1966 Ott?

darkman2

Hi, I was just wondering if ppl think the English go too far with 1966. Every week its mentioned and it really irritates me after a while. I mean it was 40 years ago! And yet this world cup we will be bombarded about 'the spirit of 66'. I mean fair enough they won it but give us a break:rolleyes:

Kojak

Yeah, they go way over the top about. They'll probably be talking about it when the next 66 rolls around.

Pigman II

Yes because if we won the World Cup we'd be far to modest to ever mention it again.

(Christ we already think we're the dogs bollocks because we come second in the 6nations rugby every year.)

meditraitor

We would do the same if we won it....................;)

darkman2

meditraitor wrote:

We would do the same if we won it....................;)

For some reason I actually dont agree with that. I think the English just have an obsession that it is their right to win every single world cup when they dont actually have a great team. Tbh I think the world dreads England winning the world cup again:rolleyes:

Lux23

If we won it the whole country would close down for a week and we would still be talking about in 100's of years so no I don't think they are OTT at all.

Litcagral

darkman2 wrote:

Hi, I was just wondering if ppl think the English go too far with 1966. Every week its mentioned and it really irritates me after a while. I mean it was 40 years ago! And yet this world cup we will be bombarded about 'the spirit of 66'. I mean fair enough they won it but give us a break:rolleyes:

If you avoid British television, radio, newspapers etc you will rarely hear much about the 1966 win.

If Albania had won the World cup that year and we watched Albanian television, listened to Albanian radio and read Albanian newspapers, I'm sure we would think that Albania were always going on about their win.

finlma

Of course they don't. If we won a World Cup 40 years ago its all you'd hear about. If you don't like it then stop watching British TV and I bet you support a British football team more than an Irish one.

darkman2

Litcagral wrote:

If you avoid British television, radio, newspapers etc you will rarely hear much about the 1966 win.

If Albania had won the World cup that year and we watched Albanian television, listened to Albanian radio and read Albanian newspapers, I'm sure we would think that Albania were always going on about their win.

Hmmm I dont agree with that either. I mean the English have an inbuilt superiority complex which is distasteful at the best of times. I genuinely think they are OTT about this. They have some world class plauers but they probrably wont win this world cup. And sure how many times have Brazil and Germany won it?:rolleyes:

darkman2

finlma wrote:

Of course they don't. If we won a World Cup 40 years ago its all you'd hear about. If you don't like it then stop watching British TV and I bet you support a British football team more than an Irish one.

I dont support any English team.

finlma

darkman2 wrote:

And sure how many times have Brazil and Germany won it?:rolleyes:

But do you observe German or Brazilian media on a daily basis?

Fair enough about not supporting an English team but so many Irish people follow an English club before an Irish club and are so anti-England. Hypocracy of the highest order.

connundrum

Sure we 'nearly won' the World Cup in 1990.. 250,000 people showed up to congratulate the lads.. and its always on the telly (Packy Bonner's save is anyway). If the English were to watch Irish telly then they'd deffo think that something else happened in Italy that summer

darkman2

finlma wrote:

But do you observe German or Brazilian media on a daily basis?

Fair enough about not supporting an English team but so many Irish people follow an English club before an Irish club and are so anti-England. Hypocracy of the highest order.

Im not anti-England at all. I like England but the carry on is ridiculous. Youd think it was some cosmic event over there:rolleyes:

R-KEANE

If you avoid british tv, radio and newspapers we'd all be saying how boring it is. They dont rub it in anyones face that they won it in 66. They just remind themselves on what its like to win it when the next one comes around. They dont think they have a god given right to win every match either. Brazil do that and it pays off for them.

zuma

I think it must piss off the Scottish,Welsh,Norn Irish off no end as they have no choics BUT to watch British TV which spares no opportunity in reminding themselves of 1966!

robinph

I think that someone is watching too much UK TV and then getting annoyed when they don't talk about the Irish team as much as one of their own teams.

darkman2

robinph wrote:

I think that someone is watching too much UK TV and then getting annoyed when they don't talk about the Irish team as much as one of their own teams.

