Chi....or Cheese??

john kavanagh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-x4iJM2aU4&search=dillman

does anybody really believe this cr@p anymore?

the scramble to come up with reasons why it didn't work on the skeptic (those pesky 'question-asking-critical-thinking' skeptics!) at the end is pathetic. yeah its because his tongue was in the wrong place:rolleyes:

mikeruurds

*cough*...bullsh1t

Chi balls my a$$.

I can't believe that phonies like these get so many people to believe their hype. The best is the whole "One toe up and one toe down" + "His tongue must have been in the wrong position in his mouth" hypotheses.

Give me a break!

yomchi

I had a Ninjitsu guy try somethin like that on me before, I was the pesking critique. To be honest he knocked me off balance and I felt kind of dizzy for a minute, nothing major but I felt something!

mikeruurds

I'm no psychologist or master of the mysterious black arts I believe that if you are willing to believe it and are open to suggestion then something will probably happen to you when you are exposed to this type of thing.

Suggestion is a powerful thing.

But then again I could be wrong... it's only my opinion

Mike

damo

haha

What a fat ass fraud - id love to see dillman vs some drunken scumbag at 3am outside supermcs on o'connell st.


Isnt it amazing that people are so stupid that they can convince themselves that this garbage is real and actually make themselves fall over? The power of suggestion is a very powerful thing when used on idiots.

john kavanagh

Jon wrote:

I had a Ninjitsu guy try somethin like that on me before, I was the pesking critique. To be honest he knocked me off balance and I felt kind of dizzy for a minute, nothing major but I felt something!

no touch? if so then you must be very open to suggestion. if it involved you standing very still then him cracking you in the jaw, well that'd be different:D

yomchi

john kavanagh wrote:

no touch? if so then you must be very open to suggestion. if it involved you standing very still then him cracking you in the jaw, well that'd be different:D

Yeh straight up! No touch, I told him it was rubbish and he tried it, he moved his hand in front of me in a diagonal manner from top to bottom. For a second or 2 I felt a little dizzy, and more shocked that I felt it to be honest.

Maybe I am open to it, I don't think I am. It wouldn't stop me kickin his ass though

Scramble

I think this stuff is interesting, but not from any kind of martial arts perspective.

It really highlights two things: First, the power of suggestion, and how the body and mind will play tricks on people in this kind of environment. Secondly, it shows how many people out there desperately want to believe in this type of thing, on some level.

Then again, pseudoscience and mysticism are very much making a comeback. Homeopathic medicines, crystals, new age healing, angelology .... all big business these days.

Lots of interesting reading on this topic at http://www.randi.org/

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The other thing I had in mind while watching the clip John posted is that the most impressive display I've ever seen of this brand of mystical chi stuff actually came from a non-martial artist: The magician, Derren Brown.

View it here (some of the content in the sidebars on this screen is not work-safe, by the way...)

As Brown says, it's "in the mind".

john kavanagh

Jon wrote:

Maybe I am open to it

not maybe, defineatly. if that guy really had supernatural powers not only could he win Randi.org million dollar prize but he'd change the way we look at the world. this would completely change the world of physics and propel him to instant stardom....but as none of it is real and is just people open to suggestion conning themselves the prize is safe haha

yes derren browne is amazing. he has the best 'cold reading' technique i've ever seen.

Andrew_M

I've been calling it Cheese for years:D , what a load of crap, that kind of rubbish drives me bananas:eek:

I pity anyone who believes this stuff, it's just another way for useless instructors to rip-off their students

TapouT

You should see what my wife can do with just one look!.

Even Chuck Norris is terrified of my wifes death stare!.

Celticfire

Can I get those chi balls with sweet and sour sauce and chips? :rolleyes:

Colm_OReilly

When two people meet who have incongruent/conflicting belief systems or realities one of two things happen.

1) The weaker person's belief systems gives way to that of the superior person's beliefs and they enter "their reality".

