Fit pro convention 2006 (inside scoup)

Transform

Just back from the fit pro convention

http://www.fitpro.com/education/springevent/

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THE FOLLOWING INFO WILL INTEREST ADVANCED TRAINEE'S MAINLY
If you do not understand certain points start your own thread
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Here is a brief of Charles Poliquin's lectures and important points

(oh he has trained athletes in 18 different olympic sports - so he is a legend)

1. No static stretching before or after training - all dynamic or PNF.

2. Work your shoulder rotators for a bigger bench. Most have piss poor rotator strength

3. Every woman can be trained to perform 12 full chins within 12 weeks - if she can't the coach is at fault or the woman is just not putting in the effort

4. To lower cholesterol use fish oils, reduce grains and low GI

5. Use a supinated grip when benching with DB's - easier on shoulders and better chest activation

6. SOY IS MUCK MUCK MUCK!!!!!!!!! (He was not a big fan!!)

7. His top supplements - fish oils, Vit E, Magnesium, quality multi vit, rotate your protein sources (there were specific quantites, brands, sources mentioned but i am saving that for myself).

8. Key to strength training is to recruit as many motor units as possible - work blood hard and stop doing silly moves like tricep kickbacks etc

9. Do Ass to the floor squats - this was a whole lecture (2hrs)

10. Do lots of leg extensions, smith machine squats if you want to completely wreck your knees

11. Ladies do you have fat thighs, big bum? = xs oestrogen. Cause is normally alcohol

12. For fat loss use German Body composition training

13. Eat more cruciferous vegies to lower oestrogen, cut out alcohol, detox,

14. Body fat of over 10% Men = Fat , Women over 16% = fat. Yes very high standards but i agree with them

Google him if you want more info.

Conclusion - excellent candid speeker, takes no prisoners, only cares about results, results results. He uses very tenical analysis of clients and program design which we went through, it was his first public seminar in 12 years oh and he charges $600 per hour

All the best and hope it helps those who understand

Dragan

Nice one!

Cheers for the info dude!

Nice to see another person knocking SOY! Man, i hate that stuff!

g'em

Thanks Transform, much appreciated. Must have been a fantastic event!!!

Some really interesting points there, # 3 really made me smile, must send it on to my trainer looks like he's been letting me down!!! Of course the very last point did raise my heckles a little, but I can see where it's coming from. Still, 'fat' is not a word I'd associate with myself...

Definitely some food for thought there, nice one.

t-ha

Nice one Transform - don't suppose you popped into Paul Chek to throw a swiss ball at him?

Can I ask your personal opinion on #5. I think supinated can be tough on the shoulders too - the natural position is somewhere between pronated and supinated - then again I'm not Poliquin so who gives a crap what I think.

because_I_can

Poliquin has some good idea's, some bad idea's, a load of copied idea's and some downright wrong idea's.
Same as any strength coach really post USSR. Nothing much has changed in the strength world in the last 40+yrs.
Its all been said and done before. No need to pay even a cent for it

Reyman

Good post T.

Concise and informative!

Reyman

G'em - re #3 . He did say you mightn't be working!

Try this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/charles4.htm

Dragan

Reyman wrote:

G'em - re #3 . He did say you mightn't be working!

Try this: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/charles4.htm

tee hee hee, now thats funny. From having spent some gym time with the girl she doesn't know how to put in anything less than 100% all the time.

SHe's crazy like that!!!

g'em

Reyman wrote:

G'em - re #3 . He did say you mightn't be working!

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that and not dignify it with an answer...

Edit: @Dragan- you got in there before me.. thanks

Reyman

g'em wrote:

I'm going to pretend I didn't read that and not dignify it with an answer...

Just spotted an opening

They're rare!

Dragan

Reyman wrote:

Just spotted an opening

They're rare!

Even rarer that we get away with out cheek!! ha ha ha

g'em

enjoy it while you can, I'll be back on form soon enough

retrograde

Theres lots of exceptions to those rules of which i could talk about hours. €600 per hour is bull****. I know qualified people including myself who charge 50 per hour and get results and arnt so self-rightious about their system or way of training.

kwalsh000

Some very useful info there, thanks Transform:)

Dragan

retrograde wrote:

I know qualified people including myself who charge 50 per hour and get results and arnt so self-rightious about their system or way of training.

