UFC:59 - Fight Card!

master_kennette

Hey guys to those who watch UFC. here is the UFC:59 Fight Card. It's a rematch between Arlovski and Sylvia. This will be a good match. One question are the vampy teeth of Arlovski fake?

DC

Looks like a good card, especially the top two with sylvia v arlovski and griffin (from ultimate fighter) v tito ortiz.

Yes, those are not his real teeth. It's his mouth guard. I think Arlovski definitely has too much for sylvia. I thought Sylvia made hard enough work of beating Silva (the Brazillian) in his last fight, though I thought he deserved to win. Arlovski is just an awesome all round fighter.

It will be interesting to see how Griffin handles Ortiz. Griffin has shown promise, but I think this will be his biggest test to date.

Can't say too much about the other fights. Some good fighters, but not two against each other that I am very familiar with.

I will look forward to seeing it on Bravo/Player channel.

slicus ricus

LOL, there not Vampi teeth - thats just a design on his mouthguard!!!

Tbh, I dont see why Tim Sylvia deserves a shot - in the last fight Arlovski DESTROTED him - expect this one to be just as one sided.

Marcio Cruz is the man to look out for on that card when it comes to the heavyweight division. He was world bbj champion a few times and was so highly regarded that the UFC gave him his debut in MMA - practically all fighters fight in smaller promotions before making it to UFC. He also beat Frank Mir a couple of months ago - he destroyed Mir ON THE GROUND, which is a very impressive feat! Jeff Monson will be a tough test for Cruz - if Cruz wins, id say he'll be next up for a shot at Arlovski. He deserves to be given a shot now instead of Sylvia IMO. Cruz all the way in this one.

Ortiz vs. Griffin should be an excellent fight - both fighters have a lot to prove in this one. Ortiz is the sure favourite but i wouldnt rule out an upset!

David Terrells fight should be good as well - like Ortiz, Terrell has a lot to prove.

Diaz vs. Sherk should be a good one as well - i gotta go with Diaz but it wont be easy for him against Sherk.

master_kennette

Arlovski will beat Tim Sylvia's ass, no question about it. He may have had the title handed to him, but he's defended it excellently so I say he'll win. As for Forrest Griffin and Tito Ortiz, I really like Forrest and I think he's a real good striker so I hope he beat's that smug punks ass, but Ortiz is a god fighter too & had more experience so he shouldn't be underestimated.

I'm also rooting for Nick Diaz in the Diaz/Sherk bout.

Dragan

slicus ricus wrote:

Marcio Cruz is the man to look out for on that card when it comes to the heavyweight division.

I don't know about this. He's getting hype because he took a ring rusty Mir who obviously was not back on form ( and lets be honest who was never the Champ of Champs either ) and beat him. Sure, it's a big name to beat, but it wasn't a big fight to win. It's not as if he won a total war with the guy.

As for Monson, Cruz and Monson have met in ADCC many times and Cruz has ALWAYS come off the worst of it.

Strikes may add a new dynamic to the fight however and Cruz may respond well to the Octagon setting. All in all, this will be a stomping fight i hope.

I'm looking for Sherk to stomp on Diaz. I just don't think Diaz has it as a contender for the title and I think Sean does. Diaz is losing matches but making no apparent improvement to his game.

master_kennette

Ah yes Diaz has been losing a lot lately and has to win to keep a career, so he might have the willpower advantage, but i really think it could go either way. I want to see Forrest win, but realistically I think Tito will. Forest is a hell of an animal though and a good fighter too, he may have the shot against Tito.

Dragan

I think too many people are underestimating Griffin. He is under no pressure for this fight, it's being considered his trial by fire and 99% of people expect Tito to walk it. I'm expecting a good close fought battle and i have faith in my boy and don't mind saying i think Forrest has the win in him. We will just need to wait and see.

And it's funny that we have both Diaz and Tanner on the same card, both having suffered some running loses and both needing a victory to keep there face in the game.

That said, i think Tanner can use it, i think Diaz is gonna get stomped!

master_kennette

I dunno I like Griffin but I think tito is going to win this match. I think Greefin has to stay away from the grap of tito.

Another match to look out for is the Cruz vs Monson fight. Cruz is getting hype because he took a ring Mir who is very rusty cuz he's not back on form, so Cruz beat him. Sure, it's a big name to beat, but it wasn't a big fight to win. Cruz got the win alright but it's not as if he won a total war with the guy.

Dragan

master_kennette wrote:

Another match to look out for is the Cruz vs Monson fight.

