New Evanescence Album (The Open Door)

Nightwish

For those of you that care, the new album will be titled The Open Door and is due for release Mid-August.

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Black Swan

Cool!:cool:

Patricide

Me thinks its going nowhere without moody behind it.That guy knows how to write a great comercial metal/esque record.

Tar.Aldarion

That is some drama to say the least!
Good article, I love the sound of Lacrimosa.
It's also a vampire girl I liked in a book...

Anyway, Operatic eh, nice.
I'm glad she is doing more what she wants to do on this album, not just aimed at commerciality etc.
I didn't know any of that stuff about the manager, sexual assault?! :eek:


Mozart cover...I'll be buying this one!

patricide wrote:

Me thinks its going nowhere without moody behind it.That guy knows how to write a great comercial metal/esque record

Eh, that's why I am glad he is not writing.

Nightwish

Posted by Amy Lee on evboard.com
Jan 06

Hey guys.
I know everyone is dying to hear whats going on, and its been a little while since I've posted. There's some stuff I really shouldn't talk about right now, but I want you to know that the record is coming out beautifully. Through all of the scary and insane drama over the last 6 months, there has also been alot of good- I feel like a new person. As most of you already know, Terry had a stroke in November. A small chunk of this recording process was spent in the neurology unit at ULCA. Every time he would wake up all he could talk about was getting out of the hospital and playing guitar. He actually had us bring his polka-dot Randy Rhodes guitar to the hospital. Its funny- after being stuck on lyrics for a month on one song, I remember finally writing them at the foot of Terry's bed in intensive care. Its wild how life inspires you- again reminding me that we have no control over anything. It's been 2 months, and Terry has made miraculous progress. He is in the studio with us right now, and everything is going ahead as planned. We are certain that he will make a full recovery- he's too stubborn to settle for anything less. Meanwhile, we were (and are) going through firing our manager, and as you can see (all over the freaking internet), that hasn't been very easy for us either. BUT it always hurts to break through to the other side- to make the changes you have to make to help yourself, and I already feel so good. Weird. I feel better than I have in years. I love my album, I love my band, and I'm grateful for our lives. This album is meaning more and more to me as we finish it. Most of it was written when we came into the studio, but much more has poured out through all of this, making it that much better- that much more passionate. We will be finished with mixing and everything by March first. THAT MEANS it will be early fall when the album is actually on the shelf. We're thinking August. I hope you can understand the delay, and I promise the music will be worth it. I just can't wait to share it with everyone. Thank you all for being so patient and supportive. We love you!
-Amy

March 06

Hey guys. Terry and I are sitting here in the control room at the studio- well be done mixing next week! I can hardly believe it, weve been working on this album for so long. The stuff sounds so good... Wow, what a trip this has been. I just wanted to say hi, check in with you and let you know that Terry is doing really well (he is downloading pantera ringtones right now and trying to get one of us to call him), Fortman is ruling it (in deep thought at the mixing board) and I am trying to figure out the order of the songs for the album. Its going to be hard to hold this music in all summer. haha! Terry just said to thanks for all you guys' support, and all the kind words. I really want to thank you guys again for being so patient- i know its gonna be worth it. Hang in there! Ill keep you guys posted.
love
amy and terry

Nightwish

Sorry to double post...this is for Tar

EVANESCENCE Singer Sues Former Manager For 'Negligence', 'Sexual Assault And Battery' - Dec. 7, 2005

Singer Amy Lee of EVANESCENCE has sued her former manager, Dennis Rider of Rider Management, for breach of fiduciary duty, professional negligence, conversion, sexual assault and battery, and other claims.

According to the complaint, which was filed today (Dec. 7) in Los Angeles Superior Court, Lee retained Rider to serve as her personal manager commencing on or about September 5, 2002. As her manager, "Rider owed Lee the highest fiduciary duty to promote Lee's career, to look out for her best interests and to take care of her business. Instead, Rider has neglected Lee's career and business, and has focused his efforts on having extramarital affairs, hiding them from his wife, becoming intoxicated during business meetings, physically abusing women and boasting about it, making repeated unwelcome sexual advances toward Lee, receiving fees in excess of what was provided for in his management agreement, and using Lee's corporate credit card to purchase lavish gifts for his mistress — without Lee's knowledge or consent — including an $18,000 automobile and a week-long vacation in Florida."

