More elections.

dajaffa

Well the exec and programme officer elections are nearly upon us. Who's going for them + who's going to win?

AngelofFire

I Chris Bond am going for Arts Programme Representative officer, theres two seats for this, from what i understand Conor Dixon of First arts is also going for the position.

besty

Best of luck. There's a guy from my year going for finance officer. We had to sign a sheet getting him the nomination on the last day of term.

TheVan

I wonder will Enda Duffy run for anything considering he lost and desperately wants power.....(in my opinion!)

Sangre

won't be getting my vote angeloffire.

Pythia

I'm pretty sure the current Finance Officer, Eugenia Kazakova, is seeking re-election.

pretty*monster

Sangre wrote:

won't be getting my vote angeloffire.

Well, as a law student you're not eligible to vote in the Arts programme office elections anyway.

G'wan the Bond lad!


Nominations of exec are...
The Finance Officer
Kazakova, Eugeniya
Quinlivan, Stephen

The Irish Language Officer / Oifigeach na Gaeilge
Ó’Bradáin, Darragh
O’Sullivan, Dónal

The Women’s Officer
Phelan, Linda
Rushe, Carol-Anne

The Communications & I.T. Officer
Redmond, Gary

(the joys of copying and pasting from the newswire).

Despite my 'hack' status I have no idea who Stephen Quinlivlan or Dónal O’Sullivan are.

I'll be supporting Darragh for Oifigeach na Gaeilge because he seems to care about Irish... and stuff (ok I admit it, I can barely string a few words of Gaeilge together).

Don't really give much of a toss about the other positions, Nice to see competition for them. Good for democracy and all that jazz. (None were contested last year).

The existence of the Woman’s officer has become a tad contentious in recent years, which is a shame because there's a lot of good work that can be done there. Unfortunately, though I'd say both candidates would be more than capable of dealing with welfare cases and organising a women's week, I doubt we'd see them do anything interesting, or revolutionary, like raising awareness of the fact that fear of genital mutilation isn't generally accepted as grounds for gaining asylum in Ireland, promoting the union's non-directive policy, calling for cheaper sanitary products in the vending machines, or pointing out that, yes, sexism is still an issue in ucd, and Ireland in general

Sangre

Not that I'd vote anyway!

pretty*monster

Sangre wrote:

Not that I'd vote anyway!

Indeed, heaven forbid!

Pythia

Isn't Darragh O'Irishname a big socialist?

pretty*monster

Pythia wrote:

Isn't Darragh O'Irishname a big socialist?

Yeah, and I'm sure his big plan is to use the hugely powerful Irish Language Office to nationalise the economy. Then he'll invade Poland. :rolleyes:

Pythia

pretty*monster wrote:

Yeah, and I'm sure his big plan is to use the hugely powerful Irish Language Office to nationalise the economy. Then he'll invade Poland. :rolleyes:

Well Orla Tracey ran for Pres after being Irish Language Officer. It's a way to get your name out there.
Anyway, I am right? He is a socialist?

AngelofFire

Rumour has it he is also supportive of the Peoples Republic of North Koreas Nuclear armament, claiming that a ''workers bomb'' is needed in the defence against capitalism. In his spare time darragh enjoys spending quality time with his family, collecting stamps and playing in is band, he is also a well known connoisseur of the uisce beatha[/sarcasm]

pretty*monster

Pythia wrote:

Well Orla Tracey ran for Pres after being Irish Language Officer. It's a way to get your name out there.
Anyway, I am right? He is a socialist?

After the amount of lies that buzzed around the place about me when I was standing for election (and I got of pretty lightly), I don't feel particularly comfortable doling out information on the internet about mates. Freedom of assosiation and all that jazz. Ask him yourself sure.

And, really, would him being a socialist stop you from voting for him. Wouldn't it be better to look at what he wants to do for the Irish language next year?

I don't personally have a lot of times for Orla's politics, but there's no doubt that she was a very good irish language officer and if I could turn the clock back I'd vote for her again. Political persuasions don't tell you everything.

Pythia

pretty*monster wrote:

And, really, would him being a socialist stop you from voting for him. Wouldn't it be better to look at what he wants to do for the Irish language next year?

Yes, it absolutely would. But I don't want to get into a big argument.

AngelofFire

Well Phytia if you think you could do a better job, why didnt u run for it?

Pythia

AngelofFire wrote:

Well Phytia if you think you could do a better job, why didnt u run for it?

I never said I could do a better job. This argument is always used by SU types. It's not my duty to run for election. I have neither the time, or inclination.
I can, however, vote for the person I think is best for the job, or vote RON. And I'm obviously not going to vote for someone who has opposing views to my own.

valor

Stephen Quinlivan is Vice Auditor of B+L this year

scop

What views, keeping a roving out for reds under the bed? I kid.