Monson and Cruz have met in ADCC and Cuz has never beat Monson. I think Monson somed it up the best with "He never has beaten me, he can't beat me. I'm feeling really good about this fight".

Monson has always been one to watch, it's just that the UFC kept letting him slip, now they may be lining him up for some title shot he might just stick around.

Oh yeah, and don't right off Griffin's grappling either. He weathered Jeremy Horn for a long time until Horn changed it up and got him with a sweet high kick! Should be a great fight!

fatal

just one question on my mind since it was announced....WHY THE **** PUT TITO INTO THE CAGE WITH GRIFFIN SO EARLY?????hes gonna get annihilated

master_kennette

Damn! I missed the UFN! Is it good? how was the fight? Well right now im just watching The Ultimate Fighter 3. And I think this will be a good season.

Dragan

fatal wrote:

just one question on my mind since it was announced....WHY THE **** PUT TITO INTO THE CAGE WITH GRIFFIN SO EARLY?????hes gonna get annihilated

Well it depends on what you consider early really. Don't forget that Forrest has beaten some pretty tough guys, and he has come close to beating a lot more. He beat Jeff Monson and he went toe to toe with Jeremy Horm ( one of the best grapplers going) and kept in there with him.

It's also worth noting that of Tito's last 6 fights, 2 were loses and 3 of the wins went to a decision. It it goes the whole way this time Forrest has more than enough time to knock Tito out or get the stoppage.

Finally is the mental issue. Forrest is not worried about this fight and he's not worried about Tito. He's not thinking, sh*t i have to beat Tito. Forrest is thinking what he always thinks "Cool, i get to fight"

It should be a good match, and i hope it will be a lot closer than people think it will be.

Finally, remember that Tito has had 16 pro fights, Forrest has had 14. It's really just that Tito's were on a bigger stage.

Iceman78

What channel is the UF3 on as i thought it was starting last night but when i was looking for it on bravo, it was nowhere to be seen.

Dragan

Iceman78 wrote:

What channel is the UF3 on as i thought it was starting last night but when i was looking for it on bravo, it was nowhere to be seen.

It's starting tonight dude, 10 on Bravo, 11 on Bravo+1.

It started last night in the states, so a 24 hour delay isn't so bad. The only think is dodging sherdog for the day so i don't find out what happened.

CaptainCharisma

Three words for UFC 59: Run Forrest Run!

fatal

just saw UF3......
Was so happy when that "irish" guy Ed Herman was amongst the first few to get picked by either tito or shamrock.
Really wanna see him get the **** kicked outta him...............He thinks hes SO much better than EVERYONE there...next episode hopefully:D

Wacker

I think that for the moment, all challengers to Arlovski will be marking time until Mir can get back in to proper shape and fight him. Sylvia's previous effort against Arlovski lasted about a minute, and that was the longest of his recent matches! I doubt Mir will do much better even when he is ready, but until he gets his shot, Arlovski still doesn't consider himself the proper champ, which is classy.

master_kennette

From what I see on TUF3. Tito looks like he's going to be a good coach compared to Shamrock. And from what I see, Griiffin don't have a chance against tito on UFC:59.

FiannaGym.com

I hope Tito wins, he's meant to be the soundest geezer in the UFC and he helped put it where it is today.

I hope tanner wins.

Monson and Pe De Pano should be deadly, I'll give the edge to Monson based on his intelligent political arguments.

Only twice in the UFC have the people I wanted to win actually won, GSP V Penn and Couture Vs Liddel 1. So I'd say these guys are all gonna win.

Arlovski by half (and therefore a humane) the beating that JLB would give silvia

Peace

john kavanagh

FiannaGym.com wrote:

I hope Tito wins, he's meant to be the soundest geezer in the UFC and he helped put it where it is today.

SBG TRAITOR!!!!lol:D

i've met and trained with Forrest and there is no one sounder haha....although i do think he has a serious up hill fight:eek:

GO FORREST!!!

dlofnep

I like Forrest, but Tito is going to chop him down like a tree.

HAHA, I kill me.

master_kennette

Tito should win, but I keep thinking about the Cote fight and how lack luster he was in it, so I am going Forest in a close call. So Forrest must keep a distance and when he get had a chance take it.

Valmont

I'm looking forward to Tito vs. Forrest, Sylvia vs. Arlovski, Sherk vs. Diaz and Tanner vs. Levens.

I hope sherk pounds Nick Diaz all the way out of the UFC, I'm sick of him.

I'll be rooting for Evan Tanner, if he loses this one he may be finished!
Hope he kicks ass!

master_kennette

that looks cool man!

