4x4s WHY?????????!!!!!!!!!

godfather69er

i need enlightenment on the explosion of these things.
1.why do you need one in dublin???
2.what are emissions like on them
3. how economical are they
4.why, from what i can see do arrogant, ignorant pricks drive em??
5. why are they 85% of the time on the grass verge or footpath.
6. are they v6,v8?? >2L????

i really dont see the point of them and with they worlds oil supplies coming to the end why not drive a economical saloon with a 1.4 or a vtec engine which are very economical????
in my opinion saloons seem to be safer too???

ds20prefecture

Before helping you to throw stones at 4x4 owners (and I will) - what do you drive that makes you so righteously indignant?

peasant

Suzuki Jimnys for everybody !!!

http://www.carpages.co.uk/suzuki/suzuki_images/suzuki_jimny_21_01_05.jpg

Guy:Incognito

godfather69er wrote:

i need enlightenment on the explosion of these things.
1.why do you need one in dublin???
2.what are emissions like on them
3. how economical are they
4.why, from what i can see do arrogant, ignorant pricks drive em??
5. why are they 85% of the time on the grass verge or footpath.
6. are they v6,v8?? >2L????

i really dont see the point of them and with they worlds oil supplies coming to the end why not drive a economical saloon with a 1.4 or a vtec engine which are very economical????
in my opinion saloons seem to be safer too???

Whay drive a car thats capable of breaking the speed limit?

I'd imagine a good few of them are more economical than my safrane. I'm currently getting about 25 mpg.

Hagar

I'll have a blue one, and since godfather69er won't want his I'll have it for her indoors. He can have my old bike. The saddle is nearly new and hardly hurts anymore and sure you'll get used to the rain. Don't mind getting arthritis in your hands from the cold and damp you'll probably get knocked off it long before then.:D

Gatster

You pays your money you takes your choice.

There's plenty of this sort of thread here if you search for it, but I'll have a Range Rover 4.2 Supercharged in Arctic Frost or Bonatti Grey with Aspen seats, if you're offering. It'll sit nicely in the garage next to the Gallardo Spyder that you could ask your 1-6 about as well.

Stark

This thread reminds me of the South park hybrid cars episode

knifey_spoonie

We have a new 2.2 diesel rav4 and we are getting about 39 mpg short runs mostly none over 15 minutes.So that aint bab.

colm_mcm

The 2.2 Rav 135bhp is a beast! the new Santa Fe 2.2 150 more so! (apart from the complete lack of grip on the front wheels-2WD)

I'm sick of everyone giving out about 4X4s, usually people who can't afford them

Anan1

colm_mcm wrote:

I'm sick of everyone giving out about 4X4s, usually people who can't afford them

And you figured this out how?;)

TempestSabre

I don't get why people have a problem with 4x4's. You need to chill out.

Anan1

TempestSabre wrote:

I don't get why people have a problem with 4x4's. You need to chill out.

Seriously, I think we've done this from every possible angle at this stage. The OP might want to read back over the recent SUV thread, rather than going for a rerun. Actually, TempestSabre, you might want to do the same!;)

TempestSabre

Anan1 wrote:

Seriously, I think we've done this from every possible angle at this stage. The OP might want to read back over the recent SUV thread, rather than going for a rerun. Actually, TempestSabre, you might want to do the same!;)

Who cares. I say go again.

godfather69er

ds20prefecture wrote:

Before helping you to throw stones at 4x4 owners (and I will) - what do you drive that makes you so righteously indignant?

i drive a 1992 rover mini cooper which is modded, i however do most of my commuting on a bike these days as i dont want to **** the car up by running the risk of crashing. and before you start slagging me about the bike, the bike is worth more than most of the crap on the roads. and you should ride a bike at least once a day on the road it will really open eyes to the ****e quality of roads and the poor standard of driving and manners among most of our road users(not all).
and from he previous posts the engines seem to be o.k on efficiency so you have enlightened me on that, what would you get out of a 4.2 supercharged range rover??
and as for that snob who says most complaining is done by people who cat afford them why do alot of 4x4 owners write off the tax on them through daddys business???? and believe me it is more expensive to run a classic car, if i wanted a 4.2 v8 id buy a 69 ford mustang and have a bit of fun

prospect

Why not?

