Gti Dsg Gearbox

drdre

Hi guys im hopefully going to buy a o5/06 gti within this year.i just wanted some help on choosing the manual or dsg.could someone give me more info on what dsg is.i want to find out if i get a dsg gearbox does that come with paddle shift gears on the steering wheel.
hope some one can help as i cannot find info.
this car i seen on carzone has a dsg gearbox but i cannot see the paddle shift gears and are they available as extras as i cannot even see the option on the price list.
http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=375757

and the final question is would you think that a gti would be cheaper to import from uk?how much vrt be on the car.

thanks in advance

Eoin

Thought you would be more interested in the hand brake?

Anyhow - from one of the first results when I googled "VW GTI DSG":

he jewel in the new GTI's crown is undoubtedly its Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG). This terrific piece of high-tech kit is probably the most significant development in transmissions since… Well, since trans-missions were first invented. As smooth as most conventional auto-matic transmissions, DSG suffers from none of their performance losses. Basically, it uses two clutches so the next ratio is always pre-selected and ready to engage before you need it — all without the need for a clutch pedal. The result is dazzlingly fast gear changes that can either be fully automatic or manually controlled.

Left to its fully-automatic self, DSG performs faultlessly in both normal and sport modes. Gear changes are near-imperceptible. But if it's fast sequential manual gear changes you want, simply move the selector lever across the gate. Shifts are then made by small push/pull movements: forwards (up changes) and back (down changes). Alternatively you can use the easy-to-reach F1-style shift paddles on the steering wheel. Whichever mode is engaged, the selected gear is always clearly displayed on the driver's information screen sited between the rev-counter and speedometer.

drdre

eoin_s wrote:

Thought you would be more interested in the hand brake?

Anyhow - from one of the first results when I googled "VW GTI DSG":

im more interested in the changing of gears than the brakes.that was just a stupid mistake i made and i wonot happen again.:o

anyway so from the artile you found it looks like the gears are on the steering wheel.thanks

ubu

There are paddle shifts behind the steering wheel as standard on all DSG gearboxes, go into a VW dealership and have a look, most of them have a GTI Golf on show all the time

drdre

ubu wrote:

There are paddle shifts behind the steering wheel as standard on all DSG gearboxes, go into a VW dealership and have a look, most of them have a GTI Golf on show all the time

thanks thats a great pic.i will try make it into a vw dealer to check it out.the main facto of getting the car is getting insurance so i need to call them 1st to get a quote.

the best thing is they can be chipped to over 260bhp.:D

drdre

not all dsg cars have a paddle shift heres an example

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=263699

does anyone have any more info on these gearboxes.thanks

unkel

drdre wrote:

the best thing is they can be chipped to over 260bhp.:D

FWD > 200bhp doesn't really work. Alfa GTAs are the only ones that make a reasonably good job of it...

fletch

unkel wrote:

FWD > 200bhp doesn't really work. Alfa GTAs are the only ones that make a reasonably good job of it...

You obviously didn't watch Top Gear when they reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

L5

eoin_s wrote:

Thought you would be more interested in the hand brake?

hahaha

drdre

fletch wrote:

You obviously didn't watch Top Gear when they reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

no i didnot watch that edition of top gear.anyway thats a thought for after i buy it.

But still the question is not answered, if the paddle shift gears are standard or optional for dsg gearbox?
thanks

alias no.9

fletch wrote:

You obviously didn't watch Top Gear when they reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

If that's the one where they compare the focus ST, golf R32 and 147GTA, did you see the end when clarkson was deciding which one he'd have? He said he'd pick the golf, but on the way to the VW dealership, he'd divert to the Alfa dealership and have the GTA.

ciarsd

ubu wrote:

There are paddle shifts behind the steering wheel as standard on all DSG gearboxes,

no their aint - its an optional extra :cool:

phoenix_nights

alias no.9 wrote:

If that's the one where they compare the focus ST, golf R32 and 147GTA, did you see the end when clarkson was deciding which one he'd have? He said he'd pick the golf, but on the way to the VW dealership, he'd divert to the Alfa dealership and have the GTA.

