First Hand - Irish Open

The Gecko

I wouldnt be surprised if this was asked before, but here we go.

So you have just spent 3.5K on a buy in to the Irish open

First Hand your on the Big Blind and your dealt AA

There is a raise to 200 - 4 or 5 callers

And small Blind pushes All-in for €8000

What would you do? and more importantly why

Smile and try double up or Cringe and fold

Ollieboy

All in, may aswell go out on the first hand than the bubble after 2 days of play. You've already been lucky by getting the AA, so use it and be the early chip leader.

In case you want to know, I would also make this push with KK, in the first hand of the IO or the WSOP. So heres hoping that I'll have that problem in July.lol

ianmc38

Definite fold. I hate going all-in with Aces first hand. Same with KK. I might call with AK as i can outdraw him then.

slegs

call very very quickly...this way the four blokes behind you will know you have AA and fold their unlikely QQ and JJs

what else can you do...the point of the game is to win chips right? when do you get a better chance....


now if there were already two allins then you may think about it a little longer

cardshark202

The Gecko wrote:

I wouldnt be surprised if this was asked before, but here we go.

So you have just spent 3.5K on a buy in to the Irish open

First Hand your on the Big Blind and your dealt AA

There is a raise to 200 - 4 or 5 callers

And small Blind pushes All-in for €8000

What would you do? and more importantly why

Smile and try double up or Cringe and fold

Oh dear god this isn't even a question. I think I might just call here. I have THE NUTS!!!

fuzzbox

slegs wrote:

now if there were already two allins then you may think about it a little longer

Like about 4 nano-seconds longer.

ollyk1

Moody.

Look at my watch.

Ask the TD if a cash game has started yet.

Then very slowly and deliberately PUSH all my chips in followed by a shrug of my shoulders and the utterance of the words "Fúck it I'm all-in".

fuzzbox

I'd actually be wondering why the dude went all-in for only 8k ... WHERES THE OTHER TWO ???????

Thieving git ... I PUT HIM ALL-IN !!! :0)

ianmc38

fuzzbox wrote:

Like about 4 nano-seconds longer.

ianmc38

ollyk1 wrote:

Moody.

Look at my watch.

Ask the TD if a cash game has started yet.

Then very slowly and deliberately PUSH all my chips in followed by a shrug of my shoulders and the utterance of the words "Fúck it I'm all-in".

YES. Have you been reading the tells thread? Sweet. Disguise those aces baby.

The C Kid

Easy fold, I'll just outplay them all later so why would I want to get all my chips in pre-flop against those fishes.

Also my celebrity supermodel girlfriend won't have flown in in our private helicopter yet to sweat me.

karlh

my only concern would be that i might break my wrists pushing them in fast enough.

Hitman Actual

The Gecko wrote:

So you have just spent 3.5K on a buy in to the Irish open

This is the only part I find interesting here: if your buy-in is worth so much to you that you're considering folding the nuts, then you shouldn't be playing that game in the first place.

eirebhoy

lenny_leonard wrote:

This is the only part I find interesting here: if your buy-in is worth so much to you that you're considering folding the nuts, then you shouldn't be playing that game in the first place.

Well, he could have got in through a satellite of a satellite.;)

Hitman Actual

eirebhoy wrote:

Well, he could have got in through a satellite of a satellite.;)

LOL Then he's freerolling for a possible 50K payout! Get those chips in fast!

Dub13

cardshark202 wrote:

Oh dear god this isn't even a question. I think I might just call here. I have THE NUTS!!!

You have the Nuts pre flop,after 5 cards chances are you only have one pair.

Hectorjelly

Dub13 wrote:

You have the Nuts pre flop,after 5 cards chances are you only have one pair.

LOL

Ollieboy

ollyk1 wrote:

Moody.

Look at my watch.

Ask the TD if a cash game has started yet.

Then very slowly and deliberately PUSH all my chips in followed by a shrug of my shoulders and the utterance of the words "Fúck it I'm all-in".

thats a 10 minute fine for the F rule, go to the side lines and your hand is dead.lol

ditpoker

Ollieboy wrote:

All in, may aswell go out on the first hand than the bubble after 2 days of play. You've already been lucky by getting the AA, so use it and be the early chip leader.

In case you want to know, I would also make this push with KK, in the first hand of the IO or the WSOP. So heres hoping that I'll have that problem in July.lol

would you go all in with KK first hand in the wsop?! considering that it is hugely unlikely that someone would go all in on the first hand with QQ or lower, so i'd be thinking your either against KK, not very likely or AA.... if its the world series and you have 10,000 chips and someone pushes all in and you in BB you have to consider that the guy has raised 200 big blinds, what are you putting him on that you'd call with KK?

AA is easy push, KK, first hand, im happy tp put down. but then again maybe thats why you've won a few euro more than me... but just a few!

