ANother live hand. This time its a big preflop decision

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 9:39am #1

SE €75 Double Chance last night. Midway through Level 2 I'm second on chips at my table, comfortable on 7k or so. I've taken my second 2000 chips already.

Blinds at 50/100 1 ubershortstack pushes for 275 or so. Chip leader isolates, pushing for 9k or so. I look down and see QQ.

Not much of a read on the villain. He's very aggressive. I already doubled through him by limping into his small blind from the cutoff with AA. I would think he is making this move with any two broadways or any pocket pair. I am 90% certain he doesn't have KK/AA here.

Call or fold?

fuzzbox · 23-03-2006 9:46am

Given your read ... its not much of a decision !!

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 9:50am

Well if he has AK, then I'm entering a coinflip situation. If I win it, i'll be a massive chip leader. Lose and I'm gone. I think i can outplay him in later hands...

Iceman78 · 23-03-2006 9:55am

I think you have to call based on your read on the chip leader. It looks like he has small pair by the way he played it.

Unless he is a terrible player, no way he would be raising all in to win 275 if he had a big hand especially not with the blinds so small.

I think the chip leader has made a terrible play and you have to call here.

fuzzbox · 23-03-2006 10:00am

ianmc38 wrote:

Well if he has AK, then I'm entering a coinflip situation. If I win it, i'll be a massive chip leader. Lose and I'm gone. I think i can outplay him in later hands...

But your read says - "he probabaly has two broadway cards or a PP".

Yes that includes AK, but it also includes JJ and TT and AQ and AJ.

And if he does have AK its a coinflip situation where you have a 10% edge, AND you have extra value from the shorty.

brianmc · 23-03-2006 10:03am

I am 90% certain he doesn't have KK/AA here.

Yep. That clinched it for me too.

NEXT!

AmarilloFats · 23-03-2006 10:12am

ianmc38 wrote:

Well if he has AK, then I'm entering a coinflip situation. If I win it, i'll be a massive chip leader. Lose and I'm gone. I think i can outplay him in later hands...

you have QQ, you're 90% sure he doesn't have AA KK..When u CALL here, this is out playing him.

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 10:18am

Well the reason I asked was just to see what peoples thoughts are on calling off all your chips early in a MTT in what could potentially be a coinflip situation.

I called after some debate and the rest belongs in the bed beat sticky. Shorty had AKs. Biggy had KJo. Flop brought a K and thats the end of that chapter.

brianmc · 23-03-2006 10:21am

could potentially be a coinflip situation.

The word "potentially" is the important one. It is not a coinflip situation until he turns over AK. Before he turns over AK he could have any two broadway cards or a PP so it would appear based on all available information that your chances are significantly better than 50-50.

Iceman78 · 23-03-2006 10:23am

That is just unlucky. You were big favourite to win the main pot. Got to take those chances to win a tourney as you wont get dealt hands like QQ too often. I would find it hard to throw your hand away at any stage of tourney pre flop. I have thrown away queens before but normally in late stages of tourney to a reraise after my raise against solid players. Have been wrong a couple of times when this happened but was right more often when reraiser showed aces or kings.

5starpool · 23-03-2006 10:53am

This is a situation where I am happy (in a perverted sorta way) to go home early knowing I made the right play, but got sucked out on just.

If you are very confident you are ahead of him (you don't really care about shorty) you have to go with it. Passing this would be letting him bully you when you know you are ahead.

Also, given your position 2 to his right I presume shorty was UTG and idiot was UTG+1 and you BB since you hadn't acted? This makes him even more of a lunatic doing this with KJo.

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 11:02am

UTG, UTG+1 and I was the button if I remember correctly.

5starpool · 23-03-2006 11:28am

Well you couldn't have limped from the CO into his sb with AA surely if that is the case? Unless more players moved to your table in between of course.

Not that this is relevant. This is the type of players who always seems to get luck when they need it and mystifyingly get to the FT, sometimes even win it. All in UTG+1 with KJo ffs!!!

BigDragon · 23-03-2006 11:51am

Just for C Kid

5starpool · 23-03-2006 12:14pm

No offence BigD - but I hate those 'what if' scenarios. Actually, go on, take offence if you want, I am feeling hungry and grumpy.

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 12:32pm

5starpool wrote:

Well you couldn't have limped from the CO into his sb with AA surely if that is the case? Unless more players moved to your table in between of course.

Not that this is relevant. This is the type of players who always seems to get luck when they need it and mystifyingly get to the FT, sometimes even win it. All in UTG+1 with KJo ffs!!!

Players had moved.

Your man is a regular Fitz and Merrion player, fancies himself as bit of a shark :rolleyes:

Wears sunglasses indoors when there's no sun. Looks a little like :cool:

He said he was trying to isolaten the shortstack.

