5/10 - AA hand

Bozzer

Utg is quite the fat ass rock.
I have AcAh on the button. I’ve been pretty solid.

Effective stacks are 1900

utg opens for 35, I raise to 150, utg calls

Flop: Kc Ts 6c (315)

chk, chk

Turn: 3c (315)

Utg leads for 200, I raise to 700, utg calls

River: 9h (1715)

chk, chk

any thoughts?

edit: 6 handed

fuzzbox

I think you made it very big preflop ... why?
The K is horrible.

Do you want to fire a bluff at the river? You believe you are bluffing right?

He never calls your turn raise with a worse hand ... right? so thats a bluff too. ...right?

ianmc38

My thoughts - Villain has KK.

On the river I think he will call any bet.

fuzzbox

The more I think about it ... I am not sure I like the turn raise.

Norwich Fan Rob

no point in betting river as u are often behind.
surely villian will put u on AA at this stage given the action and lead the river if he has KKK.
ive seen poor villians here with AK. (or QQ with Qc is hes a total donkey).
I prefer to call the turn, and then call the river, than raise the turn, this will only slow him down if he is behind.
As this plays the river is an automatic check.

Bozzer

fuzzbox wrote:

I think you made it very big preflop ... why?
The K is horrible.

Do you want to fire a bluff at the river? You believe you are bluffing right?

He never calls your turn raise with a worse hand ... right? so thats a bluff too. ...right?

Yeah preflop is bigger than usual. I thought playing it a little faster against this guy would be best, i don't know really

Postflop I’m just wondering if anyone plays it differently.
I’m not thinking of bluffing the river.

Ste05

I don't mind the turn raise, he has a good hand, a draw to the nuts, he's shown no strength on the flop, and so opened the door to a continuation bet from the Villian, he could very easily be leading now, the only hands to realistically worry about are KK or 1010. (After the call I think it's probably KK but still he has outs). But I'd say AK might call here too.

River = Check Check, gets a free showdown, job done. Minimised losses and maximised winnings.

Rnger

Why didnt you bet the flop? No one else has asked this so i suspect it would be wrong to do so. Why shouldnt the villian have AK here? He could be aware if his image and is reluctant to drop it to a large raise pf.

Norwich Fan Rob

i think your average villian on 5/10 on tribecca has AK more often than KK after checking the river, just my opinion, but its still correct to check the river.

Nothing wrong with betting the flop.

Bozzer

fuzzbox wrote:

He never calls your turn raise with a worse hand ... right? so thats a bluff too. ...right?

I don't like the turn raise too much either. I think i believed QcQ and maybe even JcJ could call at the time, bleh.

fuzzbox

Bozzer wrote:

Yeah preflop is bigger than usual. I thought playing it a little faster against this guy would be best, i don't know really

Postflop I’m just wondering if anyone plays it differently.
I’m not thinking of bluffing the river.

Call turn and call river if he bets or bet river if he checks.

On that flop - he has either 2 outs or we have 2 outs.
On the turn - we are either massively ahead, or not that far behind - but he wont fold if he is ahead (although he will fold if we are ahead). And we really dont want him to push.

To sum up ... I dont like the turn raise.
I dont like the turn raise.

fuzzbox

Bozzer wrote:

I don't like the turn raise too much either. I think i believed QcQ and maybe even JcJ could call at the time, bleh.

Thats a bit of a reach .

Bozzer

Rnger wrote:

Why didnt you bet the flop? No one else has asked this so i suspect it would be wrong to do so. Why shouldnt the villian have AK here? He could be aware if his image and is reluctant to drop it to a large raise pf.

This flop is a way ahead way behind situation. Villain's not going to have QJ or two diamonds given the preflop action. If I bet he will fold QQ and JJ which is bad. It's possible I can extract money from these hands later by checking the flop now(he's drawing to 2 outs so I'm not worried about giving a free card here). Obviously if he hit a set of K's or T's betting is wrong.
Only hand a flop bet is best against is AK and I didn't think that was too likely.

ianmc38

Bozzer wrote:

Only hand a flop bet is best against is AK and I didn't think that was too likely.

Exactly a rock isn't going to call a huge preflop raise from a solid player with AK.

fuzzbox

AK only has 2 outs also.
Its the same situation as QQ/JJ here ... except AK is likely to fire twice if you check ... figuring that YOU might have QcQ/JcJ.


This means that everything that rocky rockerson might have = 2 outs for you or 2 outs for him.
Thus checking flop is great ... but raising turn is not great.

Norwich Fan Rob

I agree AK here would be awful, but ive seen it many times.
(i think QQ with Qc is perhaps more likely)

Bozzer

fuzzbox wrote:

This means that everything that rocky rockerson might have = 2 outs for you or 2 outs for him.
Thus checking flop is great ... but raising turn is not great.

I posted this hand because I felt some people would benefit from learning why you should check the flop in this hand(against a villain with a very narrow hand range).
I also posted to confirm my belief that I botched the turn

Norwich Fan Rob

so he had KKK?, with 1700 already in the pot, surely villian missed out on a value bet on the river.
(he cant think u are going to bluff the river, given the action, and surely u cant have a flush)

fuzzbox

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

so he had KKK?, with 1700 already in the pot, surely villian missed out on a value bet on the river.
(he cant think u are going to bluff the river, given the action, and surely u cant have a flush)

What can bozzer call a push with?

Bozzer

Villain had AA. split it up.
What do we think of villain's play?

Norwich Fan Rob

not saying a push, just saying with 1700 in there, surely a bet of 300 of so with top set would have to be called by AA, (given that he could have AK or QQc, i know a good player wont have this, but really its easy over rate some of these guys).

Ste05

Without the Ac, I'm not sure about his play.
Pre-Flop - Fine
Flop - Fine
Turn - Calling the Re-raise without the Ac is hmmm, basically I would have thought all you could theoretically have here would be AAc, KK or AcK, possibly QQc and in which case he was either miles behind, splitting (while giving you a free roll to the nuts), or giving you a free card to outdraw him.
River - Fine

Just wondering Bozzer, do you think the raise Pre-Flop gave your hand away, i.e. would you raise this much with AK or QQ?? Could he put you on AA or KK with this size of raise, or had you been splashing around on the button a bit recently??
I don't think he could have re-raised pre-flop without flipping his cards over, but just out of interest, I was wondering what he thought of you.

MrPillowTalk

Bozzer wrote:

Villain had AA. split it up.
What do we think of villain's play?

villain should have half pot bet the flop, ak is a strong possibility from you and he can safely assume you will try and snap off his weak flop bet as you have shown considerable strength.

this villain is my favourite type, tight enough to steal off all day then doesnt push his premium hands near enough, easy spot for some free money

Bozzer

Ste05 wrote:

Just wondering Bozzer, do you think the raise Pre-Flop gave your hand away, i.e. would you raise this much with AK or QQ?? Could he put you on AA or KK with this size of raise, or had you been splashing around on the button a bit recently??
I don't think he could have re-raised pre-flop without flipping his cards over, but just out of interest, I was wondering what he thought of you.

There were a few things which happened in the last 40 or so hands which made me choose a bigger raise size. There's not much point talking about them but suffice to say I don't think the raise gave away my hand as just AA/KK.

Ste05

Bozzer wrote:

There were a few things which happened in the last 40 or so hands which made me choose a bigger raise size. There's not much point talking about them but suffice to say I don't think the raise gave away my hand as just AA/KK.

Ye I kinda presumed as much ....