Owen

Because they're fun to drive. Just like a MINI, or an Aerial Atom, if it puts a smile on your face, then it's okay to drive it. We all pay too much for motoring anyway, so why not live it up a little?

phoenix_nights

godfather69er wrote:

4.why, from what i can see do arrogant, ignorant pricks drive em??

Beware of internet trolls

BeardyGit

godfather69er wrote:

i drive a 1992 rover mini cooper which is modded, i however do most of my commuting on a bike these days as i dont want to **** the car up by running the risk of crashing. and before you start slagging me about the bike, the bike is worth more than most of the crap on the roads. and you should ride a bike at least once a day on the road it will really open eyes to the ****e quality of roads and the poor standard of driving and manners among most of our road users(not all).
and from he previous posts the engines seem to be o.k on efficiency so you have enlightened me on that, what would you get out of a 4.2 supercharged range rover??
and as for that snob who says most complaining is done by people who cat afford them why do alot of 4x4 owners write off the tax on them through daddys business???? and believe me it is more expensive to run a classic car, if i wanted a 4.2 v8 id buy a 69 ford mustang and have a bit of fun

Ah, I see. Somone's obviously had an unpleasant experience with a '4x4' recently. Felt a little vulnerable in the mini, did we? Not to worry, why don't you just tar all 4x4 drivers/owners with the same brush - That'll no doubt make you feel better about it.... :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito

godfather69er wrote:

and as for that snob who says most complaining is done by people who cat afford them why do alot of 4x4 owners write off the tax on them through daddys business????

Why would anyone pay for somethign they (legally) don't have too. Thats madness. Rich people are generally rich because they dont foolishly waste all their money.

godfather69er

Gil_Dub wrote:

Ah, I see. Somone's obviously had an unpleasant experience with a '4x4' recently. Felt a little vulnerable in the mini, did we? Not to worry, why don't you just tar all 4x4 drivers/owners with the same brush - That'll no doubt make you feel better about it.... :rolleyes:

if you can read i said that not all of them are ignorant pricks???
and as for the tax thing most people dont have daddys business to use to write off tax

Wolverine_1999

I don't think the problem of 4x4s is that huge in Ireland, or that much of an environmental impact as with the yanks.

I don't think they come with engines under 4-5 Litres over there... bloody ridiculous bunch of senseless dopes..

fits

Ahem... some people actually need 4X4s, theres quite a lot of farmers and people with horses in the country...
Driving a 4x4 is no worse than driving a sports car.

That said, when I eventually can afford to buy one, I'll probably either get a 1litre runaround or a bike to save on fuel costs.

padraigmyers

I've been driving a 4x4 with the last few weeks (a Toyota Hilux Surf). I sold my car and I'm driving this in the meantime until I can pick up the car I've bought. Must say, I can't see the attraction. Crap handling, pretty crap acceleration, rough ride, crap fuel economy, and noisy (although this isn't really a factor with the newer ones). An awful lot of bad points with them for the pro's of having a high driving position, the look of a 4x4, and extra space. But each to their own I suppose.
Can't wait to get back to driving a car!

ds20prefecture

godfather69er wrote:

i drive a 1992 rover mini cooper which is modded

That's a terrible car for emissions, safety, fuel consumption and efficiency. Why aren't you driving something very ecologically sound & safe like a Citroen C3 diesel. We're running out of oil, you know, and there you go using twice as much of our precious oil as someone in a C3 diesel. And you can fit more people into a C3 than a bicycle, so it is much more efficient than that.

