ruling question

connie147

Two players all-in,A-9 v A-10.board 2-2-6-Q,player saying "no 9,no 9",river an ace,players shake hands,dealer gathers cards and pushes chips to plarer with A-10.then another player announces"should have been split pot,aces and twos with a queen kicker".At this stage the TD is called,the cards are all in the deck and the chips are stacked by the player.What ruling do you give?

Ollieboy

different rules in different places, but its a split pot in most places. Once the cards are still on the deck, nothing else matters, ie handshake, stacking etc.

connie147

Ollieboy wrote:

different rules in different places, but its a split pot in most places. Once the cards are still on the deck, nothing else matters, ie handshake, stacking etc.

Cards are IN the deck Ollie,not on the deck.The cards have been gathered by the dealer ready to rifle for next game.

roryc

Split pot, no matter where you are. How can it possibly be otherwise? The whole table saw the hand, the pot was simply pushed to the wrong player.
I don't see any difference between this, and when the dealer accidentally pushes the pot to the wrong player in any hand.

The only thing complicating things is how much the pot was, but that can be worked out afterwards.

Split Pot. Easy decision

Ollieboy

connie147 wrote:

Cards are IN the deck Ollie,not on the deck.The cards have been gathered by the dealer ready to rifle for next game.

If the cards have been muck, my understanding is the hand stands. ie the decision to award the hand to the other players stands, as he didnt declare the hand correctly.

I know Doyle Brunson loss a 1 mill hand on something similiar a couple of years ago.

It was a local rule that when the cards were back in the muck, the decision stood.

I'm sure someone here will no for defo, Dave....lol

Mr. Flibble

My memory is skechy on where I read this, it was in some poker novel, maybe Pos 5th St. But in a world series event there was a similar split pot and the dealer misread it. The player who thought he was knocked out got up and left. On his way out of the room somone (Hellmouth I think) told him that it should have a split pot. He ran back to the table, and was given his chips back (cards already reshuffled etc).

Goodluck2me

How could it not be a split pot, id be incredibly annoyed if i lost that pot...

NickyOD

Common sense should prevail, the betting recreated and the chop awarded to the other player. Donal did this over the weekend for Duke when he had QQ v 88 on a board 8-9-9-x-9. For some reason no one at the table (including Duke who manages a cardroom!!) realised that 9s over Queens beats 9s over 8s every time. Whoops!

Where was this Connie and what happened?

Marq

obvious split. anything else would be madness.

nikorami

the cards were turned over and there were allins. This is a split hand because the cards read...the fact that the hand was misread is irrelevant.

connie147

NickyOD wrote:

Common sense should prevail, the betting recreated and the chop awarded to the other player. Donal did this over the weekend for Duke when he had QQ v 88 on a board 8-9-9-x-9. For some reason no one at the table (including Duke who manages a cardroom!!) realised that 9s over Queens beats 9s over 8s every time. Whoops!

Where was this Connie and what happened?

Connie was in Dublin being busted by Nicky the diamond(with J-10 grrrr) when it happened.
My son Derry did recreate the pot and do a split although player who was awarded the pot was objecting.think he was told accept TD decision or leave the game.I agreed with derry but i wanted boardsters opinions before I meet up with the player involved.

SandyVN

The only reason this should ever get complicated is if the players at the table don't agree on what the cards on the board were. Otherwise its pretty straight forward. Split it & nobody should have any complaints, if they do tell them to go tell that big wall over there.

Lplate

1.) It's a clear "common sense" decision.

2.) Derry was quite correct in stating that "accept td decision or leave the game".