As for Arlovski and Sylvia.

Arlovski is good in striking, ground and pound, and submissions. While Sylvia is a dangerous foe. He knows when to attack and how to do his tricks.

"Sherk By Submission" I dont think he will sub diaz.

Dragan

master_kennette wrote:

"Sherk By Submission" I dont think he will sub diaz.

I don't know, he has 13 Sub victories out of 29 wins. I can see him Subbing Diaz.

Roper

Diaz is over-rated. I think Riggs is journeyman and he took him. However Sherk's ahem.. altitudinal disadvantage might be the key here. I thik Diaz will knock him out or do enough damage standing to have it stopped.

Not that my predictions are ever worth a damn!

Dragan

Roper wrote:

Diaz is over-rated. I think Riggs is journeyman and he took him.

Yeah but in fairness Diaz maybe deserved the nod in that fight!!! I'm with you on him being overrated. Sherk on the other hand has a lot of potential. If he decides to really make a go of it, expect to see him get another title shot in the future. He did what a lot of people didn't and he survived against Hughes, granted picking up a pretty bad hiding a long the way!

Valmont

Sherk won't be fighting Hughes ever again. It has already been decided that he will drop down to fight at 155 after this fight. They need some established talent to get the division going.

He won't sub Diaz, how many of those 13wins were against BJJ brown belts?

Im thinking either a Unanimous decision for sherk or TKO round three, G'N'P.

Diaz won't be able to stop his takedowns even if he wants to keep it standing, then sherk will be where he does his thing.

greendiesel

Did anyone see UFC 59, is it just me or was Griffin robbed??

RealJohn

*** SPOILER *** (do I need to do that now that it's been on telly?)

No, Tito did enough. Clearly won the first round, lost the second and probably had the better of the striking in the third (certainly, Griffin didn't do enough) even before the takedown which made it easy for the judges. 29-28 all the way.

I felt bad for Griffin. He did well to survive that first round and he seems like a nice guy and was very gracious in defeat but I can't say Tito didn't deserve the win.

greendiesel

RealJohn wrote:

*** SPOILER *** (do I need to do that now that it's been on telly?)

No, Tito did enough. Clearly won the first round, lost the second and probably had the better of the striking in the third (certainly, Griffin didn't do enough) even before the takedown which made it easy for the judges. 29-28 all the way.

I felt bad for Griffin. He did well to survive that first round and he seems like a nice guy and was very gracious in defeat but I can't say Tito didn't deserve the win.

Yeah first round to Ortiz, dominant but not enough for a 10-8 score.
Griffin won the second 10-9.
Apart from the take down in the last round, Ortiz done nothing in the 2nd and 3rd.
Griffin was the more agressive in the last 10 minutes.
I really feel he done enough to win. :mad:

RealJohn

I suppose different people will see it differently but I really didn't think Griffin did anything near enough in the third to justify anything better than an even result on stand-up alone (and to be honest, if I had to pick the better striker based solely on that third round, I think I'd have picked Tito) so when the take-down came it left no doubt in my mind.

Vince135792003

You can make an argument for both men. It was a reallly good fight, great drama, great crowd heat. But it is a win win situation for everyone really.

Forest has now become a legit, credible star. There were questions going in about him and he answered them.

Tito can now roll on to Ken Shamrock aslong as his injury holds and then to Liddell once he more than likely beats Ken.

UFC have more big money fights now they can make and 12 months down the line they can do a rematch and it'll do big business.

mikeruurds

Well... at least the heavyweight division is no longer a one horse race.

I was really hoping that Alovski would kick Sylvia's butt, but in hindsight I think it's a good thing for the UFC for the the heavyweight division to be wide open again.

Mike

Dragan

I called Forrest to beat Tito, most likely the only person on the net who did without any emotional investment, i just felt that Tito's main weapon wouldn't work. As such it didn't , many men would have given up in the first round and Forrest simply kept on going and confirmed my reasons for having faith in the guy. The fight really boiled down to the last round, and even then it really boiled down to opinion, the striking was even enough, and Tito did score one take down ( followed by some pretty ineffective GnP as Forrest had found the trick of stuffing Tito's elbow strikes ) , but how many takedown attempts did Forrest Stuff?

All in all though, in my heart i think Forrest was robbed, but in my head i know that Tito did enough to win, he was the aggressive one, he was the one in control most of the time but if he was honest he will have felt like he lost. He talked a lot about putting Forrest away with ease and Forrest hung in there with him, just like he said he would. All in all, looking forward to seeing more from both of them in the future.

