Airsoft Ireland

Jaoibh

I dont know how many people in here have played this before. But Airsoft is in nearly every other EU country. It falls into the category of Paintball only you dont have to use the big bulky Paintball rifles. You can choose your own personal AEG gas powered rifle and customise your weapon to your own personal specifications. Which means for example if you would like to be a heavy weapons person you can carry the GPMG lay down cover fire as your assault team move in and destroy the enemy also you prefer a sniper rifle you have that option.

Now that you know what airsoft is. Myself and a few others are going to try and start an airsoft arena in ireland as far as we can see it will be the first.
my Goal here is to see how many people have an interest in competing you will need to build a team and this isnt going to happen over night. but eventually we will be looking for airsoft to be as successful as paintball has been.

Thanks for your time

Dave, Wayne and Tony - Airsoft Ireland

Clare gunner

I t is a good idea except for a few problems;
Because of the actual looks of the guns,they look like the real thing,they will be greeted with the "idonlikedelookodat"by most local superintendants.Plus if freely available every gurrier will be buying one for the next PO blag,which has already happened.They might escape liscensing under the new firearms amendments under the CJB on their low velocity,but be sure there will be accidents again by parents buying them for their kids and thinking them as "toys",and teenage twits thinking they are East LA gangbangers walking around with them stuck in the waistband.All it will need is a nervous SB to draw and shoot dead somone ,and watch the hue and cry.

The situation of platoons of cammoed up lads waving around full auto replicas,[even though we know that they are not]and performing military style small unit tactics will get negative press coverage,as it did in the UK when it started up,and proably unwelcome Garda attention,as they will proably think it is"subversives" training for whatever.:rolleyes: Paintball had the same problem when it first started up here.

It's worth a try,but expect problems put in your way.

Jaoibh

Thanks very much for your input.
Our general Idea is to become the main supplier in Ireland registering All airsoft equipment. The General idea is not make it hard for a Child or to get a hold of it. Our plans are simple We give the owner the option if they wish us to hold onto their weapon in a secure location. This keeps it out of the persons home if they have children or other fears. The point in Airsoft Ireland is for military Games. If you want to practice we will have the proper Arena's to practice. We have looked it up everywhere and these weapons cant be modified to fire real bullets. There is no reason Airsoft can not be made legal in this country if it is used as a sport. Sale of this Airsoft equipment will not be sold to anyone under the age of 18 if a parent buys this equipment its registered to them. They will be held responsible which should keep the GS happy. We hope!

Clare gunner

Ok,your next problem is going to be if you want to do secure storage,it will mean building a pretty big warehouse[?] with all the specs of a real gunshop alarm system and then be subject to the rigours of all the law relating to storing real firearms.A pretty expensive situation for storing in reality toy guns.
Next problem is the age thing.Ok you wont sell to somone under 18.What happens if they send in their big brother,dad or whatever to buy it???They give it to junior,jnr goes out and acts the bollix with it?What then?Who is responsible,ultimately the blame will be pushed back on you.If it is registerd to the senior,it will have to be a firearms type cert,and you will have to have statute power to enforce this.Then you have killed the idea,as it will be then a firearm and with it it will bring all the related hassle of owning a real gun.So you lose out there again.

Indeed none of the guns cant fire live ammo.But remember people go by LOOKS here,not by reason.Hence we have difficulty getting REAL semi auto rifles here as liscensed shooters.Put it like this,if somone hoodied gurrier shoves a replica uzi under some ol dears nose in a post office blag.Is she going to know the difference between real or fake? So scumbag tries to bluff his way out by waving it at the gardai,gardai shoot scumbag.Gun is found to be fake,greiving next of kin blame Gardai and seller of fake gun,lawyers rub hands and sue your ass!So are the gaurds going to allow somthing that looks really realistic be freely sold ?I doubt it very much.

Again the military thing.Remember what has been going on here for 30plus years.We[the people and govt] are still too paranoid about "armed "bodies of people drilling openly or covertly.Eventhough it is just a harmless bunch of people playing soilders.Not to mind there still too many armed paras and criminals with the real stuff knocking around.

