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Posts about Dreams

  • 20-03-2006 10:25am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭


    why oh why do people post about Dreams here. What is paranormal about dreams?
    How can anyone understand your dreams?


Comments

  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Perhaps because we dont have a forum on dreams, and people ask for an interpretation of any paranormal (as in psychic, predictive) elements a dream might have.

    Havent psychologists been interpreting dreams for years?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    I had a dream the other week that I was driving along when the car started vibrating, it felt like the rear left wheel was loose and was going to fall off. Sure enough it did and the car spun into a ditch. I got up the next morning and checked all the wheels, naturally. They were all fine. Drove into work, no problems, and drove around to the shops at lunch, still no problems. When I left work to go home that evening though the rear left tire was almost completely flat.

    The point being that many people believe that their dreams can predict the future, or at least tell them things about their lives that they haven't conciously picked up on through their normal senses.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    Ok, but if you were to do a survery and ask a couple of thousand people what they dreamt of last night, probably a few hundred had dreams about loosing a car tyre. how many actually went on to loosing one though. You found a flat tyre and connected it to your dream. Sometimes dreams are gonna match up to ordinary events, its just a matter of odds. You probably dreamt every night last year, then one morning the dream you had actually has some resemblence to soemthing that really happened the next day. Something very very common to everyone

    getting a flat tyre is a pretty common thing. What about all your other dreams that never come true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Dreams are a link to the subconcious mind.

    The things you see and experience during the day probably effect your dreams through anxiety, joy, etc etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Because sometimes its interesting to hear other people's opinions about something that you thought was striking about a specific dream. Personally, i think its only mental diarrhea, but other people dont feel the same way, and some people do study this area. Of all the areas in Boards where something like this could be posted, the paranormal section seems to be the best. Not to say that dreams ARE paranormal, but it doesnt seem to fit any better in any other section.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    Surely it should fit under "Psychology"


    Like if a mentaly ill person "hears voices" in their head, its not paranormal, its a Psychological problem.

    "The point being that many people believe that their dreams can predict the future" - stevenmu
    This isnt paranormal, this is self delusion. We all have hundreds of dreams. Sometimes they seem too close to reality but we only think this way because we have a very short memory. I mean, i have had some weird dreams that are strange because of what has happened soon after, but last night i had a dream that the world was being taken over by TERMINATORS.

    its like when you are thinking about someone you havent seen in ages and the next minute they send you a txt or you bump into them on the street. We all think this is strange but it is just a very common coincidence. How about all the hundreds of times you think about people and you dont get a txt, or call or bump into them? Its the same thing!

    you pick up so many subliminal messages everyday and at night your mind plays with some of them.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Surely it should fit under "Psychology"


    Like if a mentaly ill person "hears voices" in their head, its not paranormal, its a Psychological problem.
    This is an area we often get to in this forum. The purpose here is to discuss dreams, voices, things that go bump in the night, giving all possible reasons and explanations AND leaving room for the possibility of there being a paranormal interpretation. A blanket statement that all dreams are mental junk, all visions/voices are mental illness, and all ghosts are fraud belongs in the sceptic forum, imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    well, i said if a MENTALY ILL person "hears voices" its a psychological problem, not just anyone.

    It was NOT a blanket staement, a very specific one actually


    And i do believe that people asking a forum of strangers to interpret their dreams is a bit daft. How the hell can we.

    i ask again, how is this paranormal. Also i have been reading this forum a long long time and really enjoy it. I just feel that will all these dream post turning up its just starting to get a bit silly.

    These type of dream questions DO belong in the Psychology forum.

    Surely we have to be allowed question these posts, if only to create a real discussion. As opposed to everyone just accepting everything that is posted, just because its in the Paranormal page.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    CoolGuy. Point taken. I suppose where Im coming from is that one mans mental illness is another mans psychic gift :) Have been called mentally ill in my time...sensitive area :rolleyes:
    My reply was kind of a 'catch all' based on the type of argument thats gone on here before, which Im sure youve seen. I understand that the dream thing is drifting away from cut-and-dried haunting and such, but I dont see how its unacceptable here. I think people see posters here who are open to paranormal/psychic ideas, and so post such questions.
    And i do believe that people asking a forum of strangers to interpret their dreams is a bit daft. How the hell can we.
    Heh, we post all our problems in PI and ask a bunch of strangers to help with them.:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    well, i said if a MENTALY ILL person "hears voices" its a psychological problem, not just anyone.