But clarkson doesnt have to care about reliability, depreciation, dealer service and his most recent purchase, the ford GT, he does seem to care much about pure handling either.

ciarsd

fletch wrote:

You obviously didn't watch Top Gear when they reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

and you were not paying attention fletch

was that not Autodelta's red GTA? in a very high state of tune... 3.7 V6

ciarsd

phoenix_nights wrote:

But clarkson doesnt have to care about reliability, depreciation, dealer service and his most recent purchase, the ford GT, he does seem to care much about pure handling either.

lads all this has hardly anything to do with a DSG box in a MK V GTi :rolleyes:

Eoin

ciarsd wrote:

lads all this has hardly anything to do with a DSG box in a MK V GTi :rolleyes:

I think it says in the sticky that every thread must turn into an Alfa debate.

drdre - the answer is on the http://www.volkswagen.ie site:

MULTIFUNCTION STEERING WHEEL WITH GEAR CHANGE CONTROLS € 525

unkel

fletch wrote:

You obviously didn't watch Top Gear when they reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

No didn't see it, but I did use the word reasonably. And if that was an Autodelta as ciarsd said, that would hardly be comparable to the standard GTA. The latter has 250bhp, the Autodelta has 328bhp :eek:

Gatster

Didn't TG do a group test on the new GTI, Astra VXR and ? The new Focus St was tested on it's own and they did they BMW 130i vs the new R32 (thank the Lord for repeats on UK Living or wherever...).

Jezza loves the Golf, and I'd go for the DSG if I could but Alfa 3.0 GTV awaits

DrDre - aren't you early 20's (not having a go, but insurance would be pricey enough <25), and without dragging up the past if you were convicted of your previous offence won't that absolutley rocket your insurance?

drdre

Gatster wrote:

Didn't TG do a group test on the new GTI, Astra VXR and ? The new Focus St was tested on it's own and they did they BMW 130i vs the new R32 (thank the Lord for repeats on UK Living or wherever...).

Jezza loves the Golf, and I'd go for the DSG if I could but Alfa 3.0 GTV awaits

DrDre - aren't you early 20's (not having a go, but insurance would be pricey enough <25), and without dragging up the past if you were convicted of your previous offence won't that absolutley rocket your insurance?

Yes im 21 and im thinking of getting it when im 22.also for my last conviction nothing has happened so far the date was put forward to 5th october.

drdre

eoin_s wrote:

I think it says in the sticky that every thread must turn into an Alfa debate.

drdre - the answer is on the http://www.volkswagen.ie site:

eoin i was on the website before and i thought this was it but wanot sure.so that means you have to pay 525 for the paddles shift and over 2k for the dsg gearbox.i would have thought it would be included.

fletch

ciarsd wrote:

and you were not paying attention fletch

was that not Autodelta's red GTA? in a very high state of tune... 3.7 V6

I think you will find that it was a stock 3.2 V6 GTA
vid
Anyway back on topic

Eoin

drdre wrote:

eoin i was on the website before and i thought this was it but wanot sure.so that means you have to pay 525 for the paddles shift and over 2k for the dsg gearbox.i would have thought it would be included.

Included for free on a VW?

drdre

just got quoted online for 3k for fully comp on a vw golf gti 05 reg.and im only 21.:D .
so if i call them i should get a better deal.i will call them later and post it up.

L5

drdre wrote:

just got quoted online for 3k for fully comp on a vw golf gti 05 reg.and im only 21.:D .
so if i call them i should get a better deal.i will call them later and post it up.

with who if you don't mind me asking. Interested in this car also

bmoferrall

(Apologies to the OP for wandering off topic.)

eoin_s wrote:

I think it says in the sticky that every thread must turn into an Alfa debate.

As the celebs might say, I guess it's better to be spoken ill of, than not to be spoken of at all.

Unkel wrote:

FWD > 200bhp doesn't really work. Alfa GTAs are the only ones that make a reasonably good job of it.