Yeah but have you trained people in 18 different Olympic sports???

Besides, i'm pretty sure you would charge 600 quid and hour if you could find the people to pay it.

As far as i'm concerend 50eu an hour is still too much.

Easygainer

I incorporate pretty much everything there anyway. I also use suppinated grip on smith bench to work triceps - excellent movement, most people don't perform it right though.

Were any specific exercises mentioned for rotators? My shoulders are a definite weak point in chest movements so I move grip accordingly and only train shoulders in one movement...

retrograde

Dragan wrote:

Yeah but have you trained people in 18 different Olympic sports???

Besides, i'm pretty sure you would charge 600 quid and hour if you could find the people to pay it.

As far as i'm concerend 50eu an hour is still too much.

Of coarse i would charge 600 an hour-if it was justified-but from the stuff that he has quoted from his convention i wouldnt give him a dime. Ive heard it before and a lot of it is bs.

Dragan

retrograde wrote:

Of coarse i would charge 600 an hour-if it was justified-but from the stuff that he has quoted from his convention i wouldnt give him a dime. Ive heard it before and a lot of it is bs.

I don't think he was charging 600 quid and hour for the convention, i think thats for training!

Easygainer

retrograde wrote:

Of coarse i would charge 600 an hour-if it was justified-but from the stuff that he has quoted from his convention i wouldnt give him a dime. Ive heard it before and a lot of it is bs.

What's bs from the list?

Reyman

Supinated grip on the D. benching

What way are the palms facing?

thirtyfoot

Transform wrote:

9. Do Ass to the floor squats - this was a whole lecture (2hrs)

What else did he say about this? For example did he elaborate on what benefit a sprinter/runner gets from ass to the floor squats as opposed to full or one leg squats?

t-ha

Reyman wrote:

Supinated grip on the D. benching

What way are the palms facing?

Towards the body & each other.

Macha

6. SOY IS MUCK MUCK MUCK!!!!!!!!! (He was not a big fan!!)


Really?? Why?

because_I_can

the soy bean was only an animal food in the 60s 70s. Its very bad for the human body as it lowers testosterone level.
http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=302poison2

but then some ingenious marketing campaigns later and its a "health food"
and fools buy into it without even researching it

Jak

Supinated grip is with the palms of your hands facing you, just be careful with the added stress on wrist joints when trying this. Lower the weight initially, the movement will feel quite different.

Thanks for taking the time to post Transform.

The rotator cuff point is an interesting one, I've stayed away from isolated training of the RC because of overstress and injury worries. Depends on your overall program, but my shoulders and RC take a beating in a good few of my sessions and I'd be very cautious about adding to that.

It's a fair point though, lifting will come down to the weakest link if you hold form, and the RC is that for most I'd say.

JAK.

Smellyirishman

Don't mind me, just getting all confused...(and Jak seems to have answered my confusion)!

Good post Transform.

t-ha

Jak wrote:

The rotator cuff point is an interesting one, I've stayed away from isolated training of the RC because of overstress and injury worries. Depends on your overall program, but my shoulders and RC take a beating in a good few of my sessions and I'd be very cautious about adding to that.

How do you think the RC work is balanced though? I find most programmes will work it preferentially in terms of internal, rather than external, rotations. I guess I'm mostly talking about programmes with heavy emphasis on bench pressing, and seated military pressing for shoulder work.

Transform

retrograde wrote:

Theres lots of exceptions to those rules of which i could talk about hours. €600 per hour is bull****. I know qualified people including myself who charge 50 per hour and get results and arnt so self-rightious about their system or way of training.

He was not so self rightious and if you were so good at what you do YOU could charge $600 per hour.

Is the info radical for the trained pro? Possibly not. I go to these conventions and talks to pick up one or two usable pieces of info that can keep me and my clients informed. This allows me to get results and hence grow my business with my other trainers.
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Squats - as mentioned ass to the floor (there was a test to check if you are ready to perform squats first) as the bottom position activates the vastus medialus (VM). This can reduce ham pulls, increase 10-50m times, increase knee stability etc

Rotator cuff work - if its weak then lay off benching for a month to only work on it and any other moves e.g. bent over lateral raises etc If its very weak it will be your weak link

Summay of Check's seminars anyone or do you know it all already?