    Ok, I think that this is an irrelevant argument and I'll go into why in the rest of the post.
    And i do believe that people asking a forum of strangers to interpret their dreams is a bit daft. How the hell can we.

    Well consider the forum and those who populate it. I'm going to try construct an argument as to why people post there dreams here, so bear with me.

    The nature of dreams are open to interpretation. Current opinion floats somewhere between them acting as the brains equivalent of a screen saver, to them being a staging area for analysis of the subliminal information picked up during the day, to them being a subconcious representation of the dreamers anxieties and any internal subconcious conflicts. Whatever the nature, one thing is sure, the subconcious mind and the subliminal information taken in by the brain both play a role in dreams and dreaming.

    Now, many people who post on this form consider themselves to havea form of extra sensory perception (ESP) or psychic ability. I used the term ESP first because the term itself lends itself to the point I'm making. Noone knows exactly how ESP works. Much like dreams there are many opinions to the nature. Descriptions have hit everything from psychics being mere fraudster con-artists, to clever psychologists, to people acting as receivers, picking up electromagnetic resonances or imprints left by the brain to being full blown X-men stype mutants (as I myself have been portrayed of late ;) ). One other popular opinion is that those with ESP have exactly that. Enhanced perception, a stronger link between the concious and the subconcious, allowing them to rapidly process subliminal information into the concious mind. How this is picked up is another matter, it could be via EM or vision or merely psychological analysis but for the sake of the argument it doesn't matter.

    When you mix the two - refelections of our subconsious perceptions that we don't understand and those with enhanced perceptions, is it any wonder that so many people go to psychics for dream analysis.

    Which moves on to.......
    i ask again, how is this paranormal. Also i have been reading this forum a long long time and really enjoy it. I just feel that will all these dream post turning up its just starting to get a bit silly.

    These type of dream questions DO belong in the Psychology forum.

    Well it does belong here in the context of what I posted above - I have no way of "proving" the link I have made above, but as far as explanations go into why so many people post "Dream threads" here, its as good as any. It may not be that the dreams themselves are paranormal, but perhaps the posts are posted here because of a perceived paranormal ability in the posters that answer them.
    Surely we have to be allowed question these posts, if only to create a real discussion. As opposed to everyone just accepting everything that is posted, just because its in the Paranormal page.

    People post in the forums the do, based on the type of response they want to their post.

    For instance, most things posted here would fit equally well in the ISS forum. But those who post here are looking for a different type of response.

    Likewise, if I had a week of some terrible repeating nightmare, I could post in several forums. I could go to Personal Issues, Psychology, Spirituality, Paranormal or (god forbid) even After Hours. Where I post, would dictate the type of answers and that is at the OP's discretion and I'm not about to ban a type of post if the poster WANTS people from this forum to give opinions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Psi, ESP is paranormal because it is currently unexplained by science. Dreams are not unexplained, and the study of the subconscious mind probably belongs in the realm of psychology.

    As many will know, I'm not overly fond of dream threads in paranormal, or the 'recommend a good psychic' threads - I see these things as 'pop-paranormal' or things that people who don't know much about science or the paranormal are interested in. That's not to say that genuine prophetic dreams are not of merit, but dreams about random junk which are interpreted to have deeper meaning, probably do not belong in paranormal imo. However, I don't make the rules! :)

    I think it's demographics of the forum, and of boards - a lot of people will be paranormal laymen. Many seem to be more interested in psychics, spiritualism and dream interpretation, whereas I am more interested in other paranormal phenomenon and deeper mysteries. I guess some posters we see will be only beginning the journey, and may not have really delved into the paranormal - thus misunderstanding the science behind dreams, brain functioning, sleep paralysis, REM etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Kernel wrote:
    Psi, ESP is paranormal because it is currently unexplained by science. Dreams are not unexplained, and the study of the subconscious mind probably belongs in the realm of psychology.
    I get what you're saying but I think you missed my point. Perhaps they don't come here because they think dreams are paranormal, perhaps the come here because they feel there are people here with an ability to read them (ie. ESP etc).
    That's not to say that genuine prophetic dreams are not of merit, but dreams about random junk which are interpreted to have deeper meaning, probably do not belong in paranormal imo.
    To quote Kavanagh, "gods make their own importance". We're not really in a position to judge without seeing the posts first ;)
    I think it's demographics of the forum, and of boards - a lot of people will be paranormal laymen. Many seem to be more interested in psychics, spiritualism and dream interpretation, whereas I am more interested in other paranormal phenomenon and deeper mysteries. I guess some posters we see will be only beginning the journey, and may not have really delved into the paranormal - thus misunderstanding the science behind dreams, brain functioning, sleep paralysis, REM etc.
    Well thats the thing you see. The forum should be open to both type. Its a harsh thing to say, but perhaps your better off ignoring those threads if they bother you and focusing on the more complex threads instead?


