Two Fitz Cash Game Hands

Samba

Hand #1

Stack Sizes(approx. oh how online is so convenient!):
Villain #1 50 On the BB
Villain #2 290 UTG+2

PL Holdem 50 Game.

I'm on the SB with Q10c and complete, Villain #1 on the BB pots after a table full of limpers to approx. 18. no reads, he is behind the dealer and i can't see much of him bar his arms.

I believe there were about 4-5 to the flop, hazy... the flop comes 6810 two with two clubs.

I check in order to form a plan of action based on the action i'm sure to see behind me. Villain #1 goes all in for around 30, this gets 2 callers, action comes to me..

What would other people do here? Flat call, raise? I have hit quite a tasteful flop considering how weak my hand is. If i am up against over pairs i have a bountiful supply of outs to bail me out.

What I did: I bet the pot approx. 160ish again details hazy, while it is a nice flop, there are far too many drawing possibilities for my liking, this pot bet of.

Villain #2 thinks for an age and eventually decides to call.

We see the turn which brings 9h, ugh now my hand looks really bad when I glance at it, it was as if the Q of clubs had removed all her make up.

I check, a silly check when i thought about the hand 2 mins after it was over, Villain #2 is a steady solid player has not gotten involved in many hands, he has not been at the table long, i think i can very safely rule a 7 out here

The river is another 9 no club. I take little time to check, now villain #2 puts his thinking cap on, eventually he bets all in around another 125 or so.. (sorry very tired today).

So there is a huge pot in the middle I have Top pair with a poorish kicker and my draw has been busted, it's a small amount to call to see the outcome of the hand but dropping dead money into pots is not somthing i'm a big fan of and if i fold, i get to see his cards.

Your move?


I'll get to the 2nd hand later, the chicken is roasted and waiting patiently to be eaten.

cardshark202

Samba wrote:

Hand #1

Stack Sizes(approx. oh how online is so convenient!):
Villain #1 30 On the BB
Villain #2 290 UTG+2

PL Holdem 50 Game.

I'm on the SB with Q10c and complete, Villain #1 on the BB pots after a table full of limpers to approx. 12. no reads, he is behind the dealer and i can't see much of him bar his arms.

I believe there were about 4-5 to the flop, hazy... the flop comes 6810 two with two clubs.

I check in order to form a plan of action based on the action i'm sure to see behind me. Villain #1 goes all in for around 18, this gets 2 callers, action comes to me..

What would other people do here? Flat call, raise? I have hit quite a tasteful flop considering how weak my hand is. If i am up against over pairs i have a bountiful supply of outs to bail me out.

What I did: I bet the pot approx. 165ish(I think) again details hazy, while it is a nice flop, there are far too many drawing possibilities for my liking, this pot bet of.

Villain #2 thinks for an age and eventually decides to call.

We see the turn which brings 9h, ugh now my hand looks really bad when I glance at it, it was as if the Q of clubs had removed all her make up.

I check, a silly check when i thought about the hand 2 mins after it was over, Villain #2 is a steady solid player has not gotten involved in many hands, he has not been at the table long, i think i can very safely rule a 7 out here

The river is another 9 no club. I take little time to check, now villain #2 puts his thinking cap on, eventually he bets all in around another 125 or so.. (sorry very tired today).

So there is a huge pot in the middle I have Top pair with a poorish kicker and my draw has been busted, it's a small amount to call to see the outcome of the hand but dropping dead money into pots is not somthing i'm a big fan of and if i fold, i get to see his cards.

Your move?


I'll get to the 2nd hand later, the chicken is roasted and waiting patiently to be eaten.

I think from watching the hand, that was how it went. I made a few alterations to the stack & betting sizes according to what I remember.

I won't comment on this hand as I saw it.

RoundTower

I think checking on the turn is a mistake, especially if you're going to call this river. If he is really a solid player (internet solid? or Fitz solid) I fold here.

cardshark202

Fitz Solid

RoundTower

cardshark202 wrote:

I think from watching the hand, that was how it went. I made a few alterations to the stack & betting sizes according to what I remember.

I won't comment on this hand as I saw it.

no way you can make it 205 there, samba's version sounds more consistent.

cardshark202

RoundTower wrote:

no way you can make it 205 there, samba's version sounds more consistent.

Oops maybe it was 165 or 185.:o I do remember Villian 1 only had 30 left. I'm sure of that.

fuzzbox

Push the turn.
You have top pair, good kicker, a club draw, and a double-belly buster str8 draw. The pot is massive, and you might be ahead, and if not you have a gazillion outs.

As played, pot is too big to fold now, call and take your medicine.
Too much chance that he has a busted flush draw too.

Ste05

Ye I agree, I think the flop raise was a little excessive, but after making it that much and being called you don't really have any choice but to Continue through on the Turn.

fuzzbox

Btw - all of this is a very good show of why playing a "drawing" hand OOP in a PL game SUCKS @SS.

You should fold preflop .

Samba

Well, i was getting great odds PF but yes OOP and yes roundtower you are dead right and I said it myself, I should have continued firing on the turn.

It had been sometime since I played a live cash game and this hand occured about a half hour in to play, I had still not settled down to a good rythmn, always takes me a good hour to get with a flow of a game...

After much debate and an action replay of the hand in my head I came to the conclusion that my Pair was good, he did not seem like he was comfortable calling my flop bet and he most certainly did not have a 9 or 7 in his hand, the fact that he checked the turn with me told me somthing was a miss with this bet.

I called and Villain #1 showed AKo and Villain #2 AJo...

I think i'll leave out hand #2. for the time being

fuzzbox

I think you should revise your estimation of how "solid" villain actually is.

Samba

heh, no he is solid and he dared not bluff at another pot for the rest of the night, my weak play opened the door to a bluff and imo his bet was a good one as it really put pressure on me, whereas it should have been the other way around.

btw, I would have come in to this pot with 52o OOP

Ste05

fuzzbox wrote:

I think you should revise your estimation of how "solid" villain actually is.

Indeed, pretty crazy call on the flop. :eek: What was he thinking??

ianmc38

CTRL+F "Fitz Solid Regular"
Replace with "Fitz Calling Station"

fuzzbox

Samba wrote:

btw, I would have come in to this pot with 52o OOP

Well I wouldnt fold preflop either - however check-raising the flop is the problem I guess (if you get called). You have managed to get the wrong amount of money in there.

If its NL, then you can just c/r all-in and be done with it, but in PL you can only pop it to pot, and then you have to play a turn OOP.

On the other hand - you only had 130 left (or villain only had that number left), and the pot was 400, so even if you only had a flush draw, you arent making much of a mistake to push the turn (in fact if you get called, you are getting precisely the right odds).

In general, playing a draw OOP with reasonably big stacks pretty much sucks. This is exacerbated in a PL game.

Samba

I agree with what you are saying Fuzz and it's all too true.

With that said, Im confident that I can analyse the hand correctly to base a decision on, be it in or out of Position, yes it's very awkward and you leave yourself exposed but you can play hands OOP, even marginal ones, you just need to tread very carefully and somtimes be more passive that you would be with position.

My raise was excessive, it was mainly designed to isolate, looking back this was also another error I made I want another stack in this pot to make the draw worthwhile as my 10 may be no good V Villain #1. I do believe I should be raising this flop as there are too many players involved but not to the tune which i did.

It has been some time since I've played cash games seriously, they used to be my bread and butter but my abilities are very rusty and need some serious fine tuning.