Look,I dont want to sound negative about this,but it is fraught with difficulties here in Ireland.I looked at this years ago with paintball,so I doubt the attitude has changed much[ as most things firearms related ].It comes down to the fact that we have had a war situation for too long here,the wrong type of people have guns here,and the right type are discriminated against,we have a police force that isnt too up with the latest firearms types,or shooting fads.We have a pouplation whothinks if it doesnt go BANG it is a harmless kids toy,and give it to the kids,and they go and shoot other kids eyes out,or pop windshields on the M50.I would suggest that you wait until we know more on the CJB wether the airsoft will be off the ticket or not.
If so great,and then proceed softly softly.All we need is somthing stupid to happen with a "full auto weapon" and a member of a "quasi rambo paramilitary training camp"as the press would so nicely put it.

skibum

You will also have an insurance issue. Third party insurance to cover you from claims when a stray pellet takes some one's eye out, whether they are palying, spectating or in the area. Or when they are running like a bat out of hell trying to take someone out and stumble breaking an ankle.
The are will have to be enclosed, preferably by some type of debris netting (Like the stuff they tie to scaffolding on building sites)
Whoes land will you be playing on? The land owner could be liabiable for claims as well.

You WILL get a lot of attention from the Gardai, and as already mentioned the logistics of sorting and handling these rifles is a pain in the arse.

A few years ago I looked into importing paint gun's and the red tape was a nightmare. There were so many different departments involved and the time involved just dragged out.

Jaoibh

Clare gunner wrote:

Ok,your next problem is going to be if you want to do secure storage,it will mean building a pretty big warehouse[?] with all the specs of a real gunshop alarm system and then be subject to the rigours of all the law relating to storing real firearms.A pretty expensive situation for storing in reality toy guns..

This Part we have thought through and shouldnt be a problem. Our Armory should pass any garda test.

Clare gunner wrote:

Next problem is the age thing.Ok you wont sell to somone under 18.What happens if they send in their big brother,dad or whatever to buy it???They give it to junior,jnr goes out and acts the bollix with it?What then?Who is responsible,ultimately the blame will be pushed back on you.If it is registerd to the senior,it will have to be a firearms type cert,and you will have to have statute power to enforce this.Then you have killed the idea,as it will be then a firearm and with it it will bring all the related hassle of owning a real gun.

This Falls into the same Category as a real gun Licence. We had hoped to avoid painting the rifles but it looks like there is no other way around it. We need to have the orange Tip. If it happens that someone is to hold up a bank with one of these rifles we will have on record all weapons sold and where they are. Once they leave the Compound its the same as owning a shotgun if its stolen you report it stolen the person who sold the shotgun in the first place is not who's at fault. We also read an article about a group in america that painted real machine guns with Orange tips to fool police and an officer died. The way we look at it is if you rob a bank with a gun replica or any other it doesnt matter you deserve what you get if a police officer shoots a robber and it turns out he was holding a replica there was no way for him to know for definite. If the weapon was reported stolen they gardai would have the model the type any modifications on file straight away. they will have a good idea if its fake or not. This we can supply to the GS very quickly.

Clare gunner wrote:

Indeed none of the guns cant fire live ammo.But remember people go by LOOKS here,not by reason.Hence we have difficulty getting REAL semi auto rifles here as liscensed shooters.Put it like this,if somone hoodied gurrier shoves a replica uzi under some ol dears nose in a post office blag.Is she going to know the difference between real or fake? So scumbag tries to bluff his way out by waving it at the gardai,gardai shoot scumbag.Gun is found to be fake,greiving next of kin blame Gardai and seller of fake gun,lawyers rub hands and sue your ass!So are the gaurds going to allow somthing that looks really realistic be freely sold ?

I answered this part above. But as I'm trying to stress I have no intentions of letting an airsoft rifle end up in the hands of a scumbag. And there's no stopping this type of thing happening at the moment Airsoft Rifles are easily gotten they make it through customs every day. We only want to supply them to people who will use them responsibly in a safe enviornment with safety equipment.

Clare gunner wrote:

Again the military thing.Remember what has been going on here for 30plus years.We[the people and govt] are still too paranoid about "armed "bodies of people drilling openly or covertly.Eventhough it is just a harmless bunch of people playing soilders.Not to mind there still too many armed paras and criminals with the real stuff knocking around.

We dont see this being an issue the main people we expect to get into airsoft will be Reserve Army. We will invite the Gardai to join us for the first few games or even train with us to see that this is by no means Paramilitary related. Terrorism is a thing of the past in the republic we intend to keep it that way. And Airsoft is legal and free to play up the north at the moment.

