacris
My fav been KJos check calling for 90 (all his stack) into 45 pot on 8 high two club board against AKclubs

Do in need more than 15 buy ins (25 as i usually buy in for 120 ) against this kind of variance ?

ianmc38

If you're still playing 1/2 why do you bother buying in for 120? That's a -EV move to begin with.

As much as I've encountered variance, I still havn't had a losing week at 1/2 since I started playing those levels. I find it hard to believe you've lost 3k in bad beats. Sounds like some bad beats with a sprinkle of tilt and a pinch of donking.

fuzzbox

I'm with Ian.
It cant all be bad beats ... surely you impaled yourself on the sword of a set more than a few times???

Perhaps you overbet your draws + one pair hands, and underbet your big hands????

Hard to tell really.

Bandana boy

It wasnt all bad beats
I defo ran into a couple of sets lately and as i mention i played some of my marginal hands very aggresive and came out the wrong side
I dont think anyone can accuse me of underbetting any big hands recently
But seriously I can post the hands the majority of this 3k disappeared against nuts calls from unknown players
Sure you get a guy who pays bad odds to hit his flush or straight
and thats annoying but these work out for you in the long term you catch them again
i see these players all the time (some of them post on this site )

but these weekend players i have never seen before and they make calls that I can not comphrend
there behind a stone cold bluff
I reload but they lose it all to someother player who promptly shuts up shop and leaves.
Then i run into another nut job and the cycle repeats
who are these people and what is there agenda they are obviously not making money

I can only suppose they support some weird chaos theory

ianmc38

Bandana boy wrote:

Sure you get a guy who pays bad odds to hit his flush or straight
and thats annoying

I know the type. Kind that pay 3-1 with a flush draw and no implied odds on the turn or is it :mad:

edit: Over the head obviously. Kh7h? Ding ding.

Bandana boy wrote:

i see these players all the time (some of them post on this site )

yeah that HJ lad is a total fish!

ditpoker

ianmc38 wrote:

If you're still playing 1/2 why do you bother buying in for 120? That's a -EV move to begin with.

how much should you sit down with into a 1/2 game? 100? 200? not a frequent cash game player so a little unsure....

ianmc38

ditpoker wrote:

how much should you sit down with into a 1/2 game? 100? 200? not a frequent cash game player so a little unsure....

In online play at 1/2 you should buy-in for the max possible. On Tribeca and most other sites it's $200.

When playing live I usually start with €200 but will often buy in for more if I see a fishy with lots of cash in front of him.

Lafortezza

15 buy-ins on a high variance site like PPP is asking for trouble.

Bandana boy

90% of the time i sit with $120 on Trib but thats because the majority of the time thats more than 4 of the 5 other players (i only play 6 max)
If i see a table with a couple of looses guys with 200+ i will buy in for the 200

Yeah players who pay 3-1 with no implied odds and often 4-1 with only J high (not looking at you HJ) i know i should like these guys but i am not sure

fuzzbox

lafortezza wrote:

15 buy-ins on a high variance site like PPP is asking for trouble.

Really ...... I disagree.

Losing 15 Buy ins at 1/2 means that there is something wrong other than luck.

Lafortezza

fuzzbox wrote:

Really ...... I disagree.

Losing 15 Buy ins at 1/2 means that there is something wrong other than luck.

Think you misunderstood me, I agree that if you lose 15 buy-ins in one weekend there's more than likely something wrong with your approach to the game, you're making big mistakes, tilting etc etc

If Bandana Boy had 30+ buy-ins at least it gives him a chance to stop after the 15 buy-ins were lost, or drop down in levels to ease the pressure. Dropping the 15 buy-ins is probably a combination of playing bad and running bad, and it's easy enough to reduce the impact of running bad by having a large bankroll.

myflipflops

i think everyone has gone through that period of everything going against you (or appearing to anyway). i have a tendency to stop playing for a week or 2 when this happens (obviously if ur a pro this isn't really an option) and coming back to the tables when my head is in a better shape. also, if you've a friend who knows how to play the game at a high level, get his opinion on your current play. he should be able to tell you honestly if your tilting or whatever. PPP 1/2 is a very profitable but at times unbelievably frustrating level to play at.

RoundTower

Probably you, like many players on this forum, play better against good players. You should move up to higher stakes and play during the day. If you notice people playing badly there, simply make a note and try to avoid their tables.

5starpool

miaow

accensi0n

RoundTower wrote:

Probably you, like many players on this forum, play better against good players. You should move up to higher stakes and play during the day. If you notice people playing badly there, simply make a note and try to avoid their tables.

no need to be like that now.

ntlbell

RoundTower wrote:

Probably you, like many players on this forum, play better against good players. You should move up to higher stakes and play during the day. If you notice people playing badly there, simply make a note and try to avoid their tables.