I dont expect them to talk about the Irish team at all. I wouldnt mind but they won it at a time when international teams the world over were crap. Maybe its more to do with the fact that they think they can win it every time and 1966 is always brought up:rolleyes:

finlma

darkman2 wrote:

when international teams the world over were crap.

Thats a rubbish statement.

A tournament that had Pele, Eusebio, Moore, Charlton, Beckenbaur. To say the teams at theat World Cup were crap shows you know very little about football.

robinph

darkman2 wrote:

I dont expect them to talk about the Irish team at all.

But they do talk about the Irish team as well, when they are involved, far more than they would talk about the French or German teams. But then I don't think that there are a huge number of French and German viewers of the UK media.

darkman2 wrote:

I wouldnt mind but they won it at a time when international teams the world over were crap. Maybe its more to do with the fact that they think they can win it every time and 1966 is always brought up:rolleyes:

It's more a case of that they did win it in the past and reminding themselves that it might be possible again at some point in the future, at least certainly before Ireland will be wining it, and then encouraging support for the team. At least its a better plan than just sitting around complaing that the Germans have won it more times and keep on talking about how many times they won it in the past and all the 'heros' from previous teams, but then they don't watch the German TV, do they?

hullaballoo

Racism! Woo!

The English are racially identical to us, and for the most part are culturally similar. You cannot say that because they get nostalgic about what was a tremendous World Cup win, they are "distasteful", or "over-the-top". We "won"* the War of Independence and we still harp on about it as if it was the greatest achievement known to man.

It's the most ridiculous thing I see repeatedly on boards is this anti-British sentiment. It's time to get over it folks, the English are no different from us.

*We didn't really though.

danniemcq

oh come on they used to have an empire that spanned the globe give them their 66 victory, if they need to cheat and lie to win and be happy then so be it!

WhiteWashMan

darkman2 wrote:

Hi, I was just wondering if ppl think the English go too far with 1966. Every week its mentioned and it really irritates me after a while. I mean it was 40 years ago! And yet this world cup we will be bombarded about 'the spirit of 66'. I mean fair enough they won it but give us a break:rolleyes:

this whole 800 years of oppression really irritates the shít out of me.
i think irish people ought to just get over it.

mdebets

I'm actually quite sorry for them. This 40 year old victory (and even for this they needed the Germans) is the only thing they can bragg about. Just shows how pathetic their team is.

robinph

mdebets wrote:

I'm actually quite sorry for them. This 40 year old victory (and even for this they needed the Germans) is the only thing they can bragg about. Just shows how pathetic their team is.

I belive that they have managed to progress to further stages more often and qualified for more world cups than Ireland has yet to manage? If it upsets you that much then just stop watching Match of the Day and watch the programmes that your own license fee is actually paying for on RTE instead.

LundiMardi

darkman2 wrote:

Hi, I was just wondering if ppl think the English go too far with 1966. Every week its mentioned and it really irritates me after a while. I mean it was 40 years ago! And yet this world cup we will be bombarded about 'the spirit of 66'. I mean fair enough they won it but give us a break:rolleyes:

no, what irritates me is the sad individuals who feel the need to complain about it out of jealousy.

connundrum

connundrum wrote:

Sure we 'nearly won' the World Cup in 1990.. 250,000 people showed up to congratulate the lads.. and its always on the telly (Packy Bonner's save is anyway). If the English were to watch Irish telly then they'd deffo think that something else happened in Italy that summer

Ah, now THAT was a bad World Cup. Dour sides playing dour football, few more so than the Irish team which returned with the impressive record of 5 draws, no wins and 2 goals. And we still talk about it.

mike65

I'd sooner watch Dunphy throw his pencil across the studio than see that save again!

Mike.

cournioni

1966 was a great year...

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mdebets

robinph wrote:

I belive that they have managed to progress to further stages more often and qualified for more world cups than Ireland has yet to manage? If it upsets you that much then just stop watching Match of the Day and watch the programmes that your own license fee is actually paying for on RTE instead.