Clare gunner wrote:

Look,I dont want to sound negative about this,but it is fraught with difficulties here in Ireland.I looked at this years ago with paintball,so I doubt the attitude has changed much[ as most things firearms related ].It comes down to the fact that we have had a war situation for too long here,the wrong type of people have guns here,and the right type are discriminated against,we have a police force that isnt too up with the latest firearms types,or shooting fads.We have a pouplation whothinks if it doesnt go BANG it is a harmless kids toy,and give it to the kids,and they go and shoot other kids eyes out,or pop windshields on the M50.I would suggest that you wait until we know more on the CJB wether the airsoft will be off the ticket or not.

there is nothing negative about any of this. You are helping me see exactly what we are up against. I expect to see a hundred petitions against Airsoft and I am going to answer every single one of them. This will be a hard road and we will more than likely have to change or amend some gun law to make it happen and hopefully with the publics support we can make it legal and have as much fun and profitable with it as possible.

Clare gunner wrote:

If so great,and then proceed softly softly.All we need is somthing stupid to happen with a "full auto weapon" and a member of a "quasi rambo paramilitary training camp"as the press would so nicely put it.

I will heed your warning and thank you again for your input anything you think of post it. If your not happy with any of my answers post it and I'll speak to the other lads and get them to draft a reply. Airsoft is in the future and we are going to make it happen with everyones support I hope.

Thanks again
Dave, Wayne and Tony
Airsoft Ireland

Jaoibh

skibum wrote:

You will also have an insurance issue. Third party insurance to cover you from claims when a stray pellet takes some one's eye out, whether they are palying, spectating or in the area. Or when they are running like a bat out of hell trying to take someone out and stumble breaking an ankle.

Your correct insurance is going to be a disaster but we have calculated for it and hopefully it will be in the same price as it is for Paint ball.

skibum wrote:

The are will have to be enclosed, preferably by some type of debris netting (Like the stuff they tie to scaffolding on building sites)
Whoes land will you be playing on? The land owner could be liabiable for claims as well.

We plan on purchasing the land ourselves because then we can build structures on it and the armory

skibum wrote:

You WILL get a lot of attention from the Gardai, and as already mentioned the logistics of sorting and handling these rifles is a pain in the arse.

Yes we will get the attention of the Gardai but we are well able to deal with it none of us are planning on doing anything illegal we have no criminal records there is no reason they should effect us as long as we get it passed in the first place.

skibum wrote:

A few years ago I looked into importing paint gun's and the red tape was a nightmare. There were so many different departments involved and the time involved just dragged out.

We hope to setup a meeting with the GS and our Local TD Give them our proposal and see what they have to say try to address any problems they may have and work this out.

Eldarin

Right, This is my Thinking on AirSoft. I reckon there are some ideas with merit here.

Lets Compare it to Paintball. In Paint Ball your running through an area where upwards of 5 - 6 people are trying to hit you with quarter of an inch pellets travelling at several hundred feet per second. Where as in Airsoft your going to be hit by pellets no bigger than the smallest of pebbles with a max effective range of about 30 feet (If even). Have you ever seen the Bruises you get from Paintball???

Thats one thing, Paintball is a hell of a lot more dangerous (I believe) than airsoft could ever be and its LEGAL. Its only a matter of time before it becomes legal and I believe your doing a good thing by trying to wake this backwards country up.

Secondly if everyone is so worried about Joe Bloggs Robbing some 60 year old Granny at the post Office, Make the Weapons Rent only. I bet you've never heard of a case before where someone tried to hold up a bank with a paint ball gun. No you haven't, 1) (and more importantly) It wouldn't be practical and 2) You can't buy them freely.

If you are going to be the only (Legal) supplier of these firearms in the country. ONLY SELL THEM FOR USE IN ARENA'S. Don't Sell them to individuals. Supply them for use only in Airsoft Arena's.

I don't know what you think. But thats what I think.

Cheers.

Jaoibh

Eldarin wrote:

Lets Compare it to Paintball. In Paint Ball your running through an area where upwards of 5 - 6 people are trying to hit you with quarter of an inch pellets travelling at several hundred feet per second. Where as in Airsoft your going to be hit by pellets no bigger than the smallest of pebbles with a max effective range of about 30 feet (If even). Have you ever seen the Bruises you get from Paintball???