2) The two can't coexist on that level and leave each others realities.

yomchi

john kavanagh wrote:

not maybe, defineatly. if that guy really had supernatural powers not only could he win Randi.org million dollar prize but he'd change the way we look at the world. this would completely change the world of physics and propel him to instant stardom....but as none of it is real and is just people open to suggestion conning themselves the prize is safe haha

yes derren browne is amazing. he has the best 'cold reading' technique i've ever seen.

Im sending you a chi ball right now.. beware

Baggio...

Hah! Dilman... I've seen his stuff before. He's a total arse, and a complete con man. I did some research on that git after I saw the documentary. Apparently he never trained as a professional boxer or taught Bruce or Muhammad. Clever scheme he's got going though. Even if you don't' believe in that crap a lot of guys will pay him cash just to check it out. I'd love to see that pile of blubber knocked senseless at one of his “Chi” seminars while trying to stop a right hook.

Har-uuuucan!!!!!!:D

Musashi

The best "No-Touch" knockout I've ever seen was performed by a student of Bruce Lee!
He knocked a much larger guy flat on his ass without touching him at all!

Check out "The Hunter" starring Steve McQueen, his sand bag launcher was years ahead of its time!

waterford mma

that was great. . i remember at ralph gracies seminar in galway there was a group of guys from some ninjitsu club attending, and one of them told me their pressure points don't work in grappling coz there is too much contact, that the pressure point ko has to be an isolated touch, i.e if any other part of you (convieniently apart from your feet) is touching him or the floor your body won't pay attention to the finger he's poking you in the chin with. .

i wonder does dillman have a reversal for the toe wiggle counter, maybe if he wiggled his toes too . . . :rolleyes: its a bit complicated for me


*goes back to drilling eye gouges*

ShaneT

Idiots like this REALLY pi$$ me off. I've trained for years. I train in full contact karate to this day. Then, this IDIOT gets people all worked up over his IDIOTIC claims, leaving people with a bad "Karate is rubbish" taste in their mouths! :mad: And understandably so with pratts like this on the planet! ...Git..!!!




Does the body contain "electrical energy" that the chinese call Chi? Yes.

Is Chi a "supernatural mystical force"? No. It's just electrical energy, nothing more. Nothing less.

Can this GIMP ball it up and bung it at someone like an invisible coconut? No.

Do people make rediculous claims concerning their ability to manipulate their body's electrical engergy? YES.

Can they manipulate it? It's never been proven. But hey... ...anything's possible.

Should this idiot be put to death... ...painfully... ...at the hands of a Chi ball wielding mob? God... yes... please yes...!

SMALL POINT:

This is NOT karate. Chi, is a chinese concept and Karate is a Japanese system (yes, it was developed from chinese systems, but calling karate a chinese art would be like calling BJJ, "Judo") and this twit is getting his 8th Dan wires crossed before he even starts.

Karate (particularly its full contact variants) is a PHYSICALLY demanding striking skill/art in the same way that BJJ is a grappling skill/art. To see it downgraded by morons into some sort of Wing Wong Chop Suey supernatural pile of $HITE gets my goat.... :rolleyes:

...and my goat is not easily got... ...if you get my meaning.

Wooohooo!!! My first EVER total rant in a forum! I feel liberated!

-Shane.

dent

I was just waiting for the crowd to shout "Praise Jesus". The sad thing his students believe in it so much they might try it in a actual fight.

pma-ire

Dillman Karate International, among others in the Kyusho world, have thrown themselves into this fairytale world.

The Kyusho group I am with focus on reality and do not go for this BS. Not all points cause KO's (there are very few infact that do), and even then it will depend on the person being hit as to the amount of reaction shown.

But in all cases strikes a predictable physical motion due to the strike can be traced which can be used to drill somewhat consistant responces to attacks with open variety in a semi-free and free sparring environment.