Bp!

ianmc38 wrote:

Definite fold. I hate going all-in with Aces first hand. Same with KK. I might call with AK as i can outdraw him then.

Im sorry but ....

What hand are you hoping to outdraw AA's aint already beating?

EDIT: ok ok im sure my sacrasim meter was switched off , my bad

ianmc38

Bp! wrote:

Im sorry but ....

What hand are you hoping to outdraw AA's aint already beating?

Oh god.

Dub13

ditpoker wrote:

would you go all in with KK first hand in the wsop?! considering that it is hugely unlikely that someone would go all in on the first hand with QQ or lower, so i'd be thinking your either against KK, not very likely or AA.

Its not that unlikley,I think when you have pocket Kings you will be up against pocket Aces one time every 22,its a hard one as you can easily miss read your opponent and he could have AK,QQ, etc.

Hitman Actual

ditpoker wrote:

AA is easy push, KK, first hand, im happy tp put down. but then again maybe thats why you've won a few euro more than me... but just a few!

KK is different alright. Paul Phillips laid down KK to an all-in in the WSOP last year, but I think there was a series of raises before him. He was sure it was AA. He said later that if the same guy moved in a second time, he'd probably call. A third time and he definately would.

Bp!

ianmc38 wrote:

Oh god.

lol sorry !!

ditpoker

if its a misread and he's on QQ or JJ, or even AK as you said i think i'd acknowledge that i made a wrong read but be content with my fold as i'd be happier to risk my entire tournament at a later stage rather than facing the fear of an outdraw by AK... whereas with AA there's no fear of someone turning over a higher pair.

ollyk1

Ollieboy wrote:

thats a 10 minute fine for the F rule, go to the side lines and your hand is dead.lol

It's the Irish Fúcking Open ffs there would be no players at the table with that rule!!

Actually a thought struck me about this very difficult and tricky "scenario". What if the guy said raise and pushed in 9k of his 10k stack. You immediately go all-in because are a total fish and think you have a less than 80% edge over the field so you have to take your chances.....

Anyway the other guy flips his cards over (KK say) without saying call and there is an awkward silence. Do you ask for a ruling for his hand to be declared dead? How ethical is that? Would the TD rule in your favour in any event?

ollyk1

lenny_leonard wrote:

KK is different alright. Paul Phillips laid down KK to an all-in in the WSOP last year, but I think there was a series of raises before him. He was sure it was AA. He said later that if the same guy moved in a second time, he'd probably call. A third time and he definately would.

This was a bad fold as far as I remember the guy had QQ or AK (very fuzzy memory)

cardshark202

Dub13 wrote:

You have the Nuts pre flop,after 5 cards chances are you only have one pair.

Tick tick tick, my sarcasm meter is strangely quite scanning this post. Lets hope its broken for both our sakes. And when I say our sakes, I mean yours.

BigDragon

Can I have the 2 minutes I spent reading this back please?

Fatboydim

I might be lying or bluffing but I might fold here. Simply because the bloke's a nutcase going all in on the first hand. And in my experience nutcases get very lucky. I think in a game as important as the irish Open or WSOP. You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand. I'd be more confident of getting this guys chips later. Imagine if you call him only to find he has aces and then he hits a flush. I'd have to get locked up after a beat like that.

slegs

Fatboydim wrote:

I might be lying or bluffing but I might fold here. Simply because the bloke's a nutcase going all in on the first hand. And in my experience nutcases get very lucky. I think in a game as important as the irish Open or WSOP. You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand. I'd be more confident of getting this guys chips later. Imagine if you call him only to find he has aces and then he hits a flush. I'd have to get locked up after a beat like that.

what a story to tell in the pub for the next three days tho

cardshark202

Fatboydim wrote:

I might be lying or bluffing but I might fold here. Simply because the bloke's a nutcase going all in on the first hand. And in my experience nutcases get very lucky. I think in a game as important as the irish Open or WSOP. You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand. I'd be more confident of getting this guys chips later. Imagine if you call him only to find he has aces and then he hits a flush. I'd have to get locked up after a beat like that.

Oh my god.

Fatboydim wrote:

You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand.

Fatboydim wrote:

You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand.

Fatboydim wrote:

You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand.

Fatboydim wrote:

You don't want to get all of your chips in until you know you have the best hand.

AA

NinjaBart

clear fold. later on you could make a big call like this but at this point you have no readon the villian and therefore no way of estimating his chances of suckign out on you.

cardshark202

I don't know why I'm still wasting my time on this thread, but since when did it become so popular to fold the nuts (yes the NUTS!!) in holdem'?

BigDragon

NinjaBart wrote:

clear fold. later on you could make a big call like this but at this point you have no readon the villian and therefore no way of estimating his chances of suckign out on you.