Slightly off with specifications range is closer to 150 feet with an airsoft rifle but yes if you have a t-shirt on and you get hit with a pellet from 10 feet the chances are you will only feel the thump but it wont hurt. with safety goggles on and head shots illegal this means you dont come home with those huge bruises you d have in paintball.

Eldarin wrote:

if everyone is so worried about Joe Bloggs Robbing some 60 year old Granny at the post Office, Make the Weapons Rent only. I bet you've never heard of a case before where someone tried to hold up a bank with a paint ball gun. No you haven't, 1) (and more importantly) It wouldn't be practical and 2) You can't buy them freely.

If you are going to be the only (Legal) supplier of these firearms in the country. ONLY SELL THEM FOR USE IN ARENA'S. Don't Sell them to individuals. Supply them for use only in Airsoft Arena's.

This is a good idea but most people who will have a genuine interest in airsoft will want to purchase and customise there own private rifle. Perhaps this is a way to go about it though.

Eldarin wrote:

I don't know what you think. But thats what I think.
Cheers.

Thank you very much for the input Eldarin I'll have your name down for the first team so

Eldarin

Yeah why not. Could be a good laugh. All I need now is a few hundred bills for a decent rifle.

Clare gunner

This Falls into the same Category as a real gun Licence. We had hoped to avoid painting the rifles but it looks like there is no other way around it. We need to have the orange Tip. If it happens that someone is to hold up a bank with one of these rifles we will have on record all weapons sold and where they are. Once they leave the Compound its the same as owning a shotgun if its stolen you report it stolen the person who sold the shotgun in the first place is not who's at fault.

Ok so then you are looking at this as a real firearm with a liscense then?
Your other problem is when you state later on that these are coming in unliscensed via mail.How will you know then where it came from?If that makes sense?The orange tip thing is anyway a nonsense either way,a can of black spray paint sorts that out for a criminal

We also read an article about a group in america that painted real machine guns with Orange tips to fool police and an officer died.

most police officers will tell you that the orange tip cant be seen from a distance anyway.

The way we look at it is if you rob a bank with a gun replica or any other it doesnt matter you deserve what you get if a police officer shoots a robber and it turns out he was holding a replica there was no way for him to know for definite.

Agreed most definately

If the weapon was reported stolen they gardai would have the model the type any modifications on file straight away. they will have a good idea if its fake or not. This we can supply to the GS very quickly.

As they will if it is on a firearms cert anyway.

I answered this part above. But as I'm trying to stress I have no intentions of letting an airsoft rifle end up in the hands of a scumbag. And there's no stopping this type of thing happening at the moment Airsoft Rifles are easily gotten they make it through customs every day. We only want to supply them to people who will use them responsibly in a safe enviornment with safety equipment.

Commendable indeed,but what happens when mr scumbag uses his illegal impport,you are selling the same model,press gets hold of the story,and point the finger inyour direction?It will be brilliant if it is that airsoft is off the ticket then all this becomes irrevelant as then anyone can own one.But I personally doubt that they will myself.But miracles do happen.

We dont see this being an issue the main people we expect to get into airsoft will be Reserve Army. We will invite the Gardai to join us for the first few games or even train with us to see that this is by no means Paramilitary related. Terrorism is a thing of the past in the republic we intend to keep it that way. And Airsoft is legal and free to play up the north at the moment.

Best of luck to you on that one!!We can hardly get the Gardai brass to come down to view the real thing clubs or shooting matches,despite numerous offers to them.Remember too NI has had an armed police force and they are more clued in to weaponary or what isnt than their Southern colleuges.It is a nice thought,and I hope it works out as it will show the "safe&harmless"aspect of shooting,but it is a tricky one.I shoot occasionally practical pistol and shotgun,which is more a shooting foot race than small unit tactics and practical shooting suffers always a bad boy image despite it being toned down alot from the 80s and civillianised.So imagine what it is going to look like with units of civvies in cammo with "full auto weapons" in a daily scum tabloid.You will be handling the equivelant of unstable nitro in the shooting community in Ireland,and if it detonates it will take us all in the blast.The public,Gardai and press dont differate between target shooters or airsofters.Guns= Baaaad,must Baaan them.So I would suggest an exellent professional PR campain,as being the main focous,before anything else.

spideog7

Originally Posted by Clare gunner
They might escape liscensing under the new firearms amendments under the CJB on their low velocity

True.......... but if this does happen it will make it very difficult for these to be controled in any way and difficult (if not impossible)for you to become the sole supplier in the country controlling who you sell to, where they are stored, used etc.

