I just bought a 17" TFT for €178

roger 2006 yeah

i went mad and bought a 17" TFT for €178, did i get a good deal ?

Key Features

Monitor Type Flat Panel LCD TFT (Active Matrix) Size 17" Contrast Ratio 450:1 Aspect Ratio 5:4 (Regular) Max. Resolution 1280 x 1024 Brightness 260 cd/m² Response Time 16 ms Dot Pitch .264 mm Viewable Picture Size 17 in.

Technical Features

Form Factor Desktop Digital Video Input Standard Digital Visual Interface (DVI) Resolutions supported 1280 x 1024 Synchronization Range - Vertical 60 - 75 Hz Synchronization Range - Horizontal 31 - 80 kHz Max. Viewing Angle - Horizontal 140 Max. Viewing Angle - Vertical 140 Native (Recommended) Resolution 1280 x 1024 Audio Output Speaker(s) Regulatory Approval CEFCC Class BTCO-99TUV-GSULVCCICBBSMICCCC-TICK

Miscellaneous

Power Consumption 48 Watts Exterior Color Silver Platform PC, Mac

the_syco

Well, since the cheapest 17" on Komplett is €214, I'd say yes. ALso, any chance of telling us where you got it, as I'm sure there's lots of people wondering. Oh, and the make as well

roger 2006 yeah

No

Brand: Proview

eBay 4 left

hobie

LIDL has something similar last week .... sold out in just a few minutes ....:eek:

roger 2006 yeah

No

hobie wrote:

LIDL has something similar last week .... sold out in just a few minutes ....:eek:

I was looking at that too, but the Aldi one was 8ms response time = crap ! and it was dearer.

apeking

No

roger 2006 yeah wrote:

I was looking at that too, but the Aldi one was 8ms response time = crap ! and it was dearer.

How is 8ms response time crap?? i taught the lower the better?

Smellyirishman

You are correct Ape.

L31mr0d

roger 2006 yeah wrote:

I was looking at that too, but the Aldi one was 8ms response time = crap ! and it was dearer.

Yeah my TFT is 8ms and its WAY better than a 16ms response time. Do you understand what you mean by response time?

If you are refering to the number of colours a screen can display, and that it is usually (but not always) proportional to a decrease in response time then you are right, if you need your TFT to display as many colours as possible for, say, CAD, then a lower response time might be bad in cheap LCDs. But most reputable suppliers will keep the color variety (i.e. 16+ million colors) and also drop the response time.

Here is a rough guide i came across for what to look for: LCD guide

Sorry to say, but a response time of 16ms is pretty bad, especially for fast paced games. Your going to get ghosting on that monitor. A way to test it is to move the mouse fast across the desktop, if you can see its image "ghost" or trail off behind it then its not a good LCD.

I have one question though, how come you can get a 17" LCD at 1280x1024, and the max you seem to be able to get a 19" is also 1280x1024? shouldn't the pixel width and height increase with an increase in size... i mean shouldn't there be an extra 2"'s of transistors displaying colour?

RuggieBear

Alright

roger 2006 yeah wrote:

I was looking at that too, but the Aldi one was 8ms response time = crap ! and it was dearer.

Erm....not compared to the one you just bought.

I got myself a 19in Acer al1916w widescreen monitor with 8m response time last week for just 300 euro It's been ok for most of the first person shooters i play. A tiny bit off ghosting but only when you are really really looking for it.

Lump

Yes 8 MS is a better response time.....


John

Sparky

I just got myself a 17" TFT off komplett that has 4ms. Lower response time = better, not worse.

roger 2006 yeah

No

i'm gonna put me hand up and say bollix i taught the higher the better, **** it anyway .............

anyone want to buy it?


i've a 15" at the moment i don't know the make of it, how can i test it to see what ms is?

apeking

No

roger 2006 yeah wrote:

i'm gonna put me hand up and say bollix i taught the higher the better, **** it anyway .............

anyone want to buy it?


i've a 15" at the moment i don't know the make of it, how can i test it to see what ms is?

I forgive ya!

roger 2006 yeah

No

thanks


lol...

so what are down points in this 16ms one?, i don't play games on the PC, maybe poker online but that would be.

can anyone tell me how can i test my current 15" to see what ms is?

TomCo

No

A 16ms response time is not 'crap', I remember when a 25ms response time was quite desirable and believed ideal for all games. You've been listening to too much corperate spin.

Just because a new screen is 'faster' doesn't mean the older ones suddenly got slower (although the way people talk about it you'd think they had). A 16ms screen is fine for playing games, I bought a Hitachi CML174SXWB 16ms TFT, quite a popular gaming screen, for €160 a year or so ago and Im very happy with it. Sure, if you want to be pendantic you could squish your face up against the screen and probably notice some ghosting (I don't notice it at all to be honest) but who's going to do that during a game of CS?

I say, enjoy your new TFT and forget about people telling you its got a crap response time. When 1-2ms screens come out people will probably be calling 8ms screens crap for gaming.

roger 2006 yeah

No

thanks TomCo, i was a bit p'ed off when i learned the lower was the better cause i was looking on eBay for about 2 hours making the right decision..

i think for the price i got it at it's still a good purchase. i don't play games. i'm gonna try it out when i get it and if it's ok i'll hold onto it, if it's crap i'll sell it on and maybe go for a 19".

sorry to ask this again but, how if possible can i test the ms of my current TFT, is there a program i can run?

Thanks

RuggieBear

Alright

TomCo wrote:

A 16ms response time is not 'crap', I remember when a 25ms response time was quite desirable and believed ideal for all games. You've been listening to too much corperate spin.

Just because a new screen is 'faster' doesn't mean the older ones suddenly got slower (although the way people talk about it you'd think they had). A 16ms screen is fine for playing games, I bought a Hitachi CML174SXWB 16ms TFT, quite a popular gaming screen, for €160 a year or so ago and Im very happy with it. Sure, if you want to be pendantic you could squish your face up against the screen and probably notice some ghosting (I don't notice it at all to be honest) but who's going to do that during a game of CS?

I say, enjoy your new TFT and forget about people telling you its got a crap response time. When 1-2ms screens come out people will probably be calling 8ms screens crap for gaming.

While you are more or less right...the problem is once you've had a "better" response screen and then go back to the older screen you do tend to notice the flaws that you wouldn't have before hand.

Happened to me with my new screen compared to the old 25ms response 15" lcd i had had.

EDIT: BTW if you don'y play games any screen is more or less fine Roger

roger 2006 yeah

No

cool thanks Ruggie... any s/w to test to see what my 15" ms is ?

roger 2006 yeah

No

here's one TFT/LCD test i found - http://tireal.com/tfttest.zip

i can't seem to find one that will test the ms speed

astrofool

look at the Neovo F-419 here: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/lcd19.html 19" with DVI. Works out at €230 ex VAT, and has very good colours.

Low response times are just a gamer fad atm, all panels in the entire world come from the same two factories (Philips and Samsung) anyway, just the way of measuring the characteristics differs from company to company.

roger 2006 yeah

No

yeah this one i got is a Proview which is Samsung i believe.

i seen 19"'s on eBay for about €270-€280 all inc.

roger 2006 yeah

No

my 17" arrived this morning, i'm delighted with it