FCUKING SICK

BigDragon · 23-03-2006 12:59pm

5starpool wrote:

No offence BigD - but I hate those 'what if' scenarios. Actually, go on, take offence if you want, I am feeling hungry and grumpy.

No offence taken. Just putting it out there in the context of the OP. Am in a 'nice-guy-dave tree-hugging' mood. Peace. Raise the Lord.

5starpool · 23-03-2006 1:17pm

ianmc38 wrote:

Players had moved.

Your man is a regular Fitz and Merrion player, fancies himself as bit of a shark :rolleyes:

Wears sunglasses indoors when there's no sun. Looks a little like :cool:

He said he was trying to isolaten the shortstack.

FCUKING SICK

Do you know his name? I was going to suggest who I thought it was (oh go on, initials EK).......

iBoT · 23-03-2006 1:22pm

ianmc38 wrote:

Players had moved.

Your man is a regular Fitz and Merrion player, fancies himself as bit of a shark :rolleyes:

Wears sunglasses indoors when there's no sun. Looks a little like :cool:

He said he was trying to isolaten the shortstack.

FCUKING SICK

would that be eamon?:D

5starpool · 23-03-2006 1:34pm

iBoT wrote:

would that be eamon?:D

Looks like my 'wild guess' may have been correct then.

iBoT · 23-03-2006 1:38pm

5starpool wrote:

Looks like my 'wild guess' may have been correct then.

i m not eamon, i guessed 2 coz it sounds like classic eamon play, i hate playing against him in cash games unless ive got the nuts

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 1:45pm

I dont know who he is. Is there any pics of "eamon" on antesup or elsewhere?

5starpool · 23-03-2006 1:45pm

I know you aren't eamon. I am just commenting on the fact that we both thought of the same player.

I love playing Omaha cash games against him.

5starpool · 23-03-2006 1:48pm

ianmc38 wrote:

I dont know who he is. Is there any pics of "eamon" on antesup or elsewhere?

I doubt it.

Dis he wear a baseball cap, and never stop talking? If so that is probably our man. I haven't seen him wearing the glasses in a couple of months though, so maybe not.

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 1:50pm

No baseball cap. The glasses were more 70s style aviators.

The C Kid · 23-03-2006 1:55pm

As well as a bad beat sticky, can we have a coin-flip dilemma sticky as these appear usually once a fortnight and all follow the same format.

1. Pre-flop Dilemma of whether or not you to take coin-flip.

2. Someone notes it may not be a coin-flip against the players range.

3. Someone (usually Gholimoli

) says that they prefer to pass small edges like this in favour of outplaying all the fish lately.

4. Someone posts Matt Matros coin flip article.

5. Player reveals that he did indeed take coin-flip, and lost. Or Player reveals he passed and went onto win the tournament outplaying all the hopeless fish that he has a 90% edge over.

Repeat To Fade.

5starpool · 23-03-2006 1:58pm

We can put all the 'Why is PPP rigged' posts in there too. Thread 101 we can call it.

iBoT · 23-03-2006 1:58pm

5starpool wrote:

I doubt it.

Dis he wear a baseball cap, and never stop talking? If so that is probably our man. I haven't seen him wearing the glasses in a couple of months though, so maybe not.

i still think its him oh well i ll ask him next time i see him

The C Kid · 23-03-2006 2:00pm

And all threads that start with "Did I play this badly?"

If people are trying to disguise a bad beat you think they would at least use a more subtle and original thread name.

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 2:07pm

And all "how can I extract more money with my monster" threads. Oh and all "advice on how to play this hand".

Actually lets merge every thread into one.

ionapaul · 23-03-2006 2:11pm

ianmc38 wrote:

No baseball cap. The glasses were more 70s style aviators.

You won't be happy to hear that he came back from the brink a couple of times on the final table and went out in 2nd, after I refused a 50:50 split, given that I had a 3:1 chip lead heads up!

ianmc38 · 23-03-2006 2:37pm

ionapaul wrote:

You won't be happy to hear that he came back from the brink a couple of times on the final table and went out in 2nd, after I refused a 50:50 split, given that I had a 3:1 chip lead heads up!

That was a tough decision! Whats his name?

DocO · 23-03-2006 2:46pm

as far as i know he is ballyman from here. but im sure he can correct me if im wrong
1st and second for boards so, well done paul on the win!

ollyk1 · 23-03-2006 3:39pm

ionapaul wrote:

You won't be happy to hear that he came back from the brink a couple of times on the final table and went out in 2nd, after I refused a 50:50 split, given that I had a 3:1 chip lead heads up!

Paul you absolute Monster! WP

ANother live hand. This time its a big preflop decision

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