Own up! Who forgot to tell me suck outs are based on mis reading ur opponent.......

Do mean something else here?, you do, surely, no....ok.

There is maths to prove you call here everytime. I cant be arseed to do it though. Len, ur such a tease!

ianmc38

BigDragon wrote:

Own up! Who forgot to tell me suck outs are based on mis reading ur opponent.......

Do mean something else here?, you do, surely, no....ok.

There is maths to prove you call here everytime. I cant be arseed to do it though. Len, ur such a tease!

WTF is everyone here talking about. Len got it right. We fold here and wait for a better spot. Jesus.

bohsman

BigDragon wrote:

Own up! Who forgot to tell me suck outs are based on mis reading ur opponent.......

Do mean something else here?, you do, surely, no....ok.

There is maths to prove you call here everytime. I cant be arseed to do it though. Len, ur such a tease!

Sarcasm detector broken? Plenty of posts on page one that should have had it in overdrive.

Hitman Actual

This thread could be good practice for your reading skills: who posted a serious reply, and who's taking the piss.

ditpoker

if you go all in with AA and villain turns over 72 he's only 4/1 underdog... in theory would you take your 3,500 buy-in into a bookies and put it on chelsea at 1/4 against west brom!? i wouldn't... but then again i dont have 3,500!

Dub13

lenny_leonard wrote:

This thread could be good practice for your reading skills: who posted a serious reply, and who's taking the piss.

This whole site is good for that

NinjaBart

BigDragon wrote:

There is maths to prove you call here everytime.

you can prove which decision has the highest expectation (what you meant to say i think) but maths cant prove what decisions people will make in one isolated situation given their motives. everyone has their own motivations whether they appear rational or not.

bohsman

ditpoker wrote:

if you go all in with AA and villain turns over 72 he's only 4/1 underdog... in theory would you take your 3,500 buy-in into a bookies and put it on chelsea at 1/4 against west brom!? i wouldn't... but then again i dont have 3,500!

Your edit is the whole point.

This is a case of all bookies in the world offering 1/4 and then you see one sucker offering 5/4

fuzzbox

ditpoker wrote:

if you go all in with AA and villain turns over 72 he's only 4/1 underdog... in theory would you take your 3,500 buy-in into a bookies and put it on chelsea at 1/4 against west brom!? i wouldn't... but then again i dont have 3,500!

Would you do it, if I gave you even money on Chelsea?

5starpool

This thread has made me want to harm myself........

What if you have trip 2's dealt to you (yes, I know). Would you eat a martian? About a sensible question as all these hypotheticals.

Bah.

ArmaniJeanss

This thread rocks when combined with Vodka and WhiteWidow.

bohsman

5starpool wrote:

This thread has made me want to harm myself........

Not the 2 runner runners then?

sikes

ditpoker wrote:

if you go all in with AA and villain turns over 72 he's only 4/1 underdog... in theory would you take your 3,500 buy-in into a bookies and put it on chelsea at 1/4 against west brom!? i wouldn't... but then again i dont have 3,500!

but your getting evens when u are 4/1 on to win. easy money!

MrPillowTalk

ditpoker wrote:

if you go all in with AA and villain turns over 72 he's only 4/1 underdog... in theory would you take your 3,500 buy-in into a bookies and put it on chelsea at 1/4 against west brom!? i wouldn't... but then again i dont have 3,500!

If the draw was a no result then I would snap your arm off for this bet

5starpool

bohsman wrote:

Not the 2 runner runners then?

None of them were runner runners, that was just Dave adding 'drama' methinks. All the money was in preflop on both occasions though, so that doesn't help.

Cillerxx

ianmc38 wrote:

WTF is everyone here talking about. Len got it right. We fold here and wait for a better spot. Jesus.

Plonker. Absoloute plonker. What better spot may i ask, is better than you having AA and one person in front of you going all in. ?? Having the straight flush after the river, ON the button, with each individual player going all in and then the small and big blinds calling AFTER you...yeah, thats better i guess, but it aint too realistic. This one i can imagine, and you wanna throw it away.

Two words for ya.....Pussy.

ianmc38

Cillerxx wrote:

Plonker. Absoloute plonker. What better spot may i ask, is better than you having AA and one person in front of you going all in. ?? Having the straight flush after the river, ON the button, with each individual player going all in and then the small and big blinds calling AFTER you...yeah, thats better i guess, but it aint too realistic. This one i can imagine, and you wanna throw it away.

Two words for ya.....Pussy.

If i dont flop quads with the pocket aces, I'll usually fold them on the flop. No good even when you flop trips cos there are usually all kinds of straight and flush draws. No point in risking an all-in there cos you ALWAYS get outdrawn.

:rolleyes:

PS: If i used [Sarcasm][/Sarcasm] tags would it make things easier for you?