Unless you've modded your mini with some sort of cold fusion reactor, why don't you piss off back to the leaving cert forum and lose the "I read daddy's irish times last week and it said SUVs are bad so that's my pocket opinion" attitude. Live and let live, or you'll meet and even bigger prick than yourself who won't.

godfather69er

ds20prefecture wrote:

That's a terrible car for emissions, safety, fuel consumption and efficiency. Why aren't you driving something very ecologically sound & safe like a Citroen C3 diesel. We're running out of oil, you know, and there you go using twice as much of our precious oil as someone in a C3 diesel. And you can fit more people into a C3 than a bicycle, so it is much more efficient than that.

Unless you've modded your mini with some sort of cold fusion reactor, why don't you piss off back to the leaving cert forum and lose the "I read daddy's irish times last week and it said SUVs are bad so that's my pocket opinion" attitude. Live and let live, or you'll meet and even bigger prick than yourself who won't.

ya just shows the amount of car knowledge you have you dope. my mini has a six point roll cage, its made of thickish steel.if a mini hit a modern car head on it would make **** of the newer car. however a jeep would just drive over me.
diesel is less refined then petrol so you get more emmissions but they are more efficient than petrol.
and i dont read the irish times its a rag, i do physics and geography so we are being thought about oil reserves and peak oil by our 'fantasic' education system.
and i seem to have met a bigger prick already maybe you should have done your leaving cert you smart arse, biased old fart

Hagar

Things warming up nicely I see. Won't be long now.:D

Robbo

Nomex underwear at the ready...

RoundyMooney

I've got my flak jacket here.

/pats

The LC forum is responsible for more idiotic posts on boardsie than The Cuckoos Nest.

<disclaimer-this is not a blanket criticism of the LC forum>

Rabies

*Looks out window*
Three 4x4's sitting in the yard. Mam's, Dad's and a spare

I think I can see the pitch forks coming over the hill now. Not too long more.

maidhc

godfather69er wrote:

my mini has a six point roll cage,

so....

...where do you fit then?

colm_mcm

My basis for saying that the peoples complaints about 4X4's are often due to the fact that they can't afford them is based on working in the motor trade and talking to people, not on any prejudice.

TempestSabre

Its hard to make a case for any car on enviromental grounds. A Diesel 4x4 is better then many family saloon cars for mpg.

ds20prefecture

godfather69er wrote:

my mini has a six point roll cage, its made of thickish steel.if a mini hit a modern car head on it would make **** of the newer car. however a jeep would just drive over me.

It would make ****e of the newer car and you. Newer cars are designed to absorb and deflect the impact of an accident around the occupants. The Mini was not.

diesel is less refined then petrol so you get more emmissions but they are more efficient than petrol.

While diesel's particulate emissions are much higher than petrol's, its CO2 is much lower. Newer diesels have particulate filters (including the one in the C3). Also, because diesel needs less refining from crude, you use less crude to yield a litre, making it much more efficient than petrol. I don't know how you sleep at night burning up mother earth's resources at such a rate!

i do physics and geography so we are being thought about oil reserves and peak oil by our 'fantasic' education system.

Such a shame they don't teach tolerance of other people's rights, or open mindedness, or plain manners.

BTW: My car does less than 20mpg and emits more harmful byproducts than about 3 SUVs combined. I loathe SUVs, and would rather burn myself to death than buy one. I would argue until the cows come home that a good estate meets the same need for 80% of people who buy SUVs. But I would do my level best to avoid the sweeping, bigoted, ill-informed and naive points you made in your original post. People have the right to chose whatever car they want. If you don't like it, why not move to North Korea where they don't?

Then again, I am a biased old fart.... I suppose 36 is old to someone with a mental age of 12.

godfather69er

ds20prefecture wrote:

It would make ****e of the newer car and you. Newer cars are designed to absorb and deflect the impact of an accident around the occupants. The Mini was not.

While diesel's particulate emissions are much higher than petrol's, its CO2 is much lower. Newer diesels have particulate filters (including the one in the C3). Also, because diesel needs less refining from crude, you use less crude to yield a litre, making it much more efficient than petrol. I don't know how you sleep at night burning up mother earth's resources at such a rate!


Such a shame they don't teach tolerance of other people's rights, or open mindedness, or plain manners.

