College Colours

Plunky

Hey guys,
What are the University/College colours? I don't mean for specific clubs/socs, but for the Uni as a whole..?

snorlax

is it not light blue? (this wouldn't be for the PSN hoodies would it? if it is light blue all the way..:)

Plunky

See I'm thinking it's light blue dark blue and red cuz of the UG scarf, but I'm not sure...
Nope, it's for an inquisitive american friend...

ApeXaviour

It's PINK apparently...



ffs

Plunky

Wow! Where did you find that?

Crash

wikipedia - i was checking there too.

ah but here it raises the question - we're not from the University of Dublin, we're just students in a constituent college therein - therefore are we looking for college colours or University colours?

ApeXaviour

crash_000 wrote:

ah but here it raises the question - we're not from the University of Dublin, we're just students in a constituent college therein - therefore are we looking for college colours or University colours?

But would that not inherently mean we are from the university? Is it not like saying "I'm not from Dublin, I'm from phibsborough"? Also considering it is the only constituent college therein does that not make them effectively the same thing? Hence the collective term: "University of Dublin, Trinity College".

Crash

well our interaction with the university, as is my understanding, is limited purely to the conferring of our degrees ...i think? anyone care to clear this up?

Plunky

Technically speaking, Neil, You're right... But because Trinity is the only college under DU, I can only imagine that the Uni colours would also be the College ones...

Crash

I have a feeling our college and uni colours arent the same actually....hrmm, we need edumyth or daithi or someone

Plunky

Yes, yes we do! I'm sure one or other of 'em will be able to shed a light soon enough!

ApeXaviour

crash_000 wrote:

well our interaction with the university, as is my understanding, is limited purely to the conferring of our degrees ...i think?

Would that necessarily proclude one from calling us students of the university of dublin though?

I have no idea whether there are seperate college colours, and if there are whether they're different..

NewOxfordReview

As if those mentioned would know anything about colours. You make me sick. Have a look at http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~peterh.

Pink was decided as the University colour by DUCAC in 1927. The only people eligible to wear the Pinks scarf are those elected by the DUCAC captains' committee.

The azure of the College shield is St Patrick's blue: i.e., light blue.

A lot of the College clubs use red and black.

The "red" in the College scarf should probably be pink; it's possible that the colours are intended to represent Oxford, Cambridge and Dublin universities. On the other hand, it may simply be a slightly modified St John's Cambridge scarf.

ApeXaviour

^^Jayzus.. Ok.

Fair play

Crash

aye the pink thing i'd discovered was mainly a DUCAC piece alright - so is there, as such, college colours as well? or is the college scarf the only piece?

also, play nice NewOxfordReview.

Plunky

Yeah, wow, little bitchy about the Edu officers (past & present) there...
Tho thanks for the info!

John

I got given a scarf and the red is more of a pinky red on it. It's an old one though. Itches like a bitch.

NewOxfordReview

Pink being chosen by DUCAC doesn't take away from it being the University colour. The scarves of the Cambridge colleges are usually those of each college's sporting association.

The College scarf, I suppose, is in the College colours. Though who came up with it I have no idea, and I can only speculate as above. Some might say the College colours are those of the TCD Association and Trust, which are red, black, light blue and green, taken from the rugby club (red and black), the College arms (light blue) and the hockey club (green and black). The College tie is navy blue with a pattern of gold College shields.

xeduCat

Colours are primarily a sports thing. The president of UCD would know more about TCD sports than I would.

NewOxfordReview

And the colours of the sports clubs are, that I know of:

Equestrian: navy and red
Harriers and Athletic: maroon, black and white
Football: red and black, red shield
Boat: black and white, royal blue shield
Hockey: green and black, green shield
Ladies' Boat: black, white and pink, black shield
Swimming: bottle green, emerald green and silver
Knights of the Campanile: dark blue, light blue and pink
Cricket: black and gold
Fencing: black, crimson and st. patrick's blue

cuckoo

NewOxfordReview wrote:

The College tie is navy blue with a pattern of gold College shields.

There isn't really a female equivalent of a tie, is there?

Right, the campaign (one person acting on a whim can still be a campaign) starts here - garter belts in the college colours.