Finally - there are many ways to skin a cat i am interested in finding the quickest safest way

amazingemmet

Cheers for the post i'll have the summary of chek's seminars please.

Dragan

Transform wrote:

Summay of Check's seminars anyone or do you know it all already?

Let me having that seminar summary please! I'm on the hunt......the hunt for knowledge! :eek:

Reyman

t-ha wrote:

How do you think the RC work is balanced though? I find most programmes will work it preferentially in terms of internal, rather than external, rotations. I guess I'm mostly talking about programmes with heavy emphasis on bench pressing, and seated military pressing for shoulder work.

You're right all those exercises emphasise the internal shoulder rotaters.
This is why bench pressing is such a problem - the internals become over developed.

The information I have is that -
" External rotation-muscular endurance / internal rotation-muscular endurance should be greater than 70%. The strength ratio external to internal should also be around 70%. "

You can do specific exercises to target the externals directly or make sure you fit in plenty of rowing type back exercises to get this balance

babypink

ta! brill post!

because_I_can

Transform wrote:

Squats - as mentioned ass to the floor (there was a test to check if you are ready to perform squats first) as the bottom position activates the vastus medialus (VM). This can reduce ham pulls, increase 10-50m times, increase knee stability etc

i presume you mean decrease those times?
can you say more about that? My reasoning for doing a2g squats is it recruits more muscle mass. not because its specifically makes me faster. my sprinting does that.
thanks though. great post

Boru.

Hi Tranform,

That's great stuff. I'm a big fan of Polquins stuff - just kicking myself I couldn't make it. If you could post your summary of Checks stuff I'd really appreciate it.

Also If you don't mind me asking - what seemed to be the theme of the exhibition? What was everyones focus on? and what personally did you find to be the mose useful aspects of the convention? What would you imporve or change and what would you drop entirely?

Again thanks as always for providing us all with consistently top quality information.

Transform

Will post up summary of check's talk soon and yes do full squats to dramatically improve short sprinting times - short sprints are about the size of the muscle and its ability to produce power quickly. Half squats = half the muscle activation

Boru.

Thanks Transform. Quick question on the chin ups? Is Polquin approaching that from a neruological perspective as opposed to a muscle building one?

Kinetic^

Great stuff but can comebody explain the points in english please, i'm a little !!!!!

Transform

No explaining the points in english - gotta earn it first through basic training first.

Chins - its from a strength perspective. Muscle building will largely depend on super setting etc with the obvious rep ranges.

If there are ANY GUYS that can not do at least 10 dips and chins (underhand grip) then i am sorry your program is just going to do you justice.

g'em

g'em wrote:

enjoy it while you can, I'll be back on form soon enough

and just to prove I'm a woman of my word: actually in a roundabout kinda way I want to say a second thanks to Transform for his post.. after reading it.. and that point #3 specifically.. I discovered that I can do chin-ups after all (just hadn't tried them in ages.. v de-motivating constantly trying and not getting anywhere!!!). Its only 3 at a time so far, but dammit, I'll get the twelve in twelve weeks if it kills me

Patto

Transform wrote:

If there are ANY GUYS that can not do at least 10 dips and chins (underhand grip) then i am sorry your program is just going to do you justice.

That's me! Would you mind suggesting a programme that will get me to 10 chins and 10 dips in 12 weeks? At the moment I can do about 2 and a half, I'm lat pulling down 75Kg (5 sets of 5) and I weigh 100Kg.

cousin_borat

Easygainer posted a link on a previous discussion on Pull ups. Have a look it and the video. This should help for pull ups.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054909119&highlight=dave+henry

http://www.teamvasquezbodybuilding.com/dhenryrackchin.mpg

Kinetic^

Transform wrote:

No explaining the points in english - gotta earn it first through basic training first.

Eh what??

Transform

Keyser Soze 5 wrote:

Eh what??

As i said if you do not know what it all means you possibly are not ready to apply most of the info any way.

Stick to doing the basics all the time for most works

coach

hi Transform, I was at Poliquins lectures at Fitpro and did his Level 1 and 2 last year in Dublin. Just a quick question, did you get the docs name of the guy that treats MS patients. I wrote down Dr Ken Profrile. Can't get a website with his name. Did you get the same name? Thanks in advance Michael