Lee claims in her complaint that "Rider has made repeated overt, unwelcome sexual advances to Lee (his client). On one occasion he put his head in Lee's lap and ran his hand up her leg, when she sat next to him on a couch to listen to a demo of songs for her next album. On a different occasion, Rider put his hand on Lee's leg while he sat next to her on an airplane — where she was captive to his advances. On a third occasion, Rider told Lee that he wanted to perform a gynecological examination on her."

Lee is seeking "general and special damages in an amount according to proof at trial" as well as "punitive or exemplary damages." She is also asking to be reimbursed "for all unauthorized and excessive expenditures" and attorneys' fees.

Download a copy of Lee's 21-page complaint against Rider at this location (.PDF file, 4.3 MB).

As previously reported, Rider filed a lawsuit against Lee last week over alleged unpaid commissions. Under the agreement, Rider Management was entitled to 20 percent of gross earnings. He is asking for a minimum of $10 million.

EVANESCENCE's major-label debut, "Fallen", has sold 6.36 million copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=45269

Tar.Aldarion

Heh, really gotta start checking that forum out.
Anywho, it's sounding good!
I hope it doesn't disappoint but I don't imagine it will. When people are happy, they make worse music.


EDIT: Woah, what a bastard!
Talk about being a corrupt and well, bad, manager.
Hw did he hope to get away with the CC thing, or well any of it. They were even paying him more than he was entitled to as it stood.
Any news in the months since that?
Well, I suppose these things take time.

Nightwish

no news. Amy cant talk about it as its still going through the courts.

Tar.Aldarion

Ah, that makes sense.
I hope she brings out another dvd.
/random thought.

projectmayhem

i'm not an evanescence fan but this line cought my eye:

"i don't want to insult my first record..."

says it all tbh

Tar.Aldarion

projectmayhem wrote:

i'm not an evanescence fan but this line cought my eye:

"i don't want to insult my first record..."

says it all tbh

I don't follow.

Nightwish

I think projectmayhem is trying to highlight that Amy refers to Fallen as her first album and not "the bands" or even "her and Bens" first album. However Projectmayhem is missing the point. Amy and Ben wrote Fallen...it was theirs...now there is no Ben in the context of Evanescence so therefore she can truly say its "hers" in reference to the band.

Tar.Aldarion

Nightwish wrote:

I think projectmayhem is trying to highlight that Amy refers to Fallen as her first album and not "the bands" or even "her and Bens" first album. However Projectmayhem is missing the point. Amy and Ben wrote Fallen...it was theirs...now there is no Ben in the context of Evanescence so therefore she can truly say its "hers" in reference to the band.

Oh I follow that, what I don't follow is him picking on the word my. If I was in a band I would still call it my first album, when referring to it.
i would call it 'our' album when the band were with me.

projectmayhem

i was picking on the fact that she refers to it as her own work, rather then a collaborative effort. so there's bad blood between her and ben moody (what an ironic name ), he still wrote most of the stuff apparently... if i was him i'd be fairly pissed off that she's claiming it to be her work

Nightwish

Going Under

Amy Lee wrote the song about a previous emotionally and physically damaging relationship. The song was the last song written for Fallen and was originally plugged as the first single had Bring Me to Life not been put onto the Daredevil soundtrack. It became the second single

Bring Me To Life

Amy Lee became inspired to write that song after she was sitting in a restaurant. Somebody walked up to her table and asked her something to the effect of “Are you happy with your life”?

Everybody's Fool

Carrie Lee’s (Amy's sister) fascination with pop stars such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera was the inspiration for the song. Amy Lee said that Carrie, 8 at the time, started to dress as those two superstars and that it angered Amy.

