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Was this too rash?

  • 08-04-2006 3:49am
    #1
    Subscribers Posts: 32,859 ✭✭✭✭


    Scalps Tournie, 5 left. Prizes are:

    1 - 3400
    2 - 1700
    3 - 1000
    4 - 650
    5 - 365

    Blinds 3/6k going up in 7 mins to 4/8k

    Chip stacks are (approx):
    150k
    100k
    85k
    70k
    50k

    There is a raise every hand practically since the start of the FT. I have probably a fairly tight image, never seen to play with rags. Hands I have shown at FT are QQ, TT, 77, AK twice.

    I get KQo in the cutoff, guy on 85k makes standard raise to 20k UTG. He is a solid player who hasn't really shown any rubbish in big pots and has laid down to a reraise a couple of times preflop on the FT already. I can't recall ever playing with him before tonight, but he is def not a newbie.

    Action comes to me and I go all in for 50k. Guy thinks and calls for 30k more with A8o, and hits (not that he needed to) and I go home.

    Question is really this. Was it wise to think that this moved in an already raised pot may have got through? I had hoped he would not call without either having hands that I was in a race situation with (or unfortunately in bad shape against, but 5 handed, I was willing to take that risk). I believed he would have the standard wide range for open raises at this stage of the tournie. I am not criticising his play, just looking for opinions on mine. Did I not have enough chips to push him off this? Should I have waited for an opened pot instead where I may have gone in with 'live' cards at best if called?

    This stage of tournaments is really my achilles heel I think and I am trying to get things clear in my head. Blinds coming up and with a raise likely before I acted would leave me at around 40k (at 4/8 by then) on the button. The difference between 3rd/4th is not a consideration to me, I am looking to push on to win the thing.

    Thoughts/comments appreciated. Cheers.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    he cant possibly fold this.
    if you made the move and u were counting on your FE then you were wrong.
    you have almost 0 FE here.with pot that big and blinds that big he is not gonna fold anything that he raised with.
    if you were chansing it then its not that bad and u didnt get lucky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭spectre


    This was a poor move imo. You have said that this was a solid player who has already been been forced to fold to reraises preflop, he is probably getting sick of this and will be ready to make a stand, particularly against the table shortstack. As it turned out, both your cards were in fact 'live', you could have been in much worse shape.

    As Gholimoli said, your fold equity is not good here, he has odds of 79/30, he wasn't folding here unless he had raised with thrash (unlikely from a solid player UTG). Your aim should be to get all your chips in first, while you still have decent FE. You can still hurt all the other players with 50K


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Ste05


    If you're willing to race for a decent stack, then I don't mind the push. You should have known you were getting called, but generally you'll be up against Ax (usually less than J), any 2 face cards or a small PP, therefore you were either 50:50 or 60:40 IMO, if he has AK, AQ, AA, KK, or QQ, so be it.

    Although I agree with the above that you had almost 0 fold equity.


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