BTW: My car does less than 20mpg and emits more harmful byproducts than about 3 SUVs combined. I loathe SUVs, and would rather burn myself to death than buy one. I would argue until the cows come home that a good estate meets the same need for 80% of people who buy SUVs. But I would do my level best to avoid the sweeping, bigoted, ill-informed and naive points you made in your original post. People have the right to chose whatever car they want. If you don't like it, why not move to North Korea where they don't?

Then again, I am a biased old fart.... I suppose 36 is old to someone with a mental age of 12.

i am going to be the one with the mental age of 12 and walk away:rolleyes: after i have one last attempt to point it out to you.
look, if you crash at 50mph yo are ****ed anyway unless your in a abrahams tank.
i am no hippy i would happily drive a 69 7l v8 mustang if i could have one as they are better use of big v8 engines at least you get some fun and dont give people the impression of a dry ****e biased old fart. as im a impressionable 12 year old you should listen to me on impressions as most others must get that impression too.
wh wha what about filters?? your point just highlights how stupid you are what do you do with these 'filters' when they are finished??ya didnt think of that did yo?? surely they are really toxic and will be dumped in the sea or in a ditch since we live in ireland.
sure **** it we should run our cars on ethanol, at least youd get a amazing performance.

oh ye i dont have back seats in it and im only 5'7 so i fit in nobother.

and yes you are a biased old fart and ill throw in arrogant too for free.

ds20prefecture

godfather69er wrote:

as im a impressionable 12 year old you should listen to me on impressions as most others must get that impression too.
wh wha what about filters?? your point just highlights how stupid you are what do you do with these 'filters' when they are finished??ya didnt think of that did yo?? surely they are really toxic and will be dumped in the sea or in a ditch since we live in ireland.

What an erudite, lucid and well made point. I take it you're avoiding honours/higher level english for the Leaving then?

Do the world a favour - the next time you dig your head out of your ass for more than 5 minutes, think about what you say before you say it. You don't give a damn about emissions, but you expect SUV owners to. You don't care that your car could inflict more damage on another car, but you expect SUV owners to. You believe the world and its mother are arrogant pricks, while you neatly define the meaning of the phrase. Having people (?) like you speaking out against 4x4s is like having Gary Glitter as a babysitter. No thanks, I'd rather have the 4x4s.

KELTICKNIGHTT

just got my first 4x4 AS was using one from work before that
as far as mpg,does better than petrol cars and afraid had to tax and insure my self
most people use 4x4 or vans with deiesel engines for work
dont knock what you dont understand when it comes to people who use 4x4
sure they are people who use 4x4 for other who are young ones who daddys bay for 4x4 and tax and insure it,but only small percentage as 90 % are used by people for work
and when the day comes when fuel runs out ,there will still be 4x4 and vans and cars run another fuel as you know ,so get used to it

godfather69er

ds20prefecture wrote:

What an erudite, lucid and well made point. I take it you're avoiding honours/higher level english for the Leaving then?

Do the world a favour - the next time you dig your head out of your ass for more than 5 minutes, think about what you say before you say it. You don't give a damn about emissions, but you expect SUV owners to. You don't care that your car could inflict more damage on another car, but you expect SUV owners to. You believe the world and its mother are arrogant pricks, while you neatly define the meaning of the phrase. Having people (?) like you speaking out against 4x4s is like having Gary Glitter as a babysitter. No thanks, I'd rather have the 4x4s.