As for TS for AA, now that was a little bit shocking. In fairness to TS he survived one hell of a shot to the jaw and AA got a little confident, and in fairness if you lead with your chin against a guy who is a know counter puncher then your gonna go down.

Wacker

Arlovski will definately regret underestimating Sylvia. He landed a beaut of a shot, but then moved in for the kill too quickly and paid the price. It was great to see Sylvia challenging Mir after the fight too.

Dragan

Wacker wrote:

It was great to see Sylvia challenging Mir after the fight too.

Yeah but you have to ask why. Is it because he knows that Mir is sub par now, and was never event he best HW champ, and he wants to beat him and do what Arlovski never got to do and make AA championship run seem irrelevant?

I have no doubt that the next time AA and TS meet that Arlovski will get the belt back, it's just a matter how how many defences against other people Sylvia will be given until then. Personally i can almost see a Mir vs Monsoon fight before anything else happens in the division. And AA may have a rematch clause in his contract, i'm not sure.

goo

Dragan wrote:

Yeah but you have to ask why. Is it because he knows that Mir is sub par now, and was never event he best HW champ, and he wants to beat him and do what Arlovski never got to do and make AA championship run seem irrelevant?

I'd say it has a lot more to do with how Sylvia had an injury that took him months and months to recover from too. And yeah, I doubt he's too scared of him either.

Dragan wrote:

I have no doubt that the next time AA and TS meet that Arlovski will get the belt back, it's just a matter how how many defences against other people Sylvia will be given until then.

I like Arlovski a lot, but his last few wins weren't exactly the stuff of legend. One good punch on Paul Buentello and then that one lad who destroyed his own leg. This thread is full of people dismissing Tim Sylvia which is a bit ridiculous. He's clearly one of the most talented heavyweights going, especially considering his size...the amount of donkeys you get in the UFC, successful because they're six and a half foot tall. Sylvia's a very smart puncher, he's got grand jiu jitsu and the fact he's taller than practically everyone makes him hugely dangerous (just look at the fact that Marcio Cruz can hold Jeff Monson just because he's tall). A lot of people were obviously basing their predictions on this match from what happened in Arlovski vs. Sylvia 1 and that's exactly what happened, someone made a mistake and got knocked out too early. I'm looking forward to the rematch, which there's bound to be as they're the two clear champions in the division, and I hope it lasts for more than three minutes this time.

Marcio Cruz is crap, his fight against Frank Mir was horrible to watch. I liked the match against him and Monson just because I like Monson and it was fun to see what it takes to hold him back, a Jiu Jitsu champion and a ruler's length given up in height.

Glad Evan Tanner won and won so well. Bit silly to be saying he had to win to keep his place in the UFC. I know it's normally three losses in a row and you're gone but his losses were against Loiseau for cuts (and he's open about how he likes to win fights with elbows, and he's very good at it) and Rich Franklin, who is the current champion because of that match. Worst case scenario he'd have gone to Japan and come back in year. Regardless of it being his third in a row, though, if he'd lost to Justin Levens he'd have deserved to be shot.

Dragan

goo wrote:

Bit silly to be saying he had to win to keep his place in the UFC.

Not really though, if he had lost to Levens, or Horn if Horn had of not been injured then he would have lost his spot plain and simple and would have had to fight his way back into contention for the title.

Right now he is poised as another legitimate fighter to face Franklin when his hand heals, and due to the lenght of time Franklin will be out, and the fact that Tanner went through this fight with minimal damage you can expect to see him fight again before Franklin comes back. It's really just a question of who he will fight.

With Carlos Newton rumoured to be making a return to the UFC at 185 who knows?

The reason i think the AA will have the belt back after they next fight is simply because i see him as the better fighter than Tim. I think his conditioning is better, his strikes are better, his ground work is better. People always seem to question his chin but hey, a shot clean on the jaw will put you down plain and simple.

I would hardly called AA the best HW in UFC history, and no way was i buying the hype, i just couldn't find a reason why TS would beat him physically and sure enough i was right. Arlovski losts that match due to mental reasons, hell you can even call in spiritual if you want ( based on the way Big Tim worships that belt!!! ) but at the end of the day he assumed the fight was over when it wasn't and he paid the price. As far as i'm concerened that very loss will either be the begining or the end of AA. It will either eat him alive or just drive him on to train and to fight TO HIS POTENTIAL, not just to get by like he has been.

All in all I'm glad that Tim got the belt back, i think it was important to him that he do it clean because after the failed test it through a shadow over his title reign.