nuts

kop75

ok so out comes the flop and youve got the nuts,its perfect.
what do you do?
i ask this because i seem to be making a fcuk of this lately,i try trap checking,all in bit by bit..nothings happening.

RoundTower

All in no matter how deep. Either that or min bet the flop, min bet the turn, and immediately push the river regardless of what card comes up.

Ste05

Depends on what the board is like. Give an example, but generally just bet normally, as you would if you had TPTK, or a draw or something not quite so strong. Oftentimes betting out can be more deceptive than check calling,

kop75

RoundTower wrote:

All in no matter how deep.

every time?
even on a tight table?

ianmc38

kop75 wrote:

every time?
even on a tight table?

Even better on a tight table.

The_Chopper

Obviously it depends on what the nuts is. If it's a straight or a set I'd just bet it straight out, about 2/3 off the pot and see what happens.
If it's a flush I'd check raise or bet it out from late position.
If it's a house, quads or higher, I'd check call the flop, maybe the turn also. From there I'd see how much I can make on the river

califano

Depends on what sort of flop 'the nuts' was for you and appeared to everyone else?. Sometimes a 'nuts flop' for you will rarely pay you off well for example AAA or KK4 or 3 of a suit. Many times its not because you 'make a fcuk of it' as you put it. Sometimes its just the way it is. Ones expectation is to bust someone on this hand but it rarely happens because a nuts flop for you is a scary flop for others.

Ian147100

Define 'nuts'. I think that's one of the most non-specific posts I've seen in an eternity. No mention of whether it's tournament or cash, hold 'em or hi-lo split. If you're holding J2 and the flop is JJ2 of course you check it, every time, anyone would. However, in Omaha, you can sometimes flop the nuts and be happy to lay it down to bets, and raises into you knowing that the chances of it holding up against bigger draws are slim and knowing that even in the best case scenario you're only likely to be splitting it anyway. Take hold 'em however, you're holding JQ in the small blind, few limpers, you limp, no raise, flop of 8 9 10 rainbow, you've the nuts, in my opinion anyone who bets out at this under the gun is mad, I'd be checking it hoping to get paid, if someone has a set they'll go to war with it anyway, me betting won't make them lay it down, so the point is pretty academic, it depends on the individual situation you're in.

ianmc38

Ian147100 wrote:

If you're holding J2 and the flop is JJ2 of course you check it, every time, anyone would. .

I wouldn't

Culchie

You beat me to it Ian.

Ste05

Ian147100 wrote:

Define 'nuts'. I think that's one of the most non-specific posts I've seen in an eternity.

huh? The nuts is the nuts, end of story, there should be no need to define it. By the sounds of your post you play all kinds of Poker so you should know what the "nuts" is.

Ian147100 wrote:

No mention of whether it's tournament or cash, hold 'em or hi-lo split.

What odds does that make. You either have the nuts or not, maybe if you want to be pedantic, the OP might have re-phrased it to be "the stone cold nuts" but seriously if you have the nuts you have the nuts what ever game it's in.

Ian147100 wrote:

If you're holding J2 and the flop is JJ2 of course you check it, every time, anyone would.

I might bet, who knows, I might go all-in, it depends on the situation.

But welcome to the Poker Forum.

EDIT: Goddammit, beaten to the punch yet again. I'm such a slow typist..

Gholimoli

kop75 wrote:

ok so out comes the flop and youve got the nuts,its perfect.
what do you do?
i ask this because i seem to be making a fcuk of this lately,i try trap checking,all in bit by bit..nothings happening.

u cant really comment on this question.
it depends on alot of things.
how many others in the hand?
has the pot been raised?
what is your position?
what are the other players like?
how liekly is your hand to be outdrawn?
the objective is obviously to get as much as you can out of it but how you do it depends on alot of other factors like above.
sometimes going all in or over betting the pot will get you a call and sometimes a check raise will do it.but you can comment like that.
but betting out in general can never be wrong.

fixer

Ste05 wrote:

huh? The nuts is the nuts, end of story, there should be no need to define it. By the sounds of your post you play all kinds of Poker so you should know what the "nuts" is.

nuts on the flop vs unbreakable nuts that will hold up thru the river. Flopped straight compared to flopped house.