You can be a real condescending ar$ehole at times.

Lafortezza

Back on topic, no more insults, take it easy on the new players please.

fixer

A recent blog from Felicia titled Learn to Think Like a Fish

http://felicialee1.livejournal.com/90777.html

...Okay, so now that you've put yourself inside the head of a new, loose player who caught a miracle runner-runner to suck out on you, how can you really be angry and upset? How can you steam and tilt? How can you scream at him about what a fish he is and 'how could he make that call?'

You can't. If you really, truly got into his head, you would understand what HE is thinking, and why you want him at your table, all day, every day. Especially if he is so easygoing and happy-go-lucky as this guy.

Don't chase your fish away. Don't make them play better against you. Don't hurt their feelings or yell at them. I'm not saying you have to lie and tap the table and say, "Good hand!" I'm not going to go that far. But at this point if you are truly angry and upset, you are the one with the problem, not the fish.

Be a man. Just buck up and smile. Think of this guy as someone you just made a short term loan to, with very high interest. And if he stands up to leave before you can get your loan repaid, then look at any one of the many fish still at your table, who will happily contribute to paying back your loan. Smile and be polite. Make it your duty to be a winner every day, whether you lose your stack, or take home thousands.
...

marius

fixer wrote:

A recent blog from Felicia titled Learn to Think Like a Fish

http://felicialee1.livejournal.com/90777.html

...Okay, so now that you've put yourself inside the head of a new, loose player who caught a miracle runner-runner to suck out on you, how can you really be angry and upset? How can you steam and tilt? How can you scream at him about what a fish he is and 'how could he make that call?'

You can't. If you really, truly got into his head, you would understand what HE is thinking, and why you want him at your table, all day, every day. Especially if he is so easygoing and happy-go-lucky as this guy.

Don't chase your fish away. Don't make them play better against you. Don't hurt their feelings or yell at them. I'm not saying you have to lie and tap the table and say, "Good hand!" I'm not going to go that far. But at this point if you are truly angry and upset, you are the one with the problem, not the fish.

Be a man. Just buck up and smile. Think of this guy as someone you just made a short term loan to, with very high interest. And if he stands up to leave before you can get your loan repaid, then look at any one of the many fish still at your table, who will happily contribute to paying back your loan. Smile and be polite. Make it your duty to be a winner every day, whether you lose your stack, or take home thousands.
...

= my sig.

If you are getting bad beats you are playing well - you are reading the situation correctly and getting your money in when you are ahead.
Tilt is the killer - not Bad Beats...

Hectorjelly

Bandana boy wrote:

Yeah players who pay 3-1 with no implied odds and often 4-1 with only J high (not looking at you HJ)

ianmc38 wrote:

yeah that HJ lad is a total fish!

Did I miss something?

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

Probably you, like many players on this forum, play better against good players. You should move up to higher stakes and play during the day. If you notice people playing badly there, simply make a note and try to avoid their tables.

Good advice. If you can't beat play money, you can sure as hell beat the 50-100 games on UB.

Ste05

Good article there. Not sure about her example though, if you steam or Tilt after having your (unmiproved) AA outdrawn in an 8-way Fixed Limit Pot, then really you need to find a new game.

I liked this part though, makes perfect sense to me:

"When he (the winning fish) is shown the aces (by the alleged "Good Player") and the two pair (by the losing fish), he doesn't think about how he outran the raiser. He doesn't think he "outplayed" him. He doesn't think he sucked out or any other emotion. His adrenaline is just pumping with one single thought, "I won, I won!" While the tight raiser sits steaming, (LOL - get over it!!!) and the MP player with two pair shakes his head mumbling about rivering two pair and still getting beat, the big blind fish is just ecstatic and piling up his chips. He has a big, goofy, ear-to-ear grin. Sometimes he hears players grumbling about his bad play, but he can't really understand why, because he DID make the straight, didn't he? That means he MUST be doing something right. He didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, but this is poker, right? You're supposed to "play to win." That is what everyone has told him."

(Bracketed bits are my additions)

myflipflops

Ste05 wrote:

Good article there. Not sure about her example though, if you steam or Tilt after having your (unmiproved) AA outdrawn in an 8-way Fixed Limit Pot, then really you need to find a new game.QUOTE]


that's brilliant, as i was reading this post my u****roved AA got outdrawn by Q6o in a limit holdem tourney on PPP in a pot that was 9 handed to the flop. thats serious karma right there!!!

Ste05

pwhite587 wrote:

that's brilliant, as i was reading this post my u****roved AA got outdrawn by Q6o in a limit holdem tourney on PPP in a pot that was 9 handed to the flop. thats serious karma right there!!!

LOL Steaming and about to Tilt I hope...:D

EDIT: BTW Why is "n i m p" such a bad word??