Boston

NewOxfordReview wrote:

As if those mentioned would know anything about colours. You make me sick.

fairly harsh. Whats with all this cmbridge/oxford linkage anyway.

John

You could always do your make up in college colours. It would be handy if in addition to pink the college also used orange, BOPs everywhere would be already made up.

Plunky

There are Trinitys there... (Trinities?)

John

Trannies?

NewOxfordReview

I think he means Trinity Oxford and Trinity Cambridge, both of which have nothing to do with our own college, apart from coincidence in name.

Andrew 83

You should ask Peter Henry if you're interested in any of this kind of thing, I think he probably knows more than anyone else in college about it all. You can find his email address in TN as Sports Editor, then again I think I feel his presence here already...

NewOxfordReview

A fine man if there ever was one, upon whom I base my deductions. He is mightier than I, the thong of whose sandals I am not worthy to stoop down and untie.

MaxBax

For what ever reason, DUCAC saw that CU Sports Commitee and The Oxford equivalent had colour colours (dark blue and light blue (very original)). So they said, we need some colllege sporting colours too so let's have pink. (why pink? I don't know, because it's the opposite to blue?).

However, to the best of my understanding, the Oxbridge blues are presented on successful participation in a varsity match. So if you played for cambridge vs oxford in the varsity rugby match, boxing bout, boat race, and you WON the match, your individual event or your overall competiton, you'd be awarded a blue. It's not a scholarship, it's merely prestige.

The pink on the other hand, is a sports scholarship, worth a couple of grand, that you get if you fulfil your particualr sports criteria. For example, Shotokan have to win either the varsity kata or kumite section (easy) but a cricket player would have to compete nationally (not so easy) and a association football player would have to compete for at least the underage international level.

There was a pink elected recently, for atheltics or something. Fair play. i'm pretty sure if trinity started awarding pinks for varsity matches against ucd i'd have about 5 of them. but there you have it.

info on oxbride colours http://www.sport.cam.ac.uk/pdf_files/history.pdf

Sparks

Rifle club: bottle green, light blue.
And we've gotten a few pinks over the years. They don't carry a financial benefit in TCD as far as I know.

NewOxfordReview

"MaxBax", the Pink is not a sport scholarship. It is an award. This year's Pinks were from Ladies' Association Football and Hockey. The chap from the Harriers and Athletic Club didn't get elected.

Also, I don't think it's necessary to win a varsity match for Oxford or Cambridge. You just need to make the team, which is an achievement in itself in those sports which have full Blue status.

The Pinks rules are at http://www.tcd.ie/Clubs/Boat/pinks.php

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Sporting_Blue

"Sparks", why do the Rifle Club's jackets come in black and white? Why don't they use their colours?

Sparks

NewOxfordReview wrote:

"Sparks", why do the Rifle Club's jackets come in black and white? Why don't they use their colours?

Firstly our Colours scarf is not given out for making the intervarsity team nor winning the IV, but for outstanding performance during a year. It's treated more as a club-level pinks than a badge for making the IV team. As to the jackets, those are redesigned quite often and it's down to the committee what the design will be. This year, they wanted black and white.

NewOxfordReview

They're still the Club Colours though. That'd be like the Football Club choosing pink and purple even though their colours are red and black. Although to be fair black and white is a bit more neutral. Though you wouldn't want to be confused with the Boat Club!

MaxBax

NewOxfordReview wrote:

"MaxBax", the Pink is not a sport scholarship. It is an award. This year's Pinks were from Ladies' Association Football and Hockey. The chap from the Harriers and Athletic Club didn't get elected.

Also, I don't think it's necessary to win a varsity match for Oxford or Cambridge. You just need to make the team, which is an achievement in itself in those sports which have full Blue status.

The Pinks rules are at http://www.tcd.ie/Clubs/Boat/pinks.php

See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_Sporting_Blue

"Sparks", why do the Rifle Club's jackets come in black and white? Why don't they use their colours?

a sports scholorship is not a pink, but a pink is a sports scholarship. you're still getting money for your participation. is this not correct?

i'm pretty sure you have to win the varsity match. a varsity match decides who gets colours. in the oxbrige boxing varsity, they guys will pair off at the different weight groups. the guy that wins his match, will get a blue. if he loses, but the overall team wins he'll get a blue. but if he loses his bout, and his uni loses overall, he'll not get a blue. that's the way it is for boxing. i'd imagine it's the same for other sports. but, it's not like i care.