If they don't become freely available to every Joe Soap then chances are you will find it extremely difficult to get this up and running....although it will be much like paintball..the guns are somewhat less durable (from a renting p.o.v.) and the option to own your own gun is gone ....thus much of the attraction :

Originally Posted by Jaoibh
most people who will have a genuine interest in airsoft will want to purchase and customise there own private rifle.

Eg. sure you can by in a range of M16s ,AK,s etc. but if I want to go use an MP-5 and you don't have it then I may not be to interested.

That and if you want to get exact replica's they are very expensive....methinks

ie. F**ked if you do, F**ked if you don't scenario


licensing makes it expensive and too much hassle for most people........I'm sure it's possible to own one now as long as it has a serial number ..it could probably be classified as an air rifle...
but that means €40 for a licence and probably 6 months waiting, need for a gun cabinet, possibly require written permission from landowners offering land to shoot on, or a gun club membership (more €€€) etc. etc.

Overall a good idea though and it seems to be very successful in other countries and looking at the way paintball has taken off ...i';m sure using actual replica's will really take off.

Quillo

No point worrying about low lifes getting their hands on airsoft weapons - anyone with access to a creditcard and a PC can buy them on eBay. And, given the way most stuff bought on eBay arrives, it will be probably be plain wrapped, sent by post and not have a contents declaration and so will probably be delivered without interception.....

Just search for "softair" and see how much stuff is available from Germany (where its called softair and not airsoft BTW).

EBay doesn't allow the sale of air pistols/rifles in the normal sense but airsoft replicas are freely available from around €10.........

spideog7

I'd imagine the repurcussions are fairly serious given that the law says they are importing illegal firearms ..... or do they get away soft !! (excuse the pun )

IronWolf

Hi,

I have been airsofting for around 7 years now, and this is the best news i've heard in ages:) so I wish you the best of luck in this admittedly difficult venture.

If possible, could you give us a possible timeframe of when you plan to have this set up?

*EDIT*

Also, although i'd imagine you are already aware, there is a website dedicated to Irish airsofters both North and South of the border for anyone interested. It is called airsoftireland.com

Genghiz Cohen

you know the way you want a central armoury, well if all the airsoft guns are stored there(try to make it somewhere central, like athlone), everyone rents(or is given through membership) a locker in a strongroom to hold their rifle, if they want to mod it, or the like, they need to sign their airsoft gun in and out, checking in every week to insure it is still in their possession.

that may be a little extreme, but what do you want??

Jaoibh

Quillo wrote:

No point worrying about low lifes getting their hands on airsoft weapons - anyone with access to a creditcard and a PC can buy them on eBay. And, given the way most stuff bought on eBay arrives, it will be probably be plain wrapped, sent by post and not have a contents declaration and so will probably be delivered without interception.....

I agree but it is always going to be our worry that one of our rifles is used in a criminal manor

Quillo wrote:

Just search for "softair" and see how much stuff is available from Germany (where its called softair and not airsoft BTW).

Thanks This was helpful

Quillo wrote:

EBay doesn't allow the sale of air pistols/rifles in the normal sense but airsoft replicas are freely available from around €10.........

Ebay Won't ship to Ireland we already tried.

Jaoibh

spideog7 wrote:

I'd imagine the repurcussions are fairly serious given that the law says they are importing illegal firearms ..... or do they get away soft !! (excuse the pun )

This is why we have to get the Gardai on our side. We wont do anything illegal we all have carriers to think about and our future.

Jaoibh

IronWolf wrote:

Hi,

I have been airsofting for around 7 years now, and this is the best news i've heard in ages:) so I wish you the best of luck in this admittedly difficult venture.

It would be helpful to get more of your input thanks for the support.

IronWolf wrote:

If possible, could you give us a possible timeframe of when you plan to have this set up?

Next year in time for the summer we hope! all depending on the GS

*EDIT*

IronWolf wrote:

Also, although i'd imagine you are already aware, there is a website dedicated to Irish airsofters both North and South of the border for anyone interested. It is called airsoftireland.com

I will help you promote this when the time comes and hopefully try to make allowances for them discounts etc.

Jaoibh

Genghiz Cohen wrote:

you know the way you want a central armoury, well if all the airsoft guns are stored there(try to make it somewhere central, like athlone), everyone rents(or is given through membership) a locker in a strongroom to hold their rifle, if they want to mod it, or the like, they need to sign their airsoft gun in and out, checking in every week to insure it is still in their possession.