My Immortal

Ben Moody wrote the original in full when he was 15 years old. It is the second song that he wrote for the band. In the later versions of the song, Amy Lee is credited to have written the bridge and the coinciding piano part to the song.

Haunted

Amy Lee wrote this song based on a short story by Ben.

Tourniquet

Rocky Gray is credited with writing the song and the rest of the band revamped it for Fallen.

Imaginary

Amy Lee wrote the song and it apparently refers to her old room. The song is interpreted as finding a place to escape personal troubles and the outside world.

Taking Over Me

John LeCompt is credited with writing this song. Originally recorded for the 2001-2002 demos.

Hello

The most personal song ever written by Amy Lee as it was written for Bonnie Lee, Amy’s deceased sister. Bonnie Lee died in 1987 at the age of 3 from an undisclosed illness. Amy Lee was 6 at the time. This is the only Fallen song that has never been performed live to date.

My Last Breath

written by: A. Lee, B. Moody, and D. Hodges

Whisper

written by: A. Lee and B. Moody



All info from evboard.com


As you can see there was a collaborative effort behind some of the songs on Fallen but Amy was the main musical "driving force" behind it. Ben did not write most of the stuff, anything Amy wrote he changed to make it more commercial, therfore he is mentioned in the writing credits. He has claimed he wrote songs that he didnt (such as Haunted)

hahaha. wow. I know Ben's claimed he wrote the lyrics to haunted more than once, (in front of me even) but how did that get to you guys? Is it in an interview or something? funny. I don't care. Anyway, to answer the question, that IS my real, real lyric journal and those are my real, real words.

BlueSpiral

Yippie!
Can't wait, I've been waiting for this album for a long time, but they had so much drama over the last year. Ben leaving, the stupid manager and then the guitarist got a heart-attack. Well I think it was a heart attack.

Tar.Aldarion

Patricide wrote:

Me thinks its going nowhere without moody behind it.That guy knows how to write a great comercial metal/esque record.

http://www.evanescence.com/

You can see six of the songs she wrote here on the original paper!
They are the ones she wrote on her own. The others were either written with her or written by those people Nightwish mentioned.
I wonder what revamped means, heh.
Anyway, Ben is far from writing most of the stuff.

Nightwish

BlueSpiral wrote:

Yippie!
Can't wait, I've been waiting for this album for a long time, but they had so much drama over the last year. Ben leaving, the stupid manager and then the guitarist got a heart-attack. Well I think it was a heart attack.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51207851&postcount=5 tbh

BlueSpiral

Nightwish wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51207851&postcount=5 tbh

projectmayhem

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

http://www.evanescence.com/

You can see six of the songs she wrote here on the original paper!
They are the ones she wrote on her own. The others were either written with her or written by those people Nightwish mentioned.
I wonder what revamped means, heh.
Anyway, Ben is far from writing most of the stuff.

fair enough but that doesn't mean she sat there and wrote it all herself. lyrics are one element to a band. did she pick up the guitar, bass and drums and write all that stuff too?

(btw i'm not having a dig, i just picked up on that one bit )

Tar.Aldarion

projectmayhem wrote:

fair enough but that doesn't mean she sat there and wrote it all herself. lyrics are one element to a band. did she pick up the guitar, bass and drums and write all that stuff too?

(btw i'm not having a dig, i just picked up on that one bit )

Oh sorry I meant to quote patricide!

Nightwish

projectmayhem wrote:

fair enough but that doesn't mean she sat there and wrote it all herself. lyrics are one element to a band. did she pick up the guitar, bass and drums and write all that stuff too?

