First hand Fitz EOM €250......

BigDragon

On the button with KdKh (25/50 with 5k stack) UTG limps MP limps and I make it 225. BB amd UTG call.

Flop Qd5d5c.

UTG bets 800. I re-raise to 2k. BB folds. UTG thinks for a while and calls.

Turn 2d UTG goes all-in.

What you do here with absolutely no read on this guy as youve never played him but seen him play the €100 Ommie only cash game before.

fuzzbox

Fold he has QQ
Why did you raise the flop?






*actually I usually call this , but I wish I could fold . Maybe he has AdQx and you can win.

ollyk1

I call. Why is he pushing? Because hes pot commited to a draw and a pair.

He could have let you bet and reraised all-in with a nut flush or a house but he bet out.

I call.

gerire

ollyk1 wrote:

I call. Why is he pushing? Because hes pot commited to a draw and a pair.

He could have let you bet and reraised all-in with a nut flush or a house but he bet out.

I call.

I fully agree with this read.
CALL

Marq

Call. you either take his chips or you take a seat in the 100 omaha.
The first hand is the best hand to go out.

fuzzbox

ollyk1 wrote:

I call. Why is he pushing? Because hes pot commited to a draw and a pair.

He could have let you bet and reraised all-in with a nut flush or a house but he bet out.

I call.

Why did he lead pot on the flop, and then just call a raise. Stacks are 5k and he will have put in close to 2.5k thus far. Why does he decide to push now the diamond hit?

If he calls that raise, then either A. he is drawing (and just got there, although that is reduced in likelyhood due to the Kd in your hand and the Qd on the board and the UTG-ness of the player). B. he has a made hand and is not afraid of the draw (like QQ/55), C. He has the Ad AND a made hand (like Ad5x), so he pushes the turn either having the best hand or LOTS of outs if not (although pushing the flop would be better with this hand).

I find it hard to understand what sort of hand he would take this line with (apart from AdAx) .... actually, that makes sense with AA ... a LOT of sense.

Samba

It's a flush or a big can filled of air... on the very first hand, would they be so bold?

ollyk1

fuzzbox wrote:

Why did he lead pot on the flop, and then just call a raise. Stacks are 5k and he will have put in close to 2.5k thus far. Why does he decide to push now the diamond hit?

If he calls that raise, then either A. he is drawing (and just got there, although that is reduced in likelyhood due to the Kd in your hand and the Qd on the board and the UTG-ness of the player). B. he has a made hand and is not afraid of the draw (like QQ/55), C. He has the Ad AND a made hand (like Ad5x), so he pushes the turn either having the best hand or LOTS of outs if not (although pushing the flop would be better with this hand).

I find it hard to understand what sort of hand he would take this line with (apart from AdAx) .... actually, that makes sense with AA ... a LOT of sense.

I think its more likely AdQ based on the preflop smooth call. You could be right with AA but I really don't think its QQ. For it to be QQ hes lead out on the perfect flop to a preflop raiser and then when raised hes smooth called. Then when a scary flush comes he pushes? He's letting a lot of hands off the hook here with this play.

I don't think its A5o in a million years. For that to be the case hes limped utg with a terrible hand, called a raise oop and then after hitting does everything to get BigD to fold.

I know Dave folded this hand so maybe the smart thing to say is fold because thats what Dave did and he was probably right but I'm being honest I would have called. You've said fold Fuzz but that you probably would have called - which is it really?

I think its the smooth call of the 1200 more raise that is making this one tough and to be honest when I head BigDs post that the one thing I don't like about his play I make it 2.8k here on the flop.

Hitman Actual

I cant see anyone playing QQ like that pre-flop in that game, from my humble experience. Maybe AdQx or A5s (if he's poor enough to call with A5s pre-flop OOP after a raise). Not sure what I'd do on the turn... it's a tough one, for me anyway.

fuzzbox

ollyk1 wrote:

I think its more likely AdQ based on the preflop smooth call. You could be right with AA but I really don't think its QQ. For it to be QQ hes lead out on the perfect flop to a preflop raiser and then when raised hes smooth called. Then when a scary flush comes he pushes? He's letting a lot of hands off the hook here with this play.

I don't think its A5o in a million years. For that to be the case hes limped utg with a terrible hand, called a raise oop and then after hitting does everything to get BigD to fold.

I know Dave folded this hand so maybe the smart thing to say is fold because thats what Dave did and he was probably right but I'm being honest I would have called. You've said fold Fuzz but that you probably would have called - which is it really?

I think its the smooth call of the 1200 more raise that is making this one tough and to be honest when I head BigDs post that the one thing I don't like about his play I make it 2.8k here on the flop.

What I think you should do ... and what I think I would do are sometimes different .

Questions I have are: why does he lead for pot .... when he leads and gets raised ... why does he call? (if he has fd, he should push or fold really). When the turn brings a flush card ... why does he push?

Why do you raise to 2.8k on this flop? What are you afraid of?

I mean, he limps UTG, then smooth calls a big raise, then leads full pot on a fairly innocuous flop ... and THEN calls a raise and THEN pushes. Hmmm


I prolly would call, but thats cos I suck ... but I dont think you beat too much.

Hitman Actual

To Fuzzbox: Regarding the flop raise, do call instead and try to get to a showdown as cheaply as possible?

fuzzbox

I'm suspicious of his lead, so I might call here. Raising isnt awful, thats for sure, but if he folds Qx and JJ-66 to a raise, then we haven't done a good job.

Kinda depends on the players though. If he will call me with any Q (as an awful lot of players are apt to do), then push .

ollyk1

Samba wrote:

It's a flush or a big can filled of air... on the very first hand, would they be so bold?

Thats why its so beautiful.