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Bartronilic

How come the 46A is first of all:
Spacious/Huge

Second of all:
Extremely frequent

Third of all:
Fast

My (anti-d4) friend says it's because it goes through all the posh areas and they bribe dublin bus or something hippyish but I think it's because it's route has a HUGE catchemnt area.

Anyway are all buses going to be turning into the 46A? I hope so! (I hate my singe decker 150, stuck in traffic 15A and really infreqent 54A).

Attol

That doesn't make very much sense.... Why do you want nothing but 46As? And I doubt it's because of bribery, probably just the huge customer base they have on that route and they have newer buses than most routes. The new buses are more accessible for those in wheelchairs. It's really not a conspiracy. It's fast because of the QBCs. Your friend sounds like an idiot.

ballooba

Plus the D4 poshos are less likely to smash up the bus than your scobie mates.

HelterSkelter

LadyLotts wrote:

probably just the huge customer base they have on that route and they have newer buses than most routes.

The 77 has a huge customer base, when I used to get it to college it was always full but the buses were mostly the ****ty older ones.

Bartronilic

ballooba wrote:

Plus the D4 poshos are less likely to smash up the bus than your scobie mates.

Ha ha my friends scobies? the idiot guy who thinks this is a hippy with an annoying wannabe american accent who conspirises against everything especially dublin 4/14/16/18/co as he says, ah god i hate him :mad:

rainbow kirby

The 77 has a huge customer base, when I used to get it to college it was always full but the buses were mostly the ****ty older ones.

In fairness, that's because the skangers on the 77 tend to absolutely destroy the buses. Pretty much any bus that goes to Tallaght tends to get wrecked with graffiti and broken seats in no time.

Roddy23

Pretty much any bus that goes to Tallaght tends to get wrecked with graffiti and broken seats in no time.

Thats a pretty big generalization to make there chief.
All ye have to do is look at the Luas, everyone on here who isn't from Tallaght makes the place sound like a kip, granted there are problems in Tallaght, but name me an area in Dublin that hasn't got problems and I'll call you a liar. Regarding the Luas, it has been running for over a year throught Tallaght, and its still in quality condition.

rubadub

Bartronilic wrote:

dublin 4/14/16/18/co as he says, ah god i hate him :mad:

I can see why, I only know where a few postcodes are, seems he studies up on them simply for prejudical reasons.
46A starts and ends in dun laoghaire, with its fair share of scum. It is a large area and very popular bus, serves the dart too.

Blisterman

How come you never see a 46, just a 46a?

BrenC

Roddy23 wrote:

Thats a pretty big generalization to make there chief.
All ye have to do is look at the Luas, everyone on here who isn't from Tallaght makes the place sound like a kip, granted there are problems in Tallaght, but name me an area in Dublin that hasn't got problems and I'll call you a liar. Regarding the Luas, it has been running for over a year throught Tallaght, and its still in quality condition.

I completely agree, Im from Tallaght and the problems here are completely exaggerated. Also Tallaght has a population of around 100,000, so it has more people than Galway and Limerick, of course there are going to be problems with a population that size, Tallaght is huge.

melekalikimaka

i think it has to do with the area, , it may not be crime free but its the best areas in dublin it goes through,its got the best buses, and realitivly on time the 46n is even a great bus, rarely any trouble(i've been on others...scared the crap out of me once or twice tbh namely 44n). if anyone can give me another explaination i'm open ears, but saying its not cos the areas are good its just being silly

Larianne

The 46A was a god send when I went to college! I had already been on a packed smelly bus for an hour, sometimes more depending on traffic/weather/ roadworks (the 41 from Swords). So it was a joy to get on the spacious, frequent 46A for the remaining 45minutes of my journey to DLIADT. The most you'd be waiting was 10 minutes usually.

The route serves a good few schools/colleges- UCD, Stillorgan Senior College,some boys school in Stillorgan that I cant remember name,a gael scoil , Loreto Foxrock, DLIADT and Dun Laoghaire Senior College. So that is probably a big factor in having so many buses on that route aswell as it passing through built up areas.

You would still get the odd skanger on the bus, smoking blow at 8.30 in the morning! :eek:

HelterSkelter

rainbow kirby wrote:

In fairness, that's because the skangers on the 77 tend to absolutely destroy the buses. Pretty much any bus that goes to Tallaght tends to get wrecked with graffiti and broken seats in no time.