(btw i'm not having a dig, i just picked up on that one bit )

She writes the music on piano and also playes the piano parts in songs which have it. Ben wrote the guitar parts where necessary or where credited. The new album was co-wrote by Amy (lyrics and some melodies) and Terry (melodies) with the rest of the guys adding their two cents to it.

projectmayhem

Nightwish wrote:

She writes the music on piano and also playes the piano parts in songs which have it. Ben wrote the guitar parts where necessary or where credited. The new album was co-wrote by Amy (lyrics and some melodies) and Terry (melodies) with the rest of the guys adding their two cents to it.

fair enough but my point still stands, it wasn't HER album

Nightwish

It is hers. It was hers and Bens. Ben walked away from it now its hers.

projectmayhem

Nightwish wrote:

It is hers. It was hers and Bens. Ben walked away from it now its hers.

so because he walked away suddenly his work isn't his? if i was him i'd be pissed off at that... i've just never seen anyone from a band claim the work as their own. seems fairly big-headed to me tbh

Nightwish

Ben said he was destroying the band, so he left. He has said before he has left it all behind.

As much as they can't blame me for who I am as a person, I can't blame [Amy], or the rest of them for who they are. I totally love them and have absolute respect for them. If I didn't, instead of jumping ship, I would have taken it down. I would much rather see them succeed, because I have nothing but respect for them.
Part of it, absolutely. [Amy] is much more creative than I am, I'll be the first to admit it. I am a bit more commercial minded, I guess. I like structure in songs, and I like making songs people can adhere to. I still like to be creative, but she is more educated musically, and she wanted to explore that. I wanted to do that, but keep in the confines of what I knew people expected from Evanescence

www.mtvnews.com

stranded

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

http://www.evanescence.com/

You can see six of the songs she wrote here on the original paper!
They are the ones she wrote on her own. The others were either written with her or written by those people Nightwish mentioned.
I wonder what revamped means, heh.
Anyway, Ben is far from writing most of the stuff.

The only song she wrote on her own was "Breathe No More". She just recopied that stuff into her notebook.

Ben wrote most EVERYTHING Ev did. He is more talented than Amy, even if he doesn't think so. Amy just...she's not that great on her own.

Tar.Aldarion

stranded wrote:

The only song she wrote on her own was "Breathe No More". She just recopied that stuff into her notebook.

Ben wrote most EVERYTHING Ev did.

Where is your source for this


edit:Where is your source for this Nonsense.


Ben Moody wrote, My Immortal, he took part in writing My Last Breath and Whisper. How is that nearly all.

He is more talented than Amy, even if he doesn't think so. Amy just...she's not that great on her own.

He writes songs for Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne...you regard them as masterpieces?

Also, apparently Avril is the best...

Ben Moody wrote:

"Avril can write songs faster than both Amy and me," he said. "I would just start playing and she would come up with these killer melodies and the most clever hooks. It's just ridiculous. We wrote one song about finding your boyfriend cheating on you and every four lines ended with the most clever statement. I was just like, 'How do you do that?' "

Oh and lol.
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1505754/20050714/story.jhtml

projectmayhem

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

He writes songs for Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne...you regard them as masterpieces?

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1505754/20050714/story.jhtml

do you regard evanescences (?) work as masterpieces then?

as for the story, fair play to him. he's happy writing million-dollar tracks for pseudo-punk pop stars, and his solo record has some fairly notable people on it.

stranded

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

Where is your source for this


edit:Where is your source for this Nonsense.


Ben Moody wrote, My Immortal, he took part in writing My Last Breath and Whisper. How is that nearly all.

He wrote Anywhere, Lies, Away From Me, Anything For You, and Understanding (both versions). Parts of Bleed, Surrender, he wrote most of Whisper, Even in Death, Where Will You Go, Soltidue, Give Unto Me, Forgive Me, Exodus. He also composed, with David Hodges, Eternal. He also made "The End" and "Ascension of the Spirit" on his own.

Which is most everything Ev did. Now, if you'd actually get your facts right...actually, quick question: do you know anything about Evanescence? Do you even know about Origin and the two EPs?

"He writes songs for Kelly Clarkson and Avril Lavigne...you regard them as masterpieces?"

The Avril one is good, and the two Clarkson songs are very good as well. I wonder, do you like being rude?

Nightwish

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51210157&postcount=15 tbh


And yes I have heard of Origin as I have both a bootleg and an original copy of it. I also have bootlegs of Sound Asleep, Evanescence EP and Not For Your Ears compilation.

The songs you have listed are not "most of everything" they have written.

Partly Written By Ben
Whisper
Lies
Missing
Forgive Me
Eternal
So Close
Where Will You Go?
Away From Me
Even In Death
Field of Innocence
Exodus
October
Bleed
Ascension of the Spirit
The End

Written solely By Ben
Understanding
Anywhere

all info from evboard.com

shnaek

The proof of who wrote what will be available in August by the sounds of it! The proof will be in the music. But I think personally that the termoil between two songwriters can be a hugely creative force in a band. It only ever holds together for so long, and neither tend to go on to do much after that. I cite The Smiths and Suede as examples. I am sure there are plenty more.

Tar.Aldarion

stranded wrote:

He wrote Anywhere, Lies, Away From Me, Anything For You, and Understanding (both versions). Parts of Bleed, Surrender, he wrote most of Whisper, Even in Death, Where Will You Go, Soltidue, Give Unto Me, Forgive Me, Exodus. He also composed, with David Hodges, Eternal. He also made "The End" and "Ascension of the Spirit" on his own.

I am talking about this album..you know...fallen.
That is why I did not mention those songs, most of which are combined efforts.

Which is most everything Ev did. Now, if you'd actually get your facts right...

So pray tell, how many did he write on his own?

actually, quick question: do you know anything about Evanescence? Do you even know about Origin and the two EPs?

Yes, I have them.
I think there is only one thing that they have done(that I am aware of) that I don't have atm...

The only song she wrote on her own was "Breathe No More". She just recopied that stuff into her notebook

Ben wrote most EVERYTHING Ev did. He is more talented than Amy, even if he doesn't think so. Amy just...she's not that great on her own.

Where did you get all of this from?

The Avril one is good, and the two Clarkson songs are very good as well. I wonder, do you like being rude?

I'm just trying to see what you think good writing is. We obviously have different opinions on that.


I don't like being rude. I like being a condescending elitist.
Oh and don't take me too seriously, I'm just really upset atm. Trying to keep anger out of my posts...

ProjectMayhem wrote:

do you regard evanescences (?) work as masterpieces then?

Nope, just saying what he wrote after is worse imo - if he wrote all the evanescence stuff. I wanted to see what s/he regards as good. Now I know.

Clearly we have different opinions about what is good as she hates Nightwish and likes that avril lavigne and kelly clarkson stuff.

LightofDarkness

I'm quite frankly surprised that anyone is making any kind of big deal about this band, no matter what face you put on it (A pop-goth chick, a pop-punk princess, a bouncy blonde hussie) it's the same bloody thing; music contrived so people who watch MTV will buy it (and in this case they think this is somehow alternative music/metal, but since when did everything with distorted guitars become such?). Not much more to it than that, there would be very little real thought or emotion put in to this stuff (despite what they'll tell you, they do have to sell the product), thus most of the real thought goes into "now just what will make the kids buy this..." Just my two cents.

BolBill

Who cares, they're awful IMHO

stranded

Nightwish wrote:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51210157&postcount=15 tbh


And yes I have heard of Origin as I have both a bootleg and an original copy of it. I also have bootlegs of Sound Asleep, Evanescence EP and Not For Your Ears compilation.

The songs you have listed are not "most of everything" they have written.

Partly Written By Ben
Whisper
Lies
Missing
Forgive Me
Eternal
So Close
Where Will You Go?
Away From Me
Even In Death
Field of Innocence
Exodus
October
Bleed
Ascension of the Spirit
The End

Written solely By Ben
Understanding
Anywhere

all info from evboard.com

Did you not see my above post? Ben wrote "Anything For You" on his own.

BTW, "Not For Your Ears" is not an Ev CD. It is a bootleg CD that Ev NEVER did. BTW, "Ascension of the Spirit" and "The End" are Ben's work ALONE. Amy didn't help, and David wasn't in the band at the time.

EDIT: You know what we both forgot? "Farther Away", part of it was Ben's work, but I know that song was mostly Amy.