Though Dillman did bring Kyusho to the main public notice. It was another 2 men called Sieyu Oyata and Hohan Soken that brought this to the USA and Dillman attended the seminars while also trained with Oyata gaining a blackbelt of disputed degrees. With this, Dillman then started to self promote his Dillman Karate International. Moving into the No Touch KO stuff is really only a marketing ploy by the DKI as is much of everything else that they do. While charging crazy prices for seminars.

With his hard sell promotion, Dillman has linked himself directly with the name Kyusho Jitsu or pressure points. Be this good or bad, this part or the Martial Arts must be taken in context, which must lead to teachings and research of other practicioners of this aspect to the martial arts.

pma-ire

ShaneT wrote:

SMALL POINT:

This is NOT karate. Chi, is a chinese concept and Karate is a Japanese system (yes, it was developed from chinese systems, but calling karate a chinese art would be like calling BJJ, "Judo") and this twit is getting his 8th Dan wires crossed before he even starts.

Shane while I agree with most of your points. A whole island of Okinawans might disagree with this one!!

The art of Te was developed there and then re-named Karate and exported to Japan mainly by Funagoshi. There Shotokan Karate was born, which became a much different monster even in Funagoshi's time against his will.

The idea of Chi is not just Chinese but an asian notion. Called Ki in Korean and Japanese. The concept is used in Karate and TKD training as a reflection of those cultures.

Dragan

If you look over the clip again you can see one or two instances of doubt in his own abilities, which i find to be very amusing. He uses the term "someone who receives" chi , i think twice, over the course of the video. From a psychological point of view he is already setting up an excuse why it may not work, which does not bode well for the strenght of his own belief.

My Dad was watching a similar show on Discovery Channel while i was home over Christmas and i think a quote from him will some it up quite nicely.

"If you believe someone will knock you out at least make them hit you to do it."

It's one thing to be proven physical weaker than someone in a combat situation, but mentally ( i.e the fact that they think they are getting knocked out ) and spiritually ( which is what they believe is actually happening ) is pretty ridiculous.

Besides, if Chi worked then i wouldn't have had to move to get the remote control that time.

ShaneT

pma-ire wrote:

The art of Te was developed there and then re-named Karate and exported to Japan mainly by Funagoshi. There Shotokan Karate was born, which became a much different monster even in Funagoshi's time against his will.

The idea of Chi is not just Chinese but an asian notion. Called Ki in Korean and Japanese. The concept is used in Karate and TKD training as a reflection of those cultures.

Hi PMA. We are, in fact, agreeing with eachother. The concept of "internal energy" was most likely asian in origin. It is known in chinese as "chi" and in japanese as "ki". However, in this clip - it is referred to as "chi" (chinese) not "ki" (japanese).

That said, most japanese exponents would consider that "Ki" and "Chi" are not only different in name - but different in nature.

Of course, your understanding of the historical development of Karate is spot on.

-Shane.

pma-ire

ShaneT wrote:

Hi PMA. We are, in fact, agreeing with eachother. The concept of "engergy" is asian. It is known in chinese as "chi" and in japanese as "ki". However, in this clip - it is referred to as "chi" (chinese) not "ki" (japanese).

That said, most japanese exponents would consider that "Ki" and "Chi" are not only different in name - but different in nature.

Of course, your understanding of the historical development of Karate is spot on.

-Shane.

The Japanese word KI can cross over into all uses of the word "energy". So we agree!! Dillman is a nut case!! (a very rich one! But a nutcase all the same!! )

Thing is any publicity is good publicity!!

So he gets his face out there be it good or bad and he increases his profile with the general public!! He is a master of that! And I have heard that from people who have been close to him for many years!!

dlofnep

If I must be blunt, it's a crock of ****.

Cabelo

Anyone know why boards is slower than usual lately?

I used my chi to slow down the irish internetz!

Use chi.boards.ie to make this forum go faster Get Chi noticed until admins ask us why we're using it.

GalwayorBust

The chi attack worked on my once. The guru tried it, I started laughing so hard that I fell over. Sign him up to be tested we will see if it works.

:rolleyes: