Graffiti in chalk is it illegal?

MorningStar

IHi ,

I want to make a protest about something and want to do it in chalk to grab the attention of people when I am not there. I was thinking of using chalk as it is not permenant to make an illistration of the problem. I was just wondering is it illegal?

Thanks

hullaballoo

Is chalk illegal? No. Defacing public property is.

Get a plaquard like all the other protestors.

maidhc

hullaballoo wrote:

Get a plaquard like all the other protestors.

Or ring Joe Duffy!

MorningStar

hullaballoo wrote:

Is chalk illegal? No. Defacing public property is.

Get a plaquard like all the other protestors.

Well doesn't defacing have to permenant? Chalk isn't

Do you know the legalities or not? If not you can go away

hullaballoo

Oh, sorry. Maybe you could suggest a replacement for me to moderate this forum while I'm gone.

Eru

MorningStar wrote:

Do you know the legalities or not? If not you can go away

Do you know how to use Google or a search engine? <snip>

Straight from a google search:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA31Y1991S2.html

<snip>

hullaballoo

No, that's not allowed Karlitosway.

maidhc

I dont think it is criminal damage, but it is defacement all the same.

There probably is no criminal sanction on it, but dont hold me to it!

Eru

maidhc wrote:

I dont think it is criminal damage, but it is defacement all the same.

There probably is no criminal sanction on it, but dont hold me to it!

Well if you deface someones property its criminal damage, it doesnt have to be permanent as it still damages the appearance and requires cleaning. Graffitit whith chalk is no different to that with paint but possible it may get a lighter sentence.

mountainyman

Karlitosway1978 wrote:

...Graffitit whith chalk is no different to that with paint but possible it may get a lighter sentence.

I would N imping hope so.

What if you came up against Sean Delap and he gave you ten years or that head the ball Mangan that was dealing with the Shannon protestors.

Hullabaloo go away.

MM

MorningStar

I want to draw on the ground so it is public property. I have to be caught is another thing. Considering what I am going to do the police would be in a lot of trouble as I would be pointing out the law anyway. So to cahrage a person for apeacful non destructive protest about illigal action would be a push and probably not worth the publicity.

Trojan911

MorningStar wrote:

IHi ,

I want to make a protest about something and want to do it in chalk to grab the attention of people when I am not there. I was thinking of using chalk as it is not permenant to make an illistration of the problem. I was just wondering is it illegal?

Thanks

MorningStar,

You would be committing criminal damage, permanent or not, unless it was your own property...

TJ911...

maidhc

Is writing something on the ground in a transient substance criminal damage? What about children playing hopscotch? It might be, but has anyone any knowledge of of how this provision was interpreted?

It *might* also fall under the litter pollution act if chalk can be considered as litter:

"litter" means a substance or object, whether or not intended as waste (other than waste within the meaning of the Waste Management Act, 1996, which is properly consigned for disposal) that, when deposited in a place other than a litter receptacle or other place lawfully designated for the deposit, is or is likely to become unsightly, deleterious, nauseous or unsanitary, whether by itself or with any other such substance or object, and regardless of its size or volume or the extent of the deposit;

The_Minister

maidhc wrote:

Is writing something on the ground in a transient substance criminal damage? What about children playing hopscotch? It might be, but has anyone any knowledge of of how this provision was interpreted?

It *might* also fall under the litter pollution act if chalk can be considered as litter:

Don't forget that guy who is downhill of Molly Malone in town. He chalks on the ground daily.

hullaballoo

I hate to have to draw your attention to this MorningStar (yes I'm back from the banning you gave me), but you have effectively advertised on a public bulletin board what your intentions are. Look at the who's online php on boards vbulletin, and you'll notice a number of spiders. They review the boards constantly and process plenty of information.

In addition, if the gardaí were nose-out-of-joint about what you do, they could apply for a disclosure order, and force boards.ie to tell them your ISP and IP address.

No one is allowed to condone illegal behaviour - my advice to you is to do something constructive about the issue instead of causing yourself problems like this.

I mean, to what extent do you view it as a good idea to upset the people who enforce law and order? I would carefully reconsider all of this if I were you.

MarkR

I'm pretty sure you could be done for something along the lines of anti-social behaviour? You could throw a milkshake at a shop window, would still be easy to clean up etc, but definately an offence. Something against the public order act anyway...

Couldn't you think of a constructive method of protest?

Hagar

MarkR wrote:

Couldn't you think of a constructive method of protest?

This is Morningstar you are talking about.:D
His Indian name is "Shouts at the World, Continuously".
Biblically "Morningstar" is another name for the Anti-Christ and if ever there was one...

MorningStar

MarkR wrote:

Couldn't you think of a constructive method of protest?

You mean like writing letters like I have and no action?

I have tried other methods and wish to know if I would be breaking the law by using chalk. Nobody here seems to be able to answer for sure.

hullaballoo wrote:

I hate to have to draw your attention to this MorningStar (yes I'm back from the banning you gave me)

I banned nobody, you were banned for your own behaviour take responsibility for your own actions and don't blame me. I swear I think it is this attitude that will destroy the country.:cool:

padser

MorningStar wrote:

IHi ,

I want to make a protest about something and want to do it in chalk to grab the attention of people when I am not there. I was thinking of using chalk as it is not permenant to make an illistration of the problem. I was just wondering is it illegal?