look you are not understanding the point of my thread and this is goin way off the point.
i wanted to see what the attraction to them is????? if you read my first post what the emissions are is just one point.
i do care wat damage i inflict that is why i cycle pretty much everywhere as i am scared of destroying my car.
well from what i see and hear when on the roads and in work id say 2 in every 5 people are ignorant idiots.(i park on the grass verge because i cant park on the road???? what the ****, there are others living in this country apart from you ya nob)btw you isnt referring to yourself its to the owner of the vehicle on the path/grass.
and i am taking honours everything which i dont see what has to do with this thread and neither does gary glitter

the point of people in business using them is perfectly acceptable and diesel engines can run on nearly anything with the mods.
but where i live the place is full of 2 wheel drive, hyundais,BMW X5,Range rovers with little middle aged oooumpa loompas behind the wheel.
last night i was ran off the road by one on my bike,my bike has off road lights,i was wearing bright colours, she said she didnt see me!!!
well i dont think that will hold up if the guards were involved

also i know the roads were ****e to begin with but they are starting to get even worse as these things increase,

colm_mcm

The appeal is quite simple:

High driving position
Big wheels less likely to be damaged
Go anywhere ability
Image


Simple as that.

TempestSabre

As a kid I aways wanted a fall guy 4x4.

http://community-2.webtv.net/mikecathycody/THEFALLGUYALLPICS/page3.html



You seem to think you need a practical reason to own one. Why?

The Doktor

whats the attraction for people wanting 4x4s? same reason you want a mini, and others want a BMW, or a ferrari.. or whatever

Personally, I wouldnt take a mini if you gave me one for free..just doesnt do it for me. But Id take a Ferrari...:D

colm_mcm

Just so you know, X5's and Range Rovers are in fact 4 wheel drive........

TempestSabre

So an Subaru Imprezza or an Audi Quattro, WV 4Motion etc. Theres even a Fiat Panda 4x4.

godfather69er

ok they are 4x4,but still a heap of ****. but if i needed a jeep id go for either the toyota landcruiser or the land rover(the one with snorkel on it to drive in deep water) they are proper jeeps designed to go off road in africa and oz.

as for the scooby an fiat panda, the scooby is a rallycar at heart bit of a deathtrap if you want 4x4 its perfect a savage car, and fiat panda well, lets just say nothing to be safe.;)


so from what i have learned here is
the 4x4 is a valuable and useful vehicle if you are a builder etc.

people who use them for comuting are just using them for the driving height and because they are trendy????

it says alot about a part of irish society:

they want to be high up to look down on people. (ignorant and snotty reflects on their personality)

Trendy.. well since i see them in american tv shows mostly driven by the sexy milf, this tells me that these people are so insecure that they have to spend all that money on a jeep to feel like a fictional american.
i suppose this is reinforced if you take a look at what they wear and the fake tan and hairstyle.

so in ireland it is trendy to be somebody you are not.

TempestSabre

godfather69er wrote:

ok they are 4x4,but still a heap of ****. but if i needed a jeep id go for either the toyota landcruiser or the land rover(the one with snorkel on it to drive in deep water) they are proper jeeps designed to go off road in africa and oz.

as for the scooby an fiat panda, the scooby is a rallycar at heart bit of a deathtrap if you want 4x4 its perfect a savage car, and fiat panda well, lets just say nothing to be safe.;)

You obviously know little about cars. But lets ignore that.

godfather69er wrote:

so from what i have learned here is
the 4x4 is a valuable and useful vehicle if you are a builder etc.

people who use them for comuting are just using them for the driving height and because they are trendy????

it says alot about a part of irish society:

If its an Irish thing then why are they so popular everywhere around the world.

godfather69er wrote:

they want to be high up to look down on people. (ignorant and snotty reflects on their personality)

By that logic if you are in a low car like a ferrari you don't look down on people? Someone driving a truck must think they are a fine thing altogether.

godfather69er wrote:

Trendy.. well since i see them in american tv shows mostly driven by the sexy milf, this tells me that these people are so insecure that they have to spend all that money on a jeep to feel like a fictional american.
i suppose this is reinforced if you take a look at what they wear and the fake tan and hairstyle.

so in ireland it is trendy to be somebody you are not.

Its not an Irish. People like toys. If you can afford them, expensive toys. Basically you begrudge anyone who has some money and can afford one.

Thats just snobbery.

godfather69er

TempestSabre wrote:

You obviously know little about cars. But lets ignore that.



If its an Irish thing then why are they so popular everywhere around the world.