This is debatable Personal Rifles will be a thing of the future by the look of it. At the moment we are trying to get it legal enough to start Games and then work on the personal rifles. Also it is the Owners Choice to leave the rifle with us or not! and Athlone is a nice central point with train access we will concider the best place for it.

Genghiz Cohen wrote:

that may be a little extreme, but what do you want??

Extreme means safe! thats all that matters to us

Jaoibh

Genghiz Cohen wrote:

you know the way you want a central armoury, well if all the airsoft guns are stored there(try to make it somewhere central, like athlone), everyone rents(or is given through membership) a locker in a strongroom to hold their rifle, if they want to mod it, or the like, they need to sign their airsoft gun in and out, checking in every week to insure it is still in their possession.

This is debatable Personal Rifles will be a thing of the future by the look of it. At the moment we are trying to get it legal enough to start Games and then work on the personal rifles. Also it is the Owners Choice to leave the rifle with us or not! and Athlone is a nice central point with train access we will concider the best place for it.

Genghiz Cohen wrote:

that may be a little extreme, but what do you want??

Extreme means safe! thats all that matters to us

Zulu

Well I'd be interested anyway. Where do you intend on setting this up?

Jaoibh

Zulu wrote:

Well I'd be interested anyway. Where do you intend on setting this up?

Still looking at sites but more than likely max an hour and half's drive from dublin and if I can help it along the Train route. As soon as I hear back from the Gardaí I'll let you know! Thanks for the support.

Rew

Guys this disscussion is only semi-relevent to this board because you currently have to obtain a firearms licence which will change shortly. I think you would be better moving this general disscussion over to the extream sports.

BishopPanzer

Hello my name is bishop and i have been airsofting for around 3 years and currently live in the north. I found a link to this thread on airsoftireland.com were this same coversation has been disscussed, airsoftireland has some southern members as does my team (panzer 13) the irish members of my team traval up every weekend to play airsoft and im sure would love your idea to work out. myself and the team would like to wish you the best of luck with getting airsoft up and running in the south and would be interested to come down and visit when it is sorted.

I am also sure you would have the support of www.airsoftireland.com and its members on this.

Jaoibh

BishopPanzer wrote:

myself and the team would like to wish you the best of luck with getting airsoft up and running in the south and would be interested to come down and visit when it is sorted.

I am also sure you would have the support of www.airsoftireland.com and its members on this.

Thanks a million for your support we will make this happen and let the war games begin.

IronWolf

What kind of a site are you looking into; woodland or urban? It might be worth considering urban as it may attract more airsofters from the North as there are no real FIBUA orientated sites up there atm iirc .

shortys94

is it possible to buy airsfot guns in ireland? like in north and bring them down south? or are they pruely illegal?:P

Patricide

id be interested to see how this pannes out, i love paintballing and war games, i dont realy get how you could really play a game with airsoft as i dunno how you would know someone got hit or whatever but id defdinatly be up for giving it a shot.

Jaoibh

IronWolf wrote:

What kind of a site are you looking into; woodland or urban? It might be worth considering urban as it may attract more airsofters from the North as there are no real FIBUA orientated sites up there atm iirc .

Thats exactly our point. We are looking at a few different games at the moment most urban using FIBUA (Room clearing) tactical assaults. But we also want to try and have some woodland attacking base on base capture the flag operation which is looking like the primary games since they last longer.

Jaoibh

shortys94 wrote:

is it possible to buy airsfot guns in ireland? like in north and bring them down south? or are they pruely illegal?:P

At the moment it is not legal to own and operate an Airsoft Gun in the Republic but we are working on a loop hole with the Gardaí and we had good news on friday about it so fingers crossed everything will go to plan with the meetings and the banks

Jaoibh

Patricide wrote:

id be interested to see how this pannes out, i love paintballing and war games, i dont realy get how you could really play a game with airsoft as i dunno how you would know someone got hit or whatever but id defdinatly be up for giving it a shot.

I'll be a bit of a drive for you at the start but we are looking for the midlands hopefully along a train route to save people commuting to far.