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Psi, can see why I never got on the debating team. Good response, thats what id like to have said, but didnt.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    psi wrote:
    I get what you're saying but I think you missed my point. Perhaps they don't come here because they think dreams are paranormal, perhaps the come here because they feel there are people here with an ability to read them (ie. ESP etc).

    Maybe so, but do you believe a psychic can employ ESP over the internet from reading posts? ;)
    psi wrote:
    Well thats the thing you see. The forum should be open to both type. Its a harsh thing to say, but perhaps your better off ignoring those threads if they bother you and focusing on the more complex threads instead?

    That's what I do! :) It's not that they bother me so much anyway tbh, I'd just prefer if more people were interested in discussing the weirder stuff, but as I said, the people who use and post on the forum decide the content - demographics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Kernel wrote:
    Maybe so, but do you believe a psychic can employ ESP over the internet from reading posts? ;)


    Why not, we are all contected, all we need is a focus point to work from, a post can help with that.


    Kernel wrote:
    That's what I do! :) It's not that they bother me so much anyway tbh, I'd just prefer if more people were interested in discussing the weirder stuff, but as I said, the people who use and post on the forum decide the content - demographics.


    Well then if you ahve a problem with the threads here why dont you start more, no point be diheartened if ur not going to offer anything "better". have you started a thread which was on "weirder stuff" and no one replied? So you cant say people are interested.


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Kernel wrote:
    Maybe so, but do you believe a psychic can employ ESP over the internet from reading posts? ;)

    Yes. Not all the time and with everybody, I mean I cant read your mind now.;) Lets face it if I maintain I can contact the dead, the internet should be a doddle. (Im being funny but making a serious point, whatever it is that creates a psychic link, distance is no obstacle)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper


    KatieK wrote:
    (whatever it is that creates a psychic link, distance is no obstacle)

    I agree... I was able to pick up how people were feeling from 400 to 4000 miles away at one point... it's mad. Empathy is a crazy skill at times...

    Edit: and like Kitty Kat (:D), I don't do it with everyone, though it's stroget with those I have a connection to...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    dublin6th wrote:
    Well then if you ahve a problem with the threads here why dont you start more, no point be diheartened if ur not going to offer anything "better". have you started a thread which was on "weirder stuff" and no one replied? So you cant say people are interested.

    I've tried, and I've posted to the interesting ones, but inevitably they fizzle out like an orb before the naked eye, and are soon disregarded for Derek Acorah, or dream threads.

    I don't want to come across as moaning, I accept that the forum is what the people make of it and reflect what the people are interested in - but even reading that earlier thread about good paranormal books, I felt the scope was narrow tbh.

    KatieK, the force may be strong with you, but my psychic powers are rubbish, as Cheltenham will reflect. ;)


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,425 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    Kernel wrote:
    KatieK, the force may be strong with you, but my psychic powers are rubbish, as Cheltenham will reflect. ;)
    yeah, and my middle name is yoda ;) Ive noticed that any interesting threads where people post information, stories, photos etc go like this:

    -"I saw my dead grandma last night"
    -"No you didnt, you musta been dreaming"
    -"It was real, Im sure!"
    -"Prove it"
    ...thread fizzles....
    or
    -"Heres a really interesting ghost photo"
    -"Thats a fake"
    ...thread fizzles...

    Arguing any point here kinda goes nowhere, and I think Dub6th has the only way around it, which is meeting irl, to get to know the real people behind the stories. Tho the admins may disagree.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    KatieK wrote:
    yeah, and my middle name is yoda ;) Ive noticed that any interesting threads where people post information, stories, photos etc go like this:

    -"I saw my dead grandma last night"
    -"No you didnt, you musta been dreaming"
    -"It was real, Im sure!"
    -"Prove it"
    ...thread fizzles....

    I think there are a couple of threads here of late that haven't gone that way at all.

    most notably this one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    Or, you could have seen a lion on National geographic or somewhere else earlier in the day/week and it appeared in your dream

    Really, this is getting ridiculous. Its one thing for a guy to ask for help interpreting a dream but its another thing to actually tell the guy what it all means.

