Bernard Dunne live on rte.ie

Dodge

http://www.rte.ie/sport/boxing/

RTE will be doing its first ever live sports webcast when they show Bernard Dunne's fight in Italy on Saturday night. The fight will be shown (delayed obviously) closer to midnight on RTE2.

Good development by RTE.

LegacyUser

it's actualy online toningt, 8pm

Running Bing

That was ****ing pathetic. Was it as bad for everyone else?(I have eircom broadband and a pretty good dell pc so theres no reason why it shouldnt have been decent). Stopping every couple of seconds and the picture becomeing all fuzzy, absolutely crap! Then it just stops completely during the 7th round:mad: This should have been live on TV full stop. Either RTE or setanta. That bleeding daniel odonnel gob****e on singing his arse off when one of Irelands top sporting prospects is competeing and its not even shown:mad: Very upsetting.

MBC

I watched the delayed coverage last night on Network 2(I think). Santillan wasn't up to much but he was dangerous at times (not on many occasions mind you) thought Bernard thought him a boxing lession from start to finish, but he was carrying his left hand low at times and got caught with an over hand right on a couple of occassions but nothing troubled him (maybe I was looking for faults because as usual there wasn't many).

Was happy to see him go the distance, as Dave "Boy" McAuley said, "he probably learnt more in that fight, than most of his previous stoppages" because he is getting the experience of going the full distance.

Another good win for Bernard, really hope he meets Michael Hunter for the European Title before the year is out......that would be a cracker.

How do you think Bernard would get on with Hunter????

Big Ears

The fight went okay , I didn't like how low Bernard's left was either but at times he boxed well and used a good double jab . One thing that worries me is that most of the shot slipping and rolling bernard did , he was able to do because the other guys reach was much shorter . Against a guy with a longer reach and equal speed he could have problems .

I would fancy Dunne against Hunter , Hunter does have that long reach and underated boxing skills but I feel he can be caught a bit easily at times and with Dunne's body work he would be slowed down .

Oh and Dunne is fighting again on the 3rd of June at the National Stadium .

walshb

I hate criticising Dunne but the opposition was a farce, blown up Light Fly. They said he was Fly champ of Argentina, hardly stiff opposition. Dunne couldn't take him out. He is 26 now and has yet to be tested, apart from the guy that close on KO'd him last year in the stadium. Dunne to me just doesn't excite and has one gear only. He's pushed back too easy and when he faces a guy with a punch and chin, he's going to find it extremely difficult. I hope he does well, but to be honest I feel he's going nowhere as regards real titles, he just lacks the real championship material, like a KO shot, solid soild chin and real stamina.


As for Duddy and Macklin, I was quite impressed, two solid hitters, especially Macklin. Real Middles with power. Great fight between those two

FrankGrimes

reading that post walshb is like hearing George Hook criticise Ireland sometimes - its not what you want to hear but deep down inside you know there's a lot of truth in it.

Bernard is too interested in the showmanship - the ridiculously low left guard is an example of this (though it does give him good leverage for those powerful left hooks to the body which are his trademark). I think he is exciting to watch, though I get pretty nervous watching him sometimes cos I think he's leaving gaps a top fighter would expose. The frequent cuts are worrying too.

I think he will win the European title and maybe even get a WBA title someday, but the real world titles might be just beyond him which is a pity. I think he's a very good figther and does have the potential to snatch a world title for a brief spell, but I'm not convinced he'll realise his full potential unless he focuses on winning more so than looking good. Ironically, I think the best thing for him at the moment is to lose a fight - that'd either make him or break him.

Agree Duddy v Macklin would be a great fight as both look very good. Duddy looks to be a lot bigger though. It won't happen for a long time but it'd be a great fight.

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

As for Duddy and Macklin, I was quite impressed, two solid hitters, especially Macklin. Real Middles with power. Great fight between those two

Macklin isn't a real middle , infact he's fighting Jamie Moore for the British Light Middleweight title in his next fight .