Davei141

I agree with lighof and bolbill, dont see the what the fuss is about. If the lead singer wasnt a woman with some white make-up, nobody would of heard of them.

Tar.Aldarion

Davei141 wrote:

I agree with lighof and bolbill, dont see the what the fuss is about. If the lead singer wasnt a woman with some white make-up, nobody would of heard of them.

That is if you are some idiot that bases what they like on looks.
i don't know anybody that does anyway.

Davei141

Are you serious? even on this forum, how many "omg i love evanescence amy lee is like sooo friggin hot!!!" is on the other evanescence thread? Dont say people dont go for image, the "punk/goth rock chick" image pulls in the money.

Tar.Aldarion

Davei141 wrote:

Are you serious? even on this forum, how many "omg i love evanescence amy lee is like sooo friggin hot!!!" is on the other evanescence thread?

So what if she is hot?
Somebody saying she is hot does not mean they like the band because
she is hot.
Otherwise, I would like a **** load of absolute ****e like avril lavigne etc.

Dont say people dont go for image, the "punk/goth rock chick" image pulls in the money.

People do. They are called idiots.
/Me pleasures himself to man o war.

Davei141

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

So what if she is hot?
Somebody saying she is hot does not mean they like the band because
she is hot.

You know it happens.

Otherwise, I would like a **** load of absolute ****e like avril lavigne etc.

Avril Lavigne only sells records because of the "punk rock chick" image, its my opinion that evanescence would of dropped off the face of the earth had it not been for Amy Lee's "goth chick" image.

Tar.Aldarion

Davei141 wrote:

You know it happens.

I didn't say it doesn't. Some people are like that.
Never met one after the age of fourteen though.

Avril Lavigne only sells records because of the "punk rock chick" image, its my opinion that evanescence would of dropped off the face of the earth had it not been for Amy Lee's "goth chick" image.

I don't believe albums go platinum six times, selling 12 million copies and stay in the top 50 for a year because the girl singing is goodlooking.


Maybe they think you are right and picked an ironic name for the band.

Davei141

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

I didn't say it doesn't. Some people are like that.
Never met one after the age of fourteen though.

Id say it stretches right across the teens tbh.

I don't believe albums go platinum six times, selling 12 million copies and stay in the top 50 for a year because the girl singing is goodlooking.

Avril Lavinge's "Let Go" sold 15 million worldwide. Was that because of her "talent" or image?

Maybe they think you are right and picked an ironic name for the band.

Guess they didnt know how well the image would catch on.

Tar.Aldarion

Davei141 wrote:

Avril Lavinge's "Let Go" sold 15 million worldwide. Was that because of her "talent" or image?

Clearly, who are you or I to say otherwise?
Different stokes for different folks.

Guess they didnt know how well the image would catch on.

Indeed, they had a rocky start..quick change the name to Evanescence...

Nightwish

stranded wrote:

Did you not see my above post? Ben wrote "Anything For You" on his own.

BTW, "Not For Your Ears" is not an Ev CD. It is a bootleg CD that Ev NEVER did. BTW, "Ascension of the Spirit" and "The End" are Ben's work ALONE. Amy didn't help, and David wasn't in the band at the time.

EDIT: You know what we both forgot? "Farther Away", part of it was Ben's work, but I know that song was mostly Amy.

I am aware of the origins of the Not For Your Ears compilation. I KNOW its only a fan compilation and I know it contains the song You thats not actually an Evanescence song but an Amy song. Spare me the lecture on their past releases, because I already know.

MarneX

"He wrote Anywhere, Lies, Away From Me, Anything For You, and Understanding (both versions). Parts of Bleed, Surrender, he wrote most of Whisper, Even in Death, Where Will You Go, Soltidue, Give Unto Me, Forgive Me, Exodus. He also composed, with David Hodges, Eternal. He also made "The End" and "Ascension of the Spirit" on his own.

Which is most everything Ev did."

Im sorry but no!They wrote alot more songs!Im just saying!And theres their new album so..that would just make the numbers even further apart.Hi im new!heeeeeeeeeeeehe dont ask!