    You can look for metaphors and hidden meaning in everything. Like 2 people looking at a piece of modern art. Everyone sees things differently so surely you should be the only one to interpret your own dreams. (if you feel they need intepreting)

    So yes, the "lion" COULD have symbolised something, OR COULD be just a random thought of a LION you have seen in the past or whatever.

    I think for people start translating dreams here is wreckless and stupid


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Or, you could have seen a lion on National geographic or somewhere else earlier in the day/week and it appeared in your dream

    Really, this is getting ridiculous. Its one thing for a guy to ask for help interpreting a dream but its another thing to actually tell the guy what it all means.

    You can look for metaphors and hidden meaning in everything. Like 2 people looking at a piece of modern art. Everyone sees things differently so surely you should be the only one to interpret your own dreams. (if you feel they need intepreting)

    So yes, the "lion" COULD have symbolised something, OR COULD be just a random thought of a LION you have seen in the past or whatever.

    I think for people start translating dreams here is wreckless and stupid
    Coolguy2006.

    You started on about this in the other thread (to where I'm moving this post) and it was discussed.

    Why on earth you think you can then go ahead and post this here is beyond me.

    You had your say it was discussed, if you have an issue with it, I'm the one you direct it at in the original thread you started. You don't go dragging it up in every thread you disagree with.

    Consider this a friendly warning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    So posts arent open to discussion if there are other points of view. i see the same points being made in many threads, why is this any different.

    The paranormal forum seems to be a "say whatever you like" cos people cant question it type place. And also, whoever posted the "Lion Dream" post may not have read my other post. I was simply giving him my point of view. i wasnt attacking him, just sharing MY opinion like everyone else. (He did ask)

    Ive clearly upset you, sorry

    And, i think it is very strange people trying to translate other people dreams here. What studies have they done, what research into the subject have they done. it just undermines the whole subject you are trying to protect.

    Its like me asking my milkman about a lump i found on my back.

    You arent allowed give medical advice in PI, why are you allowed make psychological assesments here? Who knows what people looking for answers in their dreams might take from them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    So posts arent open to discussion if there are other points of view. i see the same points being made in many threads, why is this any different.

    Posts are open to discussion. However, your post was less about discussing the post as it was carrying your campaign from this thread imho.
    The paranormal forum seems to be a "say whatever you like" cos people cant question it type place. And also, whoever posted the "Lion Dream" post may not have read my other post. I was simply giving him my point of view. i wasnt attacking him, just sharing MY opinion like everyone else.

    Actually, but for two lines in your post, I may have agreed with this. However, your last line and the opening to the second paragraph makes me think otherwise.

    As for the type of place Paranormal is, if you take the time to read the forum charter (which you should have done before posting here in the first place), then you wouldn't need to ask that question.

    Ive clealy upset you, sorry
    Not at all. :)

    And, i think it is very starange people trying to tranaslate other people dreams here. What studies have they done, what research into the subject have they done. it just undermines the whole subject you are trying to protect.
    I think you're missing the point of the who paranormal thing. I don't think you can do courses in it.

    People go to readings all the time about their dreams, people go, and have gone throughout history, to witches, psychics, clairvoyants, empaths etc etc etc to have their dreams "translated".

    If someone posts on paranormal, its safe to assume that they aren't looking for a freudian analysis or any certified psychological qualification in the posters.
    Its like me asking my milkman about a lump i found on my back.
    Actually no, its like you asking the village witch about the lump you found on your back.

    You arent allowed give medical advice in PI, why are you allowed make psychological assesments here? Who knows what people looking for answers in their dreams might take from them.

    Can you show me any place on any thread here that claims it is giving a psychological assesment? As I said before, you have PI, AH, Psychology to post on abot dreams. If you choose paranormal, its pretty obvious you're looking to those who don't have conventional qualifications.

    I may suggest, if you really feel strongly on the subject, start a thread on it in the ISS forum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    "Normally I dont put much, or any thought into my dreams, but I have a lot of bad sh*t happening in my life right now, and I have an awful lot of doubt about the future in my mind and wonder if this dream might have some significance.
    thanks"

    Ok, im not trying to rain on anyones parade here, im not casuing trouble for the sake of it. The Quote above is why i replied to the "Lion Dream" post. Here is a guy that doesnt normally think about his dreams but because he is in a bit of a LOW at the moment he wants answers.

    he told us a bit about his dream and that is fair enough. I do be interested in hearing about other peoples dreams. What i have a problem with is people telling this guy how they interpret his dream. I dont think this is safe, especially for people who appear to be in a lower state than they normally are, see quote above.