I don't see the point (other than bragging rights) of chipping FWD cars to >200bhp in isolation; without complementary upgrades the extra power would probably only be useful in higher gears, and at motorway speeds (fun in itself I appreciate). The Alfa GTAs had extensive suspension/steering/gearbox/clutch/etc. refinements/reinforcements to cope with the extra bhp.

reviewed the 147GTA.....it was understeer hell (and torquesteer hell)

Should anyone be interested here's a few GTA links: video of the standard GTA; video of the Autodelta version; Fifth gear video of 156 GTA.
Alfa softened up the standard 147 GTA to counteract the negative UK reaction to the crashy, B road-unfriendly 156. The higher COG (and, I'm guessing, shorter wheelbase/narrower track?) of the 147 would also mitigate against tidy handling. With the hooligan Clarkson unsympathetically throwing the 147 from side to side, he makes it unfairly look like a clownmobile. One of the UK magazines (Evo I believe) managed a 0-60 run of 5.6s (Autocar managed 5.9s), so it's obviously capable of getting the power down when driven properly. BTW, Clarkson was fulsome in his praise of the Autodelta version of the 147 GTA: see here. An Irish owner of a 3.7L 156 GTA is equally enthusiastic about it.

With decent tyres, uprated springs and dampers, the 156 GTA (and 147) transforms itself from a crashy, somewhat roll-y and nose-heavy handful, into a sharp, well-balanced and focussed sports saloon; a good lsd will take it to another level again. The standard setup is very much a compromise, with a bias towards grand tourer; even so, torque steer and wheel spin in low gears is impressively contained. I believe the inclusion of decent adjustable springs/dampers and an lsd would have drawn a very different reaction from the UK press. No matter anyway, these can be added later according to taste, and at a (relatively) reasonable cost. Personally, given the choice between an Autodelta-fettled 156 GTA and a standard M3, I would take the fwd GTA every time.

By all accounts, the Focus ST, Golf(V) GTI, Honda CTR and Clio 182 seem to have got the fine balance between on-the-limit power and handling spot on (for fwd cars). Fair dues, but I wouldn't swap a 156 GTA for any of them.

PhoenixRising

Jesus I don't know many 21 year olds who can spend €40,000 on a car.

ciarsd

PhoenixRising wrote:

Jesus I don't know many 21 year olds who can spend €40,000 on a car.

what the heck has that got to do with it ?:rolleyes:

PhoenixRising

ciarsd wrote:

what the heck has that got to do with it ?:rolleyes:

Just an observation. Would have loved to be in a position to spend €40k on a GTI when I was 21.

cargrouch

PhoenixRising wrote:

Jesus I don't know many 21 year olds who can spend €40,000 on a car.

I must have been doing something wrong. I must be still doing something wrong!:(

drdre

L5 wrote:

with who if you don't mind me asking. Interested in this car also

i just got the quote online from hibernian.i havenot even done any research and when i do i will get it down to around 2000.as this is the 1st quote i have got.

drdre

PhoenixRising wrote:

Jesus I don't know many 21 year olds who can spend €40,000 on a car.

im a student but have 1 yr left to go.i work in the family business in the evenings and weekend and have been woring since aorund the age of 15/16 so i have saved up. i have saved up over the past few years from buying and selling stuff.and as you guys might know I LOVE CARS.and my cousins and unlces have great cars so thats where i get my loving for them.eg m5,ferrari f430 etc.;) .give me a few years and i will be getting cars like that.:D

now does that explain your question

PhoenixRising

drdre wrote:

im a student but have 1 yr left to go.i work in the family business in the evenings and weekend and have been woring since aorund the age of 15/16 so i have saved up. i have saved up over the past few years from buying and selling stuff.and as you guys might know I LOVE CARS.and my cousins and unlces have great cars so thats where i get my loving for them.eg m5,ferrari f430 etc.;) .give me a few years and i will be getting cars like that.:D

now does that explain your question

Fair deuce, post up some pictures when you get it.

drdre

PhoenixRising wrote:

Fair deuce, post up some pictures when you get it.

i wonot be getting it till end of the year or early next year.i would think early next year as then second hand prices will drop a little bit.

drdre

PhoenixRising wrote:

Fair deuce, post up some pictures when you get it.

i wonot be getting it till end of the year or early next year.i would think early next year as then second hand prices will drop a little bit.

sneakyST

a mate of mine bought a gti dsg .....he had intentions of buying a manual but test drove the dsg and bought it on the spot. it all depends on what sort of driving experience you want......
that wasnt a bad insurance quote.....back in the bad old days you wouldnt get insurance on a mini for that at 21.