So are you telling me the 46a's never get wrecked? The 77 is full of people going to work in the morning. I never saw any skangers on it.

kurisu

i seen 2 of those new 46A's today in dun laoghaire they passed through and had almost no passenger ,but they still came more often than the other busses that come, the other busses being the ones that are overcrowded most days this angers me , i was told in another thread that the reason the new busses dont go up through the 7 route was that the roads arent wide enough , this was clearly a lie considering that there are much smaller roads on the 46A route e.g. monstown farm.

Im tired of our goverment using this countries resources to look after this one district above all else.

kurisu

Originally Posted by LadyLotts
probably just the huge customer base they have on that route and they have newer buses than most routes.


replace the word "huge" with "reputable"
oh and yes your right they do have newer buses than most routes thats what the people are arguing about!

projectmayhem

why is the 46A the biggest, nicest, fastest, most frequent bus in the city, but in the evening when that type of bus is needed on a lot of routes, it's empty while half the city is standing in cramped downstairs area's of "normal" buses

MiCr0

Bartronilic wrote:

Anyway are all buses going to be turning into the 46A? I hope so! (I hate my singe decker 150, stuck in traffic 15A and really infreqent 54A).

the 150 is actually quite a good service - and its a lot quicker than it use to be
cork street use to be a nightmare
(i'm guessing you live around willington/wilderwood or somewhere close)

Bartronilic

Yip very close to there (another part of templeogue) not saying exactly where cos of internet boogeymen but pretty much ye. It is a good service just i really hate single decker buses.

Attol

kurisu wrote:

Originally Posted by LadyLotts
probably just the huge customer base they have on that route and they have newer buses than most routes.


replace the word "huge" with "reputable"
oh and yes your right they do have newer buses than most routes thats what the people are arguing about!

The op said the 46a buses were bigger. I was just saying why. You only quoted a portion of what I said. And the customer base is huge. Off the top of my head the schools served by the 46A : St. Andrew;s, Loreto Foxrock, CUS, UCD, DLIADT, DSC, Institute, Colaiste Eoin and Iosagain, Oatfields.

scop

Ive kind of a unique perspective given I travel from Tallaght (77) to town and town (46A) to UCD.

Now its obvious both have huge catchment areas, both serve the same long ass routes and lots of people but its quite simple that to try out new buses you sent them on a nice route.

I dont mean to be classist but 77's will not have the same kind of life span as a 46A, the most you get on a 46A is guys scratching tags in the windows of their crews, lets just say the 77 poses other problems.

ferdi

If you live in Comanche territory your going to end up with sh!te buses,
if you live in civilization (dublins southside not including riff-raff exceptions: sallynoggin, tallaght etc) you will end up with mostly decent buses.

Bartronilic

What the hell is Comanche? I live in a really middle area no Foxrock (apart from one part) and no Jobstown (except it's about 3 minutes from Jobstown). One of my buses goes through "Civilisation" areas only and the 150 doesn't exactly go through Hollywood Hills but it has no problems (unless you count spitting children as a problem) so why do they not get a bus that looks like it's from the year 2010 and comes every 10 seconds (that is no exxagreation, the 46A actually comes every 10 seconds)

azezil

I get the 46a every morning, its very frequent and they use the larger buses cause its a really busy route, its always packed

kurisu

Originally Posted by LadyLotts
Off the top of my head the schools served by the 46A : St. Andrew;s, Loreto Foxrock, CUS, UCD, DLIADT, DSC, Institute, Colaiste Eoin and Iosagain, Oatfields.

theres just as many schools on other routes, oh and Loreto Foxrock and Institute
no offense but theres not much in the way of posher

Sarn

Firstly I live on the 46A route. Look at the route that the 46A (and some derivatives) takes, it runs from one of our major passenger ports along one of our national roads into the city centre. It is a major artery into the city centre serving multiple schools, several hotels, plus two of our largest universities etc. The dual carriageway has the capacity for a decent bus lane and as a result is very efficient. Anyone who can use it is lucky as far as bus routes go.

kurisu

Originally Posted by ferdi
If you live in Comanche territory your going to end up with sh!te buses,
if you live in civilization (dublins southside not including riff-raff exceptions: sallynoggin, tallaght etc) you will end up with mostly decent buses.

i believe i would be the riff raff exception your refering to :mad: , i used to live in sallynoggin and yes i know this is an old cliche but: the majority of people there are nice , all problems can be atributed to a small group of trouble makers.

perhaps you should learn to understand

hullaballoo

Your friend is right, rich people do have a better life.