I'm not upset by it, I'm rather amused, I'f all I had to show was a trophy won 40 years ago, I wouldn't bragg about it, but rather be ashamed.
And just for the record my home team (Germany) won the worldcup more times than England, but do you see us bragging about it?

StupidLikeAFox

The fact that its mentioned doesnt really bother me. Its the lager louts/hooligans chanting "Two world wars and one world cup" and that craic thats a bit annoyin

Plus that whole "Henmania" crap, hes an average tennis player, and every year hes goin to win Wimbledon in some peoples eyes. Its sorta funny when he does get knocked out, feel a bit sorry for the guy himself

R-KEANE

I think it needs to be realised that England have a gold star on their shirt. Lots of countres dont have that. They contiuosly have the potential to win it again and so deserve the right to reflect on their victory and compare it to their current squad. If it bothers you, you can avoid everything english. But that might mean avoiding everything brazilian, german, french, urugauan (sp) and every other country that has won the world cup. good luck.

robinph

mdebets wrote:

And just for the record my home team (Germany) won the worldcup more times than England, but do you see us bragging about it?

Nope I don't see Germany bragging about anything much, but then I don't watch any German TV so I don't think its a fair comparrison as I cannot read their newspapers either.

A better comparrison might be to compare what the UK media do when they have a team win some world something with the US media, which is a bit more accessible to us seeing as they use the same language (mostly). I think you'll find they shout and scream just as much, probably more, whenever they win.

R-KEANE wrote:

I think it needs to be realised that England have a gold star on their shirt. Lots of countres dont have that. They contiuosly have the potential to win it again and so deserve the right to reflect on their victory and compare it to their current squad. If it bothers you, you can avoid everything english. But that might mean avoiding everything brazilian, german, french, urugauan (sp) and every other country that has won the world cup. good luck.

Also worth noting that England were so kean on rubbing Irelands faces in the fact that they had previously won the world cup that they never even botherd to put that star that they were entitled to on their shirt until very recently. It was shortly after the '98 world cup, when they got a new sponsor if I remember correctly, and only becasuse France won that one and then put a star on thier shirt.

mike65

Flogen you may be shocked to learn that Henman has the second best record at Wimbolden after Sampras over the last 10 years. Hence the expectation that and he's a local of course!

Mike.

BringItOn

I agree with the people who argue that we would go on the same way if we were to win a World Cup.We certainly have been known to go OTT on our own sporting achievements.
For example,every time New Zealand play rugby in this part of the world,we are bombarded with talk of Munster beating them in 1977.How many times can they show that same documentary on Irish tv?Although it was a great achievement...it was a FRIENDLY game.What would happen if we were to beat them in a World Cup final.
If Ireland are entitled to have dvds to remind us of recent Triple Crown victories,then surely the English should have their 1966 World Cup victory.The same goes for media coverage.

And it's not only rugby performances that you could argue are not in perspective.I have lost count of the times I have heard references to Ireland beating England in Stuttgart and even glories as far back as the Ireland team who beat England in Goodison Park in 1949(4 years before the mighty Hungarian team were the supposed first overseas team to beat England on home soil.
We should be proud of our past glories and the English are no different!

WhiteWashMan

robinph wrote:

Also worth noting that England were so kean on rubbing Irelands faces in the fact that they had previously won the world cup that they never even botherd to put that star that they were entitled to on their shirt until very recently..

???????

im sorry?????????

they were so keen on rubbing in the fact that the won a world cup into the faces of the irish?

so keen, that they didnt bother to put a star on their shirt until recently??

WTF???????

man, i havent laughed so hard in ages....

mountainyman

robinph wrote:

Also worth noting that England were so kean on rubbing Irelands faces in the fact that they had previously won the world cup that they never even botherd to put that star that they were entitled to on their shirt until very recently. It was shortly after the '98 world cup, when they got a new sponsor if I remember correctly, and only becasuse France won that one and then put a star on thier shirt.

