uh oh what now!

Hectorjelly

Me and this villain have a lot of history. He is ok after the flop, but is far too loose preflop. I have made quite a bit of money from him, but mostly from small pots. (he calls my pfr and fold to aggression usually). We have played a few big hands together, Ive tilted my stack to him on one memorable occasion. I dont have much of a read on his play post flop, except that he isnt terrible.

I have K6 on the bb. 4 limpers including villain utg (which means nothing). The flop is 966 2 clubs. Sb checks and I bet 30. Villain makes it 90. Folded to the sb who calls all in . Action to me!

Edit to add we both have 700 behind and its 36.

ditpoker

Hectorjelly wrote:

Me and this villain have a lot of history. He is ok after the flop, but is far too loose preflop. I have made quite a bit of money from him, but mostly from small pots. (he calls my pfr and fold to aggression usually). We have played a few big hands together, Ive tilted my stack to him on one memorable occasion. I dont have much of a read on his play post flop, except that he isnt terrible.

I have K6 on the bb. 4 limpers including villain utg (which means nothing). The flop is 966 2 clubs. Sb checks and I bet 30. Villain makes it 90. Folded to the sb who calls all in . Action to me!

Edit to add we both have 700 behind and its 36.

my guess is you are worried about the flush draw, but not 99 or A6.. make him pay to see the turn... maybe a reraise of 100.. if he flat calls and a club comes on the turn, runaway! if he goes all in after a reraise i still think your ahead here based on the info, and its a call.. im happy to go in ahead for all my chips with a set off the flop and seconds highest kicker.

White Knight

I am thinking open ended straight flush draw. 7c8c

Calling utg just does not smell of a 6 imo, cant see 99 utg not raising and from your read cant see him slowplaying an over pair preflop

Hectorjelly

White Knight wrote:

Calling utg just does not smell of a 6 imo, cant see 99 utg not raising and from your read cant see him slowplaying an over pair preflop

he is loose passive. Utg means nothing to him. he could have a 6. he could have AA. He could have 99.

MrPillowTalk

Im going to raise in this spot, I dont think he will raise you there with a6 or 99.

Hectorjelly

MrPillowTalk wrote:

Im going to raise in this spot, I dont think he will raise you there with a6 or 99.

A pot raise? And if he pushes/reraises whats the plan?

MrPillowTalk

Im going to pot raise and if he calls Im going to push the turn.

If he comes over the top then it depends on yout read, I think he can have 67, 56, 68 as easily as a6 here, I think if he has 69 or a6 im just going to pay him off unless I have a read telling me he cant make a move.

Hectorjelly

Theres a player all in so if he pushes I doubt he has a draw

MrPillowTalk

Hectorjelly wrote:

Theres a player all in so if he pushes I doubt he has a draw

Yeah but I think he can push 67etc so I wouldnt be willing to drop it.

Lafortezza

Make it $250-$300 to go, push turn on a blank. Maybe.

hotspur

I don't agree that he won't raise there with A6 with 2 clubs and 4 players along for the ride, 99 would be terrible raise from him all right with draws to be had.
I think it's unlikely for him to be on a draw other than the 78 club straight flush draw that White Knight mentioned as raising in that spot with any other draw on a double low carded board that you bet would be bad.
So he prob has either x6, 7c8c, or a dumb high PP he was playing poorly.
This is where there's a huge difference between having A6 and K6, I don't like the sentiment that if he has A6 I'm playing him off $700, we've all done that too many times with trips and felt stupid. I'd make a raise and if he doesn't reraise then I think you can discount A6 and pot the turn and river if a club doesn't come.

MrPillowTalk

hotspur wrote:

I don't agree that he won't raise there with A6 with 2 clubs and 4 players along for the ride, 99 would be terrible raise from him all right with draws to be had.
I think it's unlikely for him to be on a draw other than the 78 club straight flush draw that White Knight mentioned as raising in that spot with any other draw on a double low carded board that you bet would be bad.
So he prob has either x6, 7c8c, or a dumb high PP he was playing poorly.
This is where there's a huge difference between having A6 and K6, I don't like the sentiment that if he has A6 I'm playing him off $700, we've all done that too many times with trips and felt stupid. I'd make a raise and if he doesn't reraise then I think you can discount A6 and pot the turn and river if a club doesn't come.

The only hands I think he can have that beat me are 69 or a6, I think its negative ev not to go with my line.

That said Im having my ass handed to me last couple of days in cash games so what do I know?

fuzzbox

If you think he will call with any 6 then raise.
If he wont call a raise with any 6, but he would push if you call with any 6, then call ... if he calls behind, then hope there is no flush card.

Raising here lets him play fairly perfectly, but its tough to avoid it at this point. Are you happy to go broke with K6 here?

AmarilloFats

Could you really stack him if he has an overpair here?
Could you really stack him if he has Q6 J6 or worse??
I play these hands passively on the flop and turn ..then reassess on river.

As Fuzzbox said, raising here lets him play perfect poker.

fuzzbox

Also - you said he was loose passive ... when a LP dude starts raising, I take notice !!

FastMachine

I'd call here and lead out with a decent bet on the turn. If he goes all in, with his stack size I'd fold and give him credit for a house or straight/flush if one materialises on the turn. I've often seen flopped houses played like this as when the villain knows the other guy is betting his trips there's no need for him to slowplay, he'll try and get as much money in as soon as possible. If he just calls the turn, well then there's he's probably drawing or he could have the set with a lower kicker. As you have a bit of history with the villain he could be making a move on you but if you call and lead out the turn, his response should be enough to give you all the info you need to know where you stand.

Hectorjelly

AmarilloFats wrote:

Could you really stack him if he has an overpair here?
Could you really stack him if he has Q6 J6 or worse??
I play these hands passively on the flop and turn ..then reassess on river.

As Fuzzbox said, raising here lets him play perfect poker.

Overpair - no I doubt it
Q6/J6 - maybe

MrPillowTalk

Some good points about letting the opponent play perfect poker, I still probably raise but I reckon calling and leading a non flush turn card might be as good a line as suggested. Like I say my game isnt top notch at the mo.

Hectorjelly

Well thats what I felt at the time, my hand is strong but if I 3 bet im really unlikely to be called by a worse hand. Anyway I called, the turn is a king, which doesnt change things too much as I was mostly worried about 99; but now draws arent a worry. I bet out 100 he called. I bet 200 on a CLUB river and he folded, so god knows what he had.