NewOxfordReview

MaxBax wrote:

but, it's not like i care.

Ooh, too cool for school! Or college, even.

And no, you don't get money for getting a pink. You get a scarf or tie. I suppose you could sell your scarf or tie and make a ten or twenty euro profit.

MaxBax

i thought you got a good chunk of college money. I'll have to ask my pink friend. (not my gay friend).

Do all clubs have club colour guidelines? is it up to the captain to give them out?

cuckoo

MaxBax wrote:

i thought you got a good chunk of college money. I'll have to ask my pink friend. (not my gay friend).

Do all clubs have club colour guidelines? is it up to the captain to give them out?

Afaik, the sports scholarships are given irrespective of performance representing the college per se (i think some of them are even offered to prospective students, like a 'hey, you, you're a great rower, got the points for tcd? cool, well come here and row for us and we'll give you some money and stuff'), but the recipients are expected to turn out for Coll.

The pink seems to be an honororium. Is there a special pink scarf?

MaxBax

i know there are sports scholarships and there are pinks. but surely a pink is > then a sports scholarship. and if you're going to give someone money via a sports scholarship you should give it to them for a pink too.

i wish it was like america. you just have to be vaguely good at something to get a scholarship. less of this elitism.

Andrew 83

MaxBax wrote:

i wish it was like america. you just have to be vaguely good at something to get a scholarship. less of this elitism.

I'm guessing that's related to the ludicrously high fees students have to pay to a lot of colleges in America. If college was free they'd probably have less scholarships.

Plunky

I'd assume that's correct, Andrew...
Friend of mine recently got awarded 18,000 in academic scholarships/grants etc, and still needs to get 15,000 before she can get to college..!

NewOxfordReview

That Andrew fella. What doesn't he know? Now "MaxBax", I would suspect most Pinks also have a sports scholarship, but they're technically unrelated. If only I had a copy of Trinity News handy, I could check its marvellous sport section.

Awayindahils

hmm just read the pink regulations, i didnt realise that orienteering was a posrtt sport as opposed to something you did for a laugh while at Delphi.

The Pink regulations are very high, well more so in some sports than others. Out of interest is there anyone one in Trinity playing at Senior inter county level in camoge or hurling?

Also i wonder, (on yet more tangents), what standards you could posisbly set for getting a Pink for potholing.

MaxBax

NewOxfordReview wrote:

That Andrew fella. What doesn't he know? Now "MaxBax", I would suspect most Pinks also have a sports scholarship, but they're technically unrelated. If only I had a copy of Trinity News handy, I could check its marvellous sport section.

Well "NewOxfordReview" in inverted commas, I'd be interested to see the relationship myself. I don't read the TN or the UR unless something about myself or something written by myself is in it. Well sometimes I browse it, I hear it's quite good this year ( the TN). So for your next article go and find out who has a pink, who has a sports scholarship, what they got them for, how much they're worth and we'll have something to work from.

Plunky

Handbags down ladies, c'mon now!..

europerson

I sense a prizefight coming on...!

Stargal

Peter fights like a girl, MaxBax should be okay

MaxBax

Which brings us nicely onto the subject of the Knights....

Are either of you knightS?

NewOxfordReview

"MaxBax", pick up the last two issues of Trinity News and you will find out "who has a pink, who has a sports scholarship, what they got them for, how much they're worth", possibly even written by me. In particular you should read the article by Adrienne Da Costa in the last issue.

Oh, and the Knights too!

MaxBax

hokey dokey.

the thing that's worth mentioning is that pinks are awarded by the captain's committee and the sports scholarship by the department of sport.

NewOxfordReview

Correcto, though to be absolutely correct it should be captains' committe, as it's made up of all of the College captains.

btw, what has Lady Justice got to do with Saint Joseph of Cupertino?

MaxBax

nothing. at all. not that i'm aware off. which one of you guys is the dude that goes to the latin masses?