J2 on a JJ2 board...how much would you kick yourself when JT hits a T on the turn and you keep trying to trap him?

Ste05

fixer wrote:

nuts on the flop vs unbreakable nuts that will hold up thru the river. Flopped straight compared to flopped house.

J2 on a JJ2 board...how much would you kick yourself when JT hits a T on the turn and you keep trying to trap him?

just keep reading my post and you'll see I refer to the "Stone Cold Nuts" in the next paragraph. The nuts is the best possible hand using all available cards. End of Story. Bar a flopped straight flush or Quad A's there is no flopped nuts that can't be out drawn.

Obviously the OP's post wasn't very well phrased, but I don't think flaming a newb is necessary. Especially by another new poster.

Iceman78

This post just reminds me of a hand i saw on Challenge from first day, first level of WSOP main event 2005.

One player has 10/10 in early position and puts a raise in, folded around to BB who calls with A10.

Flop comes down AA10, player with 10s thinks he has nuts and is trapping now but it is checked on flop and then turn comes a rag. All chips go in middle now after a few reraises and the poor lad with pocket 10s is sick when cards are turned over.

Anyone see any way that he could get off this hand at this stage of event.

Ste05

Only possibly because he was up against Freddie Deeb (I think) and he's not going all in on the first hand without the Nuts.

Drakar

fixer wrote:

nuts on the flop vs unbreakable nuts that will hold up thru the river. Flopped straight compared to flopped house.

Hmm, aren't the only "unbreakable nuts" on the flop a royal flush? A flopped house is not the nuts as it's beaten by 4 of a kind.

Iceman78

You may be right Ste about Freddy Deeb. I just remember the look on the fellas face when he saw Freddy turn over A10. It was so funny watching it on tv. Id say the players on the table could not believe the action when it happened so early on.

RoundTower

Iceman78 wrote:

This post just reminds me of a hand i saw on Challenge from first day, first level of WSOP main event 2005.

One player has 10/10 in early position and puts a raise in, folded around to BB who calls with A10.

Flop comes down AA10, player with 10s thinks he has nuts and is trapping now but it is checked on flop and then turn comes a rag. All chips go in middle now after a few reraises and the poor lad with pocket 10s is sick when cards are turned over.

Anyone see any way that he could get off this hand at this stage of event.

I think you can get away from this hand if the blinds are 25-50 and 10k stacks. But I wouldn't blame you for going broke here either.

Bandana boy

It all depends on what you do when you flop TP 2P or a nice draw
and position is Key
I am going to assume a flopped str8
I tend to bet my hit hands and my draw hands pretty hard but then i play 1-2 on PPP and they are all calling stations
I might tone it down on turn with 1 caller and push river (assuming no counterfeiting cards )while 1+ caller push turn even if that is 5/6* pot

fuzzbox

Iceman78 wrote:

This post just reminds me of a hand i saw on Challenge from first day, first level of WSOP main event 2005.

One player has 10/10 in early position and puts a raise in, folded around to BB who calls with A10.

Flop comes down AA10, player with 10s thinks he has nuts and is trapping now but it is checked on flop and then turn comes a rag. All chips go in middle now after a few reraises and the poor lad with pocket 10s is sick when cards are turned over.

Anyone see any way that he could get off this hand at this stage of event.

The opponent was Sam Farha (AT), and he trap checked too.
The turn was a Q !!! and BOTH of them had no problem getting all-in (in fact neither took even a moment to consider the possibilities).

The C Kid

The guy who got knocked out was Oliver Hudson, who despite this story is still probably the least known member of his family given that his mother is Goldie Hawn and his sister is is Kate Hudson.

Ardent

RoundTower wrote:

All in no matter how deep.

Killer cash game player you are!

Hectorjelly

fold preflop

Tom Hanlon

Its not how you play this hand, its how you have played other hands in the game that will decide if you are going to get paid. If you can give the impression of being active on a hand without it having to be the nuts then you are more likely to get rewarded. You have to vary your play, otherwise people recognise your betting patterns.


Tom