Santillan has been a career long Super Flyweight and has faught at Bantamweight and S.Bantamweight , his last S.Flyweight fight was only 7 months ago so he is genuinely blown up and obviously not a natural bantamweight . He is the current S.American S.Fly champ but last in his last defence of the Argentinian title .

walshb

Well Bernard's opponent regardless of what he was was pretty useless to be honest, an absolute pushover with nothing whatsoever to offer as regards being a threat. No punch, no height, strength or even decent speed.

Macklin was fighting as a middle the other night I'm almost sure. Hev looked very strong

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

Well Bernard's opponent regardless of what he was was pretty useless to be honest, an absolute pushover with nothing whatsoever to offer as regards being a threat. No punch, no height, strength or even decent speed.

Macklin was fighting as a middle the other night I'm almost sure. Hev looked very strong

Ya he was fighting at middle , but most fighters will be a weight above the weight they want to fight for titles at when it's only a regular 'bout' with nothing on the line .

I agree about Santillan he wasn't up to much .

megadodge

Afraid I have to agree re. Dunne's 'real' (Frank Grimes - is WBA not 'real' anymore ?) World title aspirations.
He just won't be able to hack it in the physical stakes when it goes past the middle rounds.

I hope I'm wrong as he's drummed up a lot of publicity in Ireland and miraculously got RTE back televising boxing, but I just can't see him ever going beyond European level.

Big Ears

I think Frank wins he might win the WBA regular title while someone else is WBA 'super champ' but I also have huge doubts over wheather he will get to the real thing .

I definetly thing Dunne can and will beat Hunter but after seeing Sithchatchawal v Monshipor recently and seeing Larios v Vasquez a while back Dunne is simply no where near that level . I don't know how good Ponce De Leon is but WBO do rank worse fighters higher than the other organisations so maybe Dunne's best route is the WBO .

But there's not a chance in hell of him beating Vasquez or Sithchatchawal .
Larios is moving up to fight Pacquaio and Monshipor is retiring so that does leave room for people to emerge as the top fighters in the division but I don't think Dunne nor Hunter or any else at European level is going to be able to rise to the challenge .

walshb

Frank, I'm assuming by WBA, you are referring to the title McGuigan won in 1985, which was possibly the strongest title of the three main ones at that time. Surely you do not believe Dunne is capable of landing that title? Although maybe as a previous POSTER said, you are referring to some other title. Like you said Frank, it's a bit like Hook criticising Ireland in rugby, but to be honest, they the Irish rugby team and Dunne are leagues apart. Dunne is a great lad, great confidence, and a credit to Ireland, but to any knowledgeable fight fans, he just won't hack it in the elite league. He lacks the real punch, chin and supreme stamina.

Big Ears

walshb wrote:

Frank, I'm assuming by WBA, you are referring to the title McGuigan won in 1985, which was possibly the strongest title of the three main ones at that time.

Just to clear this up. This is the same WBA sanctioning body that McGuigan won a title off(and is technically the same title) . The problem with all sactioning bodys is they come up with things like interim champions and 'super champions' to earn more sactioning fees(3% of each fighters purse) .

The WBA classify a 'Super Champion' as a someone who holds the WBA title +1(or more) of the other titles(WBC , IBF and WBO) . Ones someone becomes a 'super champion' the WBA have a vacant 'regular' title for the #1 and #2 ranked people in that division by the WBA to fight for . Instead of facing mandatories (which are usually required every 12 months) the WBA 'Super Champion' has to face the WBA 'regular' champion(within 18 months of when the 'regular champion wins his title)

Here's a really stupid bit(yes it's already rediculously stupid):If a WBA 'Super champion' is stripped of all other belts he has other than the WBA(eg if he had the IBF and was stripped of that) then he is also stripped of his 'Super Champion' status and has to fight the 'regular' champion to regain the WBA belt . An example of this is Juan Manuel Marquez who held the IBF and WBA title(therefore a 'Super Champion') . Since Marquez was a 'Super Champion' , the WBA needed a 'Regular' champion and Chris John was the fighter who won the belt . Becuase of promotional cock ups Marquez was stripped of his IBF title (meaning he was also stripped of his WBA 'Super Champion' title) . He then had to go to Indonesia(where John is from) to try and beat John for the WBA 'regular' title , he lost , albeit somewhat controversially and now has no title .