Big Balls

At the start of the MKV GTIs life, the paddles were optional. Now they ARE STANDARD.

The picture above is not from a MKV GTI, I think it's an R so bear in mind things may be slightly different.

You'll do well to get insured on one for a reasonable price, let alone for €2,000 at 21.

I got mine back in Sept 05 and I was 23, even with more than 5 years NCB and now being 24 since I had to renew it, my policy is €1913 fully comp.

Best way to decide between manual and DSG is to drive both. I don't like the idea of the car changing gears for me, I much prefer to do it myself, you may be different.

And just again, not wanting to bring up the past but it's a quick enough car and someone who is willing to do donuts in a brand new car may quite easily kill themselves or somebody else, jumping from a 1.4 to a 2.0T with 200bhp at 21. I'll gladly admit I don't think I had enough sense/skill/maturity at 21 to drive the car I drive now. I did have a MKIV GTI at 21 which I bought myself for my birthday but that car was a different story compared to the new model.

If you go for the car, get out of donut mentality, it will cause you to crash in a car with that amount of power

Mc-BigE

Would you consider a Skoda vRS ? Same Engine, car is based on the Golf
same DSG Gearbox as an option and with the money you save over the Golf, you'd have DSG/Leather/SAT NAV thrown in for free!

But could you live with the badge????????.............

Big Balls

It's a great car and a decent price but I don't see the attraction of a family orientated performance car to a 21 year old TBH.

drdre

Big Balls wrote:

At the start of the MKV GTIs life, the paddles were optional. Now they ARE STANDARD.

The picture above is not from a MKV GTI, I think it's an R so bear in mind things may be slightly different.

You'll do well to get insured on one for a reasonable price, let alone for €2,000 at 21.

I got mine back in Sept 05 and I was 23, even with more than 5 years NCB and now being 24 since I had to renew it, my policy is €1913 fully comp.

Best way to decide between manual and DSG is to drive both. I don't like the idea of the car changing gears for me, I much prefer to do it myself, you may be different.

And just again, not wanting to bring up the past but it's a quick enough car and someone who is willing to do donuts in a brand new car may quite easily kill themselves or somebody else, jumping from a 1.4 to a 2.0T with 200bhp at 21. I'll gladly admit I don't think I had enough sense/skill/maturity at 21 to drive the car I drive now. I did have a MKIV GTI at 21 which I bought myself for my birthday but that car was a different story compared to the new model.

If you go for the car, get out of donut mentality, it will cause you to crash in a car with that amount of power

are you sure the dsg gearbox comes with paddle shifts for free.also i have coped on now from my past experience.i know they are fast but i wonot be doing wheel spins in a new gti.thats for sure.but thanks

drdre

Mc-BigE wrote:

Would you consider a Skoda vRS ? Same Engine, car is based on the Golf
same DSG Gearbox as an option and with the money you save over the Golf, you'd have DSG/Leather/SAT NAV thrown in for free!

But could you live with the badge????????.............

nah i wouldnot buy a skoda i donot know why but its not my type.but i would still buy the leather etc in the golf.;)

Big Balls

Well unless Belgard Motors were giving me paddles for free when trying to sell me a new GTI then yes, I am sure !!

drdre

Big Balls wrote:

Well unless Belgard Motors were giving me paddles for free when trying to sell me a new GTI then yes, I am sure !!

alright thanks.i also bought my car from belgard.;) .

Gatster

Slightly off topic but if you have no other outgoings and a reasonably good job I'm sure the repayments could be afforded. If I didn't have 'other' responsibilities I'd get a late 98-00 911 and be very happy transport wise...