What? The English aren't that bothered about Ireland, they compare themselves with the French, Italians, Germans etc.

Not us. They are better than us at soccer. Accept it move on.

MM

robinph

WhiteWashMan wrote:

???????

im sorry?????????

they were so keen on rubbing in the fact that the won a world cup into the faces of the irish?

so keen, that they didnt bother to put a star on their shirt until recently??

WTF???????

man, i havent laughed so hard in ages....

Sorry, my fault for the missundersatnding there as I forgot to add a large number of and whatever other symbols should be used to signify attempted sarcasm. It was just in response to the fact that a lot of people seem to behave as if the only reason that the English exist is to piss of the Irish who then get upset and offened at everything that they do.

mountainyman wrote:

What? The English aren't that bothered about Ireland, they compare themselves with the French, Italians, Germans etc.

Not us. They are better than us at soccer. Accept it move on.

MM

Again, me trying to make a point but very badly.

The English couldn't give a crap about Ireland as long as there is a good spully of Guinness sent over occasionally, and maybe the odd spare footballer to play for some club or other.

nlgbbbblth

ColHol wrote:

Plus that whole "Henmania" crap, hes an average tennis player, and every year hes goin to win Wimbledon in some peoples eyes. Its sorta funny when he does get knocked out, feel a bit sorry for the guy himself

What the f*ck do you expect?

It's an English tournament, he's an English player. Of course they are going to hype him up. There would be something wrong if they didn't.

nlgbbbblth

Munster constantly going about their 1978 victory over a weakened New Zealand touring side is getting to be pretty annoying.

As for people complaining about England

.................

In Ireland, we support English soccer clubs, frequently instead of our own local teams. We cheer Rooney, Ferdinand, Campbell etc when they play for their clubs but as soon as they turn out for England you will see a sizeable majority of us shouting abuse and rooting for the opposition team (no matter who they are)

Nothing new there then.

One of the reasons people offer for this hypocritical stance is the "English tabloid media" and their "arrogant hyping up of England's chances".

Fair enough - the Sun and the Mirror are particularly bad offenders in this regard.

Therefore my question is - why the hell do so many Irish people buy these tabloids? Ignore the Oirish labelling on the masthead [it's meaningless].
And you'll notice that it the people who buy those tabloids tend to be the same people who hate the English team.

'I hate England. I'd never shout for them - their papers are full of themselves and if they won we'd never hear the end of it.'

Well, if you persist in buying a paper in which extols the virtues/chances of a team you 'hate' well it's no surprise that you'll keeping hearing about it.

blu_sonic

robinph wrote:

I belive that they have managed to progress to further stages more often and qualified for more world cups than Ireland has yet to manage? If it upsets you that much then just stop watching Match of the Day and watch the programmes that your own license fee is actually paying for on RTE instead.

they've a very lage population, much larger than ours, and the so called top league in the world with that kind of pedigree you'd expext them to be in the running every year, and very much expect them to go beyond us year in year out, not to mention they invented the sport.

1 world cup is a poor return for them, but more power to them for harping on about it, we harp on about a 1/4 final spot in italy. they won it and deserve to be proud of it

Guy:Incognito

zuma wrote:

I think it must piss off the Scottish,Welsh,Norn Irish off no end as they have no choics BUT to watch British TV which spares no opportunity in reminding themselves of 1966!

They have theri own regional versions of each of the channels.

ziggy

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R-KEANE

Was in a pub when england were playing in a world cup qualifier. Scotland had gone out hours before. At the end of the match england had went through. A Scottish guy and an irish guy said to me 'makes no difference, we'll get the last laugh when they get kicked out in the quarters'. Dumb, very dumb.

nlgbbbblth

R-KEANE wrote:

Was in a pub when england were playing in a world cup qualifier. Scotland had gone out hours before. At the end of the match england had went through. A Scottish guy and an irish guy said to me 'makes no difference, we'll get the last laugh when they get kicked out in the quarters'. Dumb, very dumb.

those guys are LOSERS.

Would rather see their own country be defeated than England win a game.