    For someone looking for answers as a sign of better things to come, i think they are very willing to take The boardies translations to heart. Positive though they may seem.

    And yes, i know you cant study paranormal things in the common sense but Psychology has been studied for years. Now dont go complaining that i used the word psychology :-)

    And also, this lads dream isnt about anything paranormal as we have discussed in this post earlier. this is a basic run of the mil dream that he wants to connect to the real world - thus, the paranormal link

    I just wanted to let him that there are other ways of looking at it. I think it would be unfair to have a one sided response in this case.

    Dont worry, i wont go around hijacking all the dream threads, thats not even what i was doing here. He asked for opinions and i gave mine.

    I think it was the other people in that thread who were being careless


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,999 ✭✭✭solas


    I mean, i have had some weird dreams that are strange because of what has happened soon after, but last night i had a dream that the world was being taken over by TERMINATORS.
    so it's not then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Ok, im not trying to rain on anyones parade here, im not casuing trouble for the sake of it. The Quote above is why i replied to the "Lion Dream" post. Here is a guy that doesnt normally think about his dreams but because he is in a bit of a LOW at the moment he wants answers.

    Not sure what your point is in relation to any of the discussion above in this thread.

    Are you actually reading the replies?
    he told us a bit about his dream and that is fair enough. I do be interested in hearing about other peoples dreams. What i have a problem with is people telling this guy how they interpret his dream. I dont think this is safe, especially for people who appear to be in a lower state than they normally are, see quote above.

    And again, lots of people in various states of mind visit soothsayers of all types about their dreams. If you post on paranormal its for this reason imho.
    For someone looking for answers as a sign of better things to come, i think they are very willing to take The boardies translations to heart. Positive though they may seem.
    Or a mediums if they went there instead, in fact why would anyone ever go to a medium or psychic? To look for a sign of better things usually?
    And yes, i know you cant study paranormal things in the common sense but Psychology has been studied for years. Now dont go complaining that i used the word psychology :-)
    I've nothing against psychology, I've studied it myself and I'm not bad at it. I don't see your point though (still).
    And also, this lads dream isnt about anything paranormal as we have discussed in this post earlier. this is a basic run of the mil dream that he wants to connect to the real world - thus, the paranormal link
    No, the way I see it. He (and all like him) are puzzled by their dream and want a medium/psychic interpretation.
    They come here, because the forum is used by people who are psychic/mediums. Its an easy equation.

    Now, in fairness, I think I know what you're getting at "people with problems should go to professionals" and I agree. However, where do we draw the line? If we say "you can't post bad dreams here, go to a psychologist" - then how many steps away are we from "you can't post here if you're down/sad/missing someone/unsure go to a psychologist" which is a mere half step away from "nobody is allowed analyse anyone else unless you are a qualified psychologist" - which isn't going to happen.

    If people post here, thats fine with me. If you don't like it, don't read the threads but don't go around slating them. That is against the forum rules and I look ill upon such things.
    I just wanted to let him that there are other ways of looking at it. I think it would be unfair to have a one sided response in this case.
    Did you read the charter? Do you see what the forum is called?
    Dont worry, i wont go around hijacking all the dream threads, thats not even what i was doing here. He asked for opinions and i gave mine.


    I think it was the other people in that thread who were being careless[/QUOTE]
    Well you can solve your issue with it by avoiding the threads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Hi everybody,

    It appears that I may have annoyed some people with my previous thread, and first and foremost I would like to apologize for that. It was not my intention to annoy anybody with that post.

    Coolguy, I can see exactly where you are coming from on your comments, and I understand that no-one can interpret others dreams precisely, and a lot of these images will depend on the persons state of mind. I know that if we all started to post about dreams, the forum would become full or colorful descriptions in no time, and probably leave little or no space for more paranormal discussions.

    To be honest, the reason I posted that one specifically, is that a friend of mine is involved in dream interpretation and told me that a lion is one of the most powerful symbols you can dream of, and that it could mean great things to come, or terrible things to come. Normally my dreams are made of the type of mental poo that most dreams are made of, but this one stood out for its clarity, its symbolism (I'm told) and the fact that it ingrained itself in my mind so solidly. Because of the fact that someone who knows about these things said such a thing, I thought I would request to see if anyone else had heard the same thing. As i mentioned before, I thought this would be the best place, but I have been mistaken in that assumption. Also, please note that my request was out of interest only, and I was not seeking confirmation of anything, or for some guidance in my life, or anything any deeper than simply hearing the opinions of people who may know about this stuff.
    Apologies to all who may be annoyed/offended/distracted by that thread. Mods, I'd be pleased to see the original thread deleted if possible. In future, I will keep the threads to more deeply paranormal subjects, and avoid the physcology aspect entirely.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    "Well you can solve your issue with it by avoiding the threads."