By that logic if you are in a low car like a ferrari you don't look down on people? Someone driving a truck must think they are a fine thing altogether.



Its not an Irish. People like toys. If you can afford them, expensive toys. Basically you begrudge anyone who has some money and can afford one.

Thats just snobbery.

ok well then the world must be 'americanised'

do you buy a 18 wheeled truck to commute?? no you buy it to work, nobody at all buys them in this country to bring the kids to school so your point about trucks is bull crap,

and what have i said wrong about cars???? sorry for my comment on a fiat but from what i have seen and heard the electrics in them may have been designed by a kid and they are overpriced tat, that muppets buy to put a stereo in.
the scooby is a exec/family car with 4wheel drive and a 2l mpi flat4 turbo engine, a better use of 4x4 tech

The Doktor

Can you tell me why you have a mini?

junkyard

I've heard enough, does any snob here want to buy my X5? Ffs man, if you drive a mini you'll know how bad the roads are, especially around Cork and Kerry, thats the main reason people buy 4x4's because they are safer and better able to survive bad roads. Your notions of people who drive 4x4's being snob's are from another planet where you seem to spend a lot of time.

TempestSabre

godfather69er wrote:

ok well then the world must be 'americanised'

do you buy a 18 wheeled truck to commute?? no you buy it to work, nobody at all buys them in this country to bring the kids to school so your point about trucks is bull crap,

and what have i said wrong about cars???? sorry for my comment on a fiat but from what i have seen and heard the electrics in them may have been designed by a kid and they are overpriced tat, that muppets buy to put a stereo in.
the scooby is a exec/family car with 4wheel drive and a 2l mpi flat4 turbo engine, a better use of 4x4 tech

Maybe your view of the world is...'Americanized'

You simply made the point about height, nothing about bringing the kids to school. Either your point about height is valid or its a crock 'O'... If you are talking about bring kids to school, whats the safe alternative to a 4x4? A mini? A School Bus? Ummmm.

Fiat - maybe in the 80's that was true. But not now. Fiats produce some great cars with some cracking diesels. How are they overpriced? I would consider them some of the cheapest cars around, loaded with kit. Not a VW, but then you don't pay VW prices either. What are they over priced compared to? A Kia?

Does the Giugiaro Design Centre employ kids then?

scooby - How does dire fuel economy, high insurance, thief magnet make it a good exec/family car? How is using a Rally car a better use than a 4x4? A scooby as much a indulgence IMO.

KELTICKNIGHTT

wondering if person who started this post is for real or a bit of joker
as everyone knows to in ireland which is old news,there more money around where all people drive better car,4x4,sports car,etc,more new on roads these days
you can find fault with everything these day including bikes and minis
reasond for people for using 4x4 differ from each person weather its for work or family or just like to drive 4x4
my wife considers a bigger car or 4x4 safer to drive with the kids rather than small car and its choice and what you feel safe with,unless your in this position you will never fully understand it,as other also pointed out ,irish roads outside city are crap and also in some city roads as always ripping them up ,4x4 handle theses conditions better than a car and not bad on mpg as some cars,there alot of roads where you would not use a bike ,you would have to use a car or 4x4 or people carrier,you would have to use your mini,but l suspect you should know this,l think you abit of **** stirer,maybe where you use you bike the roads are smooth and easy to get around traffic,alot of use dont have things that easy
also some of you bike users have alot of bad habits too,as seen on some forums,you no better when it comes to manners on roads,
l would say you losing here as it wont change peoples views,as people needs are different in ther life in what they drive
as mccolm said it in a few lines back in thread
but l sure ,you still repeat it again ,over and over
as you can also see cars ,4x4 and trucks, and people carriers are getting bigger in size
a 4x4 is a all rounder for all types of use,and will get more popular in use by others,as l said before ,you can find faults with everything ,in cluding your bike and mini

joolsveer

Bull Rush in rural Dublin 15



Tough in the Park

TempestSabre

Commercial vehicles aren't allowed in the park. Bet hes happy you posted his licence plate too.