IronWolf

Just realised if the VCR bill in the UK bacame law (which I hope it doesn't) you may have alot of buisness from the UK, if its near enough to the airport

Jaoibh

IronWolf wrote:

Just realised if the VCR bill in the UK bacame law (which I hope it doesn't) you may have alot of buisness from the UK, if its near enough to the airport

Guy walks through customs.. well have you anything to declare.. well now that you mention it yes .. yes I do as he pulls out an M4 and an MP5.

As much as I would love to get there business I think we might have some issue's with that

philblair99

Jaoibh wrote:

And Airsoft is legal and free to play up the north at the moment.

This isnt actually true. Whilst it IS legal, it is certainly not free. for a days play renting guns, gear etc will cost £25

Walk on (regular players, like myself, who have all their own stuff) fees are £15

Thanks again
Dave, Wayne and Tony
Airsoft Ireland

You don't represent Airsoft Ireland, so please dont be using their name.

Having said that, there are LOADS of discussions relating exactly to these issues on airsoft ireland (ASI) check it here

Its a GREAT idea you have, and I can assure you that the regular players up north will be too. If you need any assistance on this matter please dont hesitate to contact me. Thanks

whupass

Hi I know that no one has posted here for a few days and you probabley all forgot about it, but I just thought I should say that if you set an airsoft camp up they will come!!! Especially me! I've liked airsoft for a few years now (since i was 7 and saw my first BB gun actually) but have never had an oppertunity to actually play it. I have looked into buying my own airsoft guns extensively and the best place that I could find was www.speedytoys.com, i have created numerous shopping lists and found out that they do ship to Ireland. The only thing is that I can't exactly get a gun license when buying a gun on the internet, which is what a gardai reserched for me and told me that I needed to do. If you have come up with a way to buy them I would be greatly indeted to any of you that would tell me. (I have heard about giving the gun a serial number and then getting a license but this would be extremely difficult if not impossible when buying them over the internet.
Please help. Thank you.

IronWolf

Any updates on this Jaoibh?

Hauk

Is there any updates on this? Has Garda Ballistics/Customs gotten back to you yet?

Thanks

Hauk

Jaoibh

Right its official anyway I have recieved the docuements to say that I own WOLFPACK AIRSOFT LTD.
Step one is complete.
I was doing everything in my power to set up an urban site looking through loop holes and trying to find the money but its just not looking possible for the first site. So we are looking at an Choilte land at the moment its a long horrible process of meetings and emails and phone calls which seem to be getting us nowhere so far so we have to keep chasing.

We can legally get airsoft rifles into the country under the company name at first. which will make it legal to play the sport but not to own them as of yet.

I know its far from what everyone wants but its a stepping stone to the ultimate goal.

David Gargan
WolfPack Airsoft.

whupass

how old are you going to make the minimum age!!!

IronWolf

Thanks for the heads up David

Hauk

I'll second that IronWolf. Thanks Jaoibh!

mcummins2

Hi David,

I am Martin from Galway. I am delighted to see such headway been made and lookforward to the day when we can all skirmish in The Republic just like our friends up North. If there is anything I can do in my limited capability then please let me know.

Martin.

Jaoibh

Thanks for that lads
We still have a lot of work to get finished before hand we've already had a director drop out and Wayne's off to Hiberia to do some peace keeping for 3 months in August so this leaves me working on the business plan until he gets back.
As soon as I have updates I'll let you know

David

Jaoibh

whupass wrote:

how old are you going to make the minimum age!!!

Minimum Age will have to be 16 with parents permission.
As far as we can see this is standard for safety

B00MSTICK

Sounds great, good luck

Jaoibh

Since we have had to abandon Urban war games as the first site because of cost we are going back to woodland war games if anyone has played them before and liked a specific game will you email me @ davidgargan@eircom.net
If your idea is used I'll make sure you get a free pass to the opening. Any other originals would be much better but you will be rewarded for your help.

David

whupass

i'll keep thinking up ideas and i won't send you 50 mails i'll summarize in one and you can ask about one if you want.

by the way thanks for setting up this place i think i speak for everyone when i say we've been waiting for someone with the b**ls to do this and thanks.

whupass

i thought of a new idea but only the one
so i'll snd you this one and maybe others as they come

IronWolf

Jaoibh,

Recently a number of posters in the shooting sub-forum say that the CJB is coming into affect on or before the 7th of July, making all airguns that fire under 1 Joule of energy seen as a toy under the eyes of the law. Which would make owning personal airsoft guns legal .

whupass

F***IN' FANTASTIC!!!!!!


will there be an age limit?