    well they say ignorance is bliss :-)

    jaysis, i had another load of sh*te just typed there, ill save you the trouble, i erased it myself :-).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 286 ✭✭CoolGuy2006


    Hey Archeron. Buddy, you didnt annoy or offend me or anything like that. I hope i didnt give you the feeling i was. Jaysis, i wouldnt let anything like this bother me at all.

    I was just worried and confused at how people on boards were gonna translate your dream. i mean, its a pretty big statement to make. And maybe an important one for you.

    I just dont want people coming here looking for answers and not getting the ones they want, aslo, getting answers that hurt or scare them, or confuse them even more

    Please brother, feel free to Post whatever you want. I should let yis all get on with things.

    I just dont know how you would feel if someone translated your dream in a negative way, something that may linger with you. These translations are usually positive ones or ones that can show that you are working on a problem, struggling. This is why i think even the translations are a bit one sided, people are always concious that they may hurt the dreamers feelings. therefore, how honest can the translator be if they are concious and care for your feelings.

    Like if i was translating your dream, i would try to see the positive side of it and move it in that direction, do you get what im saying. But what you told me, i could make it the total opposite and a darker translation. It can go either way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,414 ✭✭✭Archeron


    Fair point coolguy, accepted with gratitude for your consideration on such matters..

    There we go, wouldnt it be nice if more threads ended peacefully! :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Finally have some free time to start catching up on some posts, apologies in advance for the old threads I'm about to dig up.
    getting a flat tyre is a pretty common thing. What about all your other dreams that never come true.
    who said my other dreams don't come true ? ;)

    The way I see dreams and the paranormal, is that dreams can often reveal information to us that we didn't realise how we picked up. In my case it turned out a nail got embedded in the tyre causing a slow puncture. It could be that I somehow predicted I'd drive over a nail, or I could have somehow unconciously realised that I already did. The point is that it's unexplained how I picked up that information, and that's what the paranormal really is, the unexplained.

    As for the coincidence/statistics argument, there's another way of looking at it. I've had exactly 1 dream about a tyre problem, I've had exactly 1 tyre problem the day after a dream about about a tyre problem. That's a 100% success rate :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    stevenmu wrote:
    As for the coincidence/statistics argument, there's another way of looking at it. I've had exactly 1 dream about a tyre problem, I've had exactly 1 tyre problem the day after a dream about about a tyre problem. That's a 100% success rate :)

    The thing about coincidence is that such a 100% success rate can still happen - although this is not really an example of that. Think of how many thousands of dreams you have had which didn't come true. Now 1 dream has come true, so that's not 100% success rate, it's a coincidence - probably. ;)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Yeah, I'm not really trying to claim 100%, just point that you can't definitly say something is just coincidence. It's possible that only some dreams contain some paranormal element, equally possible that none do, and equally possible that all do (we don't generally remember everything that happens in a dream).

    Personally I think that some, but not all, dreams have some signifigance and are giving us information we wouldn't other wise be aware of. We've all experienced dreams that somehow seem more important and real than others (at least I presume everyone else gets that). Sometimes these dreams have turned out, for me at least, to have some signifigance. There could be any number of 'normal' explanations for these, or more likely a variety of reasons, but untill they're figured out it's still a paranormal subject.

    (I've had a notebook beside my bed for a few months now to record dreams, but so far I haven't remembered to actually use it once. I'm not really a morning person :) )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Fair enough Steve, until they figure out the quantum mechanics of the brain, there;s not telling the real meaning of our thoughts, insights and dreams. Although I have had enough meaningless dreams, as have most other people, to dismiss the fact that they are all paranormal, rather than normal/natural.

    However, we can all give significance to our dreams - or experiences.To me, some are worth significance, some are not.

    Either way, the notebook idea is a good one, since I know I have dreamt about half a dozen good book or movie ideas - and not been able to remember the full details the next day! :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Kernel wrote:
    Either way, the notebook idea is a good one, since I know I have dreamt about half a dozen good book or movie ideas - and not been able to remember the full details the next day! :)

    Best way to start Lucid Dreaming. I was successful inside a week. I got distracted and stoppped but I really should get back to Lucid Dreaming, that was cool.


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