Thanks

How is this not seeking legal advice??

delly

MorningStar wrote:

Nobody here seems to be able to answer for sure.

lol, and to think i was going to be the first to reply to this thread but then saw who the OP was.

People have answered your question as best they can relating to the waste management act or it being criminal damage. But knowing you, you'd only trust an answer from a supreme court judge, and even then you'd still want to contest it in the European court.

MorningStar

delly wrote:

lol, and to think i was going to be the first to reply to this thread but then saw who the OP was.

People have answered your question as best they can relating to the waste management act or it being criminal damage. But knowing you, you'd only trust an answer from a supreme court judge, and even then you'd still want to contest it in the European court.

Yes it in itself is not illegal and is accepted if you are doing it for the right reason. Very unlikely you would be charged if caught doing it.

Time Magazine

MorningStar wrote:

I was thinking of using chalk as it is not permenant to make an illistration of the problem. I was just wondering is it illegal?

MorningStar wrote:

Yes it in itself is not illegal and is accepted if you are doing it for the right reason. Very unlikely you would be charged if caught doing it.

:rolleyes:

Eru

MorningStar wrote:

I want to draw on the ground so it is public property. I have to be caught is another thing. Considering what I am going to do the police would be in a lot of trouble as I would be pointing out the law anyway. So to cahrage a person for apeacful non destructive protest about illigal action would be a push and probably not worth the publicity.

Morningstar,
Your not the same clown that appraoched me while I was searching a drug user and told me you were my "Worst nightmare because of what I know and what I will be, your boss!"? The same person that attempted, note the attempted, to tell me all about S23 drug searches ? If so I hope to god you got yourself a blood test done because your kind gesture of picking up the guys blood soaked hankie may have infected you with HIV and Hep. BTW, I told you not to.

As for your protest, listen, its a crime, simple as. You want to protest then protest but within the law. Public property is not YOUR property to do with as you please or you could smash up O'Connell Street every week. If you cannot accept the answer then dont ask the question. Now sod back off to Indymedia.

hullaballoo wrote:

if the gardaí were nose-out-of-joint about what you do, they could apply for a disclosure order, and force boards.ie to tell them your ISP and IP address.

Well im pretty busy with real criminals instead of self-important idiots but can I have it anyway?

hullaballoo

Heh, I wish. I don't even get to see IP's! I'm not |_33+ enuf to |-|4xX0r my way in either.

Turner

He's so telling fibbs, 2 seconds in the moderators forum and we can get your name address and mobile number from your ip by the l33t mods.

Sangre

Not a chance anything would happen to you. Worst a Gaurd would do is tell you to wash it off tbh.

hullaballoo

Chief: Sssssssssssssssshhhh.

delly

Sangre wrote:

Not a chance anything would happen to you. Worst a Gaurd would do is tell you to wash it off tbh.

There are other punishments:

Centurion: What is this then? Romanes eunt domus, "People called Romanes they go the house"?
Brian It-it says, "Romans, go home"!
Centurion: No, it doesn't! What's Latin for "Roman"? [grabs Brian's ear] Come on, come on!
Brian: Romanus!
Centurion: Goes like?
Brian: Annus!
Centurion: Vocative plural of annus is...?
Brian: Anni?
Centurion: [writes] Romani. And eunt? What is eunt?
Brian: "Go"! Let-
Centurion: Conjugate the verb "to go".
Brian: Ire; eo, is, it, imus, itis, eunt!
Centurion: So eunt is...?
Brian: Third person plural, present indicative. "They go!"
Centurion: But "Romans, go home" is an order, so you must use the...?
Brian: The... imperative!
Centurion: Which is...?
Brian: I!
Centurion: [twisting Brian's ear] How many Romans?
Brian: [yelling] I.. Plural, plural! Ite, ite!
Centurion: [writing] Ite. Domus? Nominative? But "go home", it is motion towards, isn't it, boy?
Brian: Dative, sir!
[The centurion promptly draws his swords and presses it against Brian's throat. Brian yells:]
No, not dative! Not the dative, sir! No! The... accusative, accusative! Domum, sir, ad domum!
Centurion: Except that domus takes the...?
Brian: The locative, sir!
Centurion: Which is?
Brian: Domum!
Centurion: [writing] Domum... -um [sheathing his sword] Understand?
[Brian nods eagerly]
Now, write it out a hundred times!
Brian: Yes, sir, thank you, sir! Hail Caesar!
Centurion: Hail Caesar. If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off!
Brian: Oh, thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Hail Caesar and everything, sir!

maidhc

Chief--- wrote:

He's so telling fibbs, 2 seconds in the moderators forum and we can get your name address and mobile number from your ip by the l33t mods.

I'm telling the Data Protection Commissioner on you.

Eru

Chief--- wrote:

He's so telling fibbs, 2 seconds in the moderators forum and we can get your name address and mobile number from your ip by the l33t mods.

I shall expect some abusive phone calls then so!

killer kid

morningstar,

dont write on someones car for protesting i got in ****!!!

dbnavan

Protest wont last very long if it rains which in Ireland the probability is pretty high, might even rain before the guards get there, I would however be of the opinion doing anything to someones else property without consent is illegal.