Having not driven a DSG but a few Tiptronic boxed cars I can safely say the option of what is effectively an Auto box is worth it's weight in Gold under certain driving conditions (I am presuming you can do this with the DSG 'box?).

drdre

Gatster wrote:

Slightly off topic but if you have no other outgoings and a reasonably good job I'm sure the repayments could be afforded. If I didn't have 'other' responsibilities I'd get a late 98-00 911 and be very happy transport wise...

Having not driven a DSG but a few Tiptronic boxed cars I can safely say the option of what is effectively an Auto box is worth it's weight in Gold under certain driving conditions (I am presuming you can do this with the DSG 'box?).

i like my new/reasonably new cars.im not mad into the boxters.;) but i do like the new shape boxsters.

Gatster

Wouldn't get a Boxster, considered them when deciding this time around and really can't see the attraction beyond the badge - £13-14k sterling for a '98 + whatever the VRT is!!! Always wanted a 911 so I'll hopefully be in that position in the next couple of years, a boxtser would be a dis-service to myself!

Mc-BigE

BMW M3 from UK around 20K sterling for a good 02 or 03 with leather on EBay or Autotrader, or Audi S3 225bhp 1.8T engine with electric leather Recaro seats as standard and Four wheel drive!

Problem with high performance cars is engine size, its a bitch for road tax over 2 litre.:mad:

drdre

Mc-BigE wrote:

BMW M3 from UK around 20K sterling for a good 02 or 03 with leather on EBay or Autotrader, or Audi S3 225bhp 1.8T engine with electric leather Recaro seats as standard and Four wheel drive!

Problem with high performance cars is engine size, its a bitch for road tax over 2 litre.:mad:

i would be interested in a m3 second hand.but when im going to buy a car i will see what else is available in and around the 35-40k mark(inc vrt if need be)

Mc-BigE

here's a couple of new shape GTI's on ebay:

wonder how much vrt would be?

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&fstype=1&from=R10&catref=C6&satitle=golf+gti&sacat=9801%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=3%26fsoo%3D2&a39=-24&a6=-24&a85=-24&a38=-24&gcs=13&pfid=1150&reqtype=1&pfmode=1&alist=a39%2Ca41%2Ca6%2Ca85%2Ca38%2Ca3801&pf_query=golf+gti&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D3&sadis=200&fpos=Postcode&ga10244=10425&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi=

drdre

Mc-BigE wrote:

here's a couple of new shape GTI's on ebay:

wonder how much vrt would be?

i would also love to find out vrt on them.im not too sure of how the vrt system works but i will need to find out soon as i most likely will be buying a car from uk.
this is exactly what i would like.i love the white colour.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Unregistered-2006-Mk5-Golf-GTi-200-DSG_W0QQitemZ4629862259QQcategoryZ9873QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

unkel

@bmofferall, thanks for the insight into the UK version of the 147 GTA. I presumed the 147 GTA would handle pretty much the same as the 156 GTA. All GTA reviews I've seen are of the 156 GTA and most of these rate that car very highly indeed

bmoferrall wrote:

I don't see the point (other than bragging rights) of chipping FWD cars to >200bhp in isolation; without complementary upgrades the extra power would probably only be useful in higher gears, and at motorway speeds (fun in itself I appreciate). The Alfa GTAs had extensive suspension/steering/gearbox/clutch/etc. refinements/reinforcements to cope with the extra bhp

That describes much better what I meant!

drdre wrote:

i would be interested in a m3 second hand

Would you do us a favour, drdre, and check with your insurer if you can get a quote on an E46 M3 and let us know? Surely if you can get a quote at all, that would set you back €5k or more unless maybe with this new type of quote based on an excess of €4k per claim

If you could get a quote age 21, that would sicken a good few of us older gents alright

There's a 2004 M3 for just under €60k here, which seems a bit of a bargain. 3 owners already though

L5

drdre wrote:

i would also love to find out vrt on them.im not too sure of how the vrt system works but i will need to find out soon as i most likely will be buying a car from uk.
this is exactly what i would like.i love the white colour.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Unregistered-2006-Mk5-Golf-GTi-200-DSG_W0QQitemZ4629862259QQcategoryZ9873QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

VRT calculator here lads


https://www.ros.ie/VRTEnquiryServlet/showCarCalculator

seems to be around €8,000