The first 'Super Champion' was Bernard Hopkins after he beat Felix Trinidad . Hopkins already held the WBC and IBF middleweight titles before beating Trinidad for the WBA . It was then that the WBA came up with this stupid idea(lets be honest a 6 year old could do better) to earn more sactioning fees . Hopkins was crowned 'Super Champion' and William Joppy faught Howard eastman for the vacant 'regular' title , Joppy won although many people give the fight to Eastman . After beating some Japenese guy that not many people have heard of Joppy the WBA 'regular' champion faced Hopkins the IBF , WBC champion and WBA 'Super Champion' , Joppy got schooled and lost badly .

5 months later Maselino Masoe faught Evans Ashira(ya that guy the Calzaghe beat with 1 hand) for the vacant WBA 'regular' title . Masoe won by TKO in the second . Because of injuries(I think) Masoe never got to fight Hopkins and instead by the time he had returned Jermain Taylor was the new 'Super Champion' . Taylor never bothered fighting Masoe (he intends to fight Winky right) so Masoe defend his WBA title against Felix Sturm , he lost a decision and Sturm is now the (proper)WBA champion , since Taylor has been stripped and only holds the WBC and WBO titles .

Ricky Hatton is a 'Super Champion' but is giving up his Light-Welterweight titles because he is moving up in weight . He is fighting for the WBA title at Welterweight against Luis Collazo who hold , but Collazo probably wouldn't be the WBA champion if it wasn't for this crazy 'Super Champion' thing .

Ricardo Mayorga was WBA champion and beat WBC champion Vernon Forrest making him a Super champion . After that Jose Antonio Rivera beat Michael Trabant for the vacant WBA 'regular' title . Mayorga lost both his titles to IBF champion Cory Spinks who became the new WBA Super champion . Spinks lost his 3 titles to Zab Judah making Judah the new WBA Super champion , while Jose Antonio Rivera lost his title to Luis Collazo .

Judah lost to Carlos Baldomir in a bout scheduled for the IBF , WBC and WBA belts , but Baldomir only payed the sanctioning fee for the WBC as he needs money . Because of that Collazo is now the sole WBA holder of a belt at Welterweight and the proper WBA champ(even though Baldomir deserves the title)

I hope I have not confused people too much and that some people have learned from this . I also hope it was interesting because I sure as hell didn't type all this up just for everyone to be bored reading it .

Dodge

Cheers Big Ears

Made my head hurt a little but thanks for the knowledge

FrankGrimes

thanks for that BigEars. I knew none of that beforehand but its intriguing stuff - just how ridiculous is the boxing setup getting eh?

When I said Dunne could win a WBA title I was regarding it as the fourth title, after the WBC, IBF, WBO titles. And hey, if Chris Byrd and John Ruiz can win WBA titles so can Bernard

stagolee

Wow thats complex. interesting though.
Big Ears, a question for you:
Consider this: fighterA wins the WBA then the WBO becoming superchampion, they then bring in fighterB to be "regular" champ. however fighterB then wins the WBC title, what happens then do we have 2 superchamps and a new regular champ? could we go up to 3 superchamps and a regular champ if fighterC wins the IBF?

madness....

Big Ears

stagolee wrote:

Wow thats complex. interesting though.
Big Ears, a question for you:
Consider this: fighterA wins the WBA then the WBO becoming superchampion, they then bring in fighterB to be "regular" champ. however fighterB then wins the WBC title, what happens then do we have 2 superchamps and a new regular champ? could we go up to 3 superchamps and a regular champ if fighterC wins the IBF?

madness....

I have considered that notion and tbh I don't know what they'd do . They'd probably have the 3 Super Champs and regular champ as that would equal more sanctioning fees , and that's the whole point of it .