Ah no, it's just because the route is really busy. Sure, the last part of the route is really skobie - it goes from Monkstown Farm to Dún Laoghaire. They're holes.

astrofool

I'd use the 46a every other day, and its usually full at some point along the route, at any time of the day. I used to get it at Leeson St. but when getting home in the evenings (between 4 and 7) i'd usually end up watching 2-3 full buses go past, more if it was raining, so now make the trek down to college green to get it.

The new buses are brilliant. One simple thing they did was make all the seats individual (i.e. two seats side by side instead of one double size seat), so no more fatties taking up a whole seat.

Larianne

Why it may seem like empty buses all the time depends where you see it. It has a few major drop-off/pick-up points - Leeson Street, UCD, Stillorgan along with the city centre and Dun Laoghaire Dart station. So where it might be empty where you see it say at Deans Grange in the evening, it will get more passangers at Stillorgan and UCD. Or whereas in the morning times the bus could be packed till UCD, then loads get off and then it picks up more passangers at Stillorgan and along the way down to the Dart station at Foxrock, Deans Grange, Baker's Corner etc.

havana

Roddy23 wrote:

Thats a pretty big generalization to make there chief.
All ye have to do is look at the Luas, everyone on here who isn't from Tallaght makes the place sound like a kip, granted there are problems in Tallaght, but name me an area in Dublin that hasn't got problems and I'll call you a liar. Regarding the Luas, it has been running for over a year throught Tallaght, and its still in quality condition.

I think thats because of the layout of the tram. And I mean that for both lines not just the Tallaght one. Its much more open plan than buses so not as easy to hide behind seats and wreck the seats.

kurisu

Originally Posted by Larianne
Why it may seem like empty buses all the time depends where you see it. It has a few major drop-off/pick-up points - Leeson Street, UCD, Stillorgan along with the city centre and Dun Laoghaire Dart station. So where it might be empty where you see it say at Deans Grange in the evening, it will get more passangers at Stillorgan and UCD


really? ours are full most of the time , besides that doesnt mean that they cant spread the new buses out a bit more evenly around the city, the 46A did get on ok before with the older buses they hand down to us

fly_agaric

scop wrote:

Ive kind of a unique perspective given I travel from Tallaght (77) to town and town (46A) to UCD.

Now its obvious both have huge catchment areas, both serve the same long ass routes and lots of people but its quite simple that to try out new buses you sent them on a nice route.

Yeah, the 46a is the "flagship route" or something and gets all the new developments first.

Maybe its an effort to entice people who wouldn't be caught dead on Dublin Bus to try leaving their cars at home for the commute or let their darlings take public transport to school?

projectmayhem

ferdi wrote:

If you live in Comanche territory your going to end up with sh!te buses,
if you live in civilization (dublins southside not including riff-raff exceptions: sallynoggin, tallaght etc) you will end up with mostly decent buses.

i don't exactly live in foxrock but my bus service is every 7 minutes and it's always new buses

fly_agaric wrote:

Maybe its an effort to entice people who wouldn't be caught dead on Dublin Bus to try leaving their cars at home for the commute or let their darlings take public transport to school?

that's a good point. but it'll be hard to get mummy und duddy out of the oul SL500... because we all know they just LOVE blocking the roads for the 5minute journey to drop off the wee ones to school.

RandolphEsq

the 10 all the way in and out of town,never any trouble and people getting it are only going to ucd so its rarely busy

Piste

The 46a Goes through Donnybrook which has a load of schools, Muckross, John Scottus, Pembroke, Conleths, Tereseans and also nearby in Ranelagh there's Gonzaga and Sandford. It also goes past Coláiste Iosagáin and Coláiste Eoin so that's an awful lots of schoolkids that use it as so many of them come from areas that the 46a goes through.

segadreamcast

Love the use of this word skobie. Ironic that the people who use it sound even more vile than the people it, apparently, describes. Sko-bie. The pronunciation even sounds repulsive.

Anyway, it's true that the 46a definitely has a disproportionate amount of resources going towards it. Furthermore, it also has a huge amount of passengers.

The question here - which all of you keep missing, is cause and effect:

Does the 46a have lots of passengers because its regular?
Or is it regular because it automatically will have lots of passengers?

For me, the former is clearly the answer and, if DB stepped up its other services (why doesn't the Northside have such a flagship route, for instance?), then the passenger numbers would also consequently increase.

segadreamcast

Piste wrote:

The 46a Goes through Donnybrook which has a load of schools, Muckross, John Scottus, Pembroke, Conleths, Tereseans and also nearby in Ranelagh there's Gonzaga and Sandford. It also goes past Coláiste Iosagáin and Coláiste Eoin so that's an awful lots of schoolkids that use it as so many of them come from areas that the 46a goes through.

Every bus route that is city centre bound passes a roughly equal number of schools. The only difference? Several of the schools you mentioned here are 'prestigious'. Pretty poor reasoning for why the 46a is so regular.

Larianne

kurisu wrote:

really? ours are full most of the time , besides that doesnt mean that they cant spread the new buses out a bit more evenly around the city, the 46A did get on ok before with the older buses they hand down to us

"ours", "us"???

I used to get the 46A to college for two years. My usual bus route is 41. Getting the bus at peak times can be hell because they are so packed. They have introduced a few extras buses at peak times and the buses are a mixture of new and older models.

The 46A is a busy route all the time.

segadreamcast

Larianne wrote:

"ours", "us"???

I used to get the 46A to college for two years. My usual bus route is 41. Getting the bus at peak times can be hell because they are so packed. They have introduced a few extras buses at peak times and the buses are a mixture of new and older models.

The 46A is a busy route all the time.

Yes, but it's busy because it's well provided for. When people see that a bus service is running efficiently and consistently in their area every six minutes, they will flock to it. Why is it only the 46a that is getting this treatment though? Whether anyone cares to admit it or not, Dublin Bus does give it better treatment than so, so many other routes.

kurisu

Originally Posted by Larianne
The 46A is a busy route all the time





no it isnt ive seen it empty most days your just plain wrong

Chucky the tree

projectmayhem wrote:

i don't exactly live in foxrock but my bus service is every 7 minutes and it's always new buses.

Hello and welcome to understatement of the year.


Sure the northside and the few kip areas on the southside shouldnt even be given a bus service. At least then they wouldnt be able to move around as much and town would be alot nicer.

Larianne

kurisu wrote:

no it isnt ive seen it empty most days your just plain wrong

Did I say it was packed to the rafters, no. Its a busy route I said. I got the bus for two years, twice a day.

I agree with you NoelRock about why they can't do it to other routes. I don't know why. You'd have to ask someone in Dublin bus.

John R

The 46a is regular and very well used because it has good bus lanes for most of the route. The core part (Stephen's Green - Foxrock) has quick journey times and year on year has increased in popularity in excess of any other route.

The suggestion that all new buses go on that route is false. Every year the allocation of new buses are divided up between all the different garages so last year each one got 10-20 new buses.

The 79 also got an allocation of new buses last year so it can't be said that only well off areas get new buses.

Many of the buses on tallaght routes, particularly the 49, 77a and about half of the ones on the 77 are only 2-4 years old. Unfortunately they have taken a battering, mainly on the inside so they can look a lot older.

The 20 3-axle buses put on the 46a at the end of last year are to stay on that route for a long time so it won't be getting newer buses for several years.

kurisu

Chucky the tree your arrogant moron simple as that

StupidLikeAFox

kurisu, learn to spot sarcasm

Also, everyones a friggin expert

Black_Couch

Think Dublin bus could do so much better to be honest. Its a sham of service. There are private bus operators who do a much better job. Its a pity that all the funding is going to Dublin Bus who recieve grants of a hundred thousand or so for each bus when private companies receive no grants. Thus private companies are forced to operate only at peak times although thats starting to change a bit now I think.

Chucky the tree

how are they forced to operate at peak times? they operate at peak times because they make more money then.

Linoge

And another thing...

Why is it always a 46A that you see when you ever see a Dublin Bus on an ad? Namely ALL Dublin Bus ads, and I think that HB ad. Number 10 sometimes used too. Why is it never the auld 17??!!

astrofool

kurisu, using the 46a and going on many journey's on it will qualify me to say that it is full most of the time, even off-peak. Are you sure you're not seeing it leave Busarus?...

Also, the 145 has a very similar route, if not more prestigious as it goes through killiney, dalkey rather than Dún Laoighaire and generally uses older buses. The 46D as well which travels through foxrock is almost always one of the 90-D buses (and breaks down an awful lot). As said, the 46a gets the biggest/best buses because its the busiest route, simple as. Same way that Aer Lingus use their newest Jumbo's on their busiest routes, not the most 'prestigious'.

Mimikyu

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Chucky the tree

Linoge wrote:

Why is it never the auld 17??!!

Imagine asking a camera crew to wait around till the 17 turns up! Cruelity.