I will vote Bond, nto because he is a socialist because I am the type who would have cheered the lads invaded Poland but because Chris is aight by me.

TheVan

Oooh....hows about a

"Name and Shame Socialist Student Politicians" thread

so we can identify them just in case we accidentally vote for them?

Here's a link to UCD labour youth so you can stop them before they stop you!

pretty*monster

sketch lads, they're everywhere!

Vainglory

Pathetic.

Scraggs

Vainglory wrote:

Pathetic.

Who's that aimed at?

TheVan

Presumably me (and maybe Pythia!)

Vainglory, to be a politician you'd want to develop a thicker skin! Smile, have a laugh! Obviously I'm not going to start a name and shame thread!

Some of my best friends are strong labour/socialist supporters!

The_Minister

How about name the ones running and say left/right?

pretty*monster

Firespinner wrote:

How about name the ones running and say left/right?

Argh, too reductive!

The_Minister

pretty*monster wrote:

Argh, too reductive!

Thats all we need to know;)
I'm guessing after the recent whuppin the left took their trying to hide the red flag:D

AngelofFire

Not at all im proud to be left

Samos

Firespinner wrote:

How about name the ones running and say left/right?

How about: forget the whole left/right bull**** and concentrate on what is relevant to the positions?

pretty*monster

No-o, I have a massive problem with people who wan't even everything bolied down for them. Everyone should inform themselves about the issues and vote accordingly.

I had a big rant at The Observer interview panel when they asked me if I was 'right' or left' it's a reductive term. I mean, there's anarchism, socialism, communism, liberalism, libertarianism, communitarianism, belief in direct action, belief in compromise, anti-war, anti-deportations, more government, less governemnt, belief in passifism, belief in armend revolution, pro-choice, access to education, subsidised this that and the other...
loads of stuff that 'left' and 'right' don't tell you.

To put it another way, I could say about any of the candidates. They are running for election to a unions. Unions are by their nature entities of the left. Therefore they are all lefties.

A lot of people would disagree with me, perhaps rightly. But it wouldn't make my statement any less true than other generalisations about the left and right.

pretty*monster

Samos wrote:

How about: forget the whole left/right bull**** and concentrate on what is relevant to the positions?

Amen

The_Minister

Samos wrote:

How about: forget the whole left/right bull**** and concentrate on what is relevant to the positions?

It is relevant. How people deal with issues is different with left or right. Not only that but orgs like the SWP often say that a common socialist tactic is to infiltrate (their word) and subvert organisations, ie. take places in trade unions to manipulate their running

panda100

Ive decided Im just gonna write on the newswire about this one cos tis not fair to annoy the other boardies with our political mumbo jumbo.Im not writing under my real name anymore in newswire cos I always get personally attacked over there so Il givya a tenner if anyone can find out my pseudoname??:)
Just one little thing in relation to darragh.I have to admit he was without a doubt THE soundest person in labour youth UCD.He was always friendly to me along with him and chris,He even offered to teach me the uileann pipes-ahhh-so sweet!I think my neighbours eardrums were relieved when I declined that offer:D

Vainglory

panda100 wrote:

Il givya a tenner if anyone can find out my pseudoname??:)

Is it "ronan medic"? Lol.

singingstranger

Vainglory wrote:

Is it "ronan medic"? Lol.

*chuckle*

A lot of people, incidentally, are poking me in the direction of the Business & Law PRO... no deal, folks, I'm going on Erasmus next year and very much looking forward to it. So just thought I'd clear that up.

Dónal O'Sullivan, incidentally, is a very active rep for 1st Commerce and very involved in Órla's operations this year as ILO. This isn't me electioneering, mind, I've a lot of time for Darragh too, but pretty*monster didn't know who he was so I thought I'd make that known.

Blush_01

I'm with Samos - who cares who you're politically affiliated to as long as you do the job to the best of your ability and benefit the widest number of students?

You can please all of the people some of the time. You can please some of the people all of the time. But you can't please all of the people all of the time. I'll settle for most of the people being pleased most of the time.

Chris, on your comment to Pythia re: running herself if she wasn't happy - Why do we elect people into these positions if we could all just do it ourselves? Most of us have other priorities and maybe aren't politically motivated, while we may have firm ideals and beliefs. We express these as we vote, by casting our vote for the person we most want to speak for us, when we can't feasibly speak individually for ourselves. That's the idea behind voting, isn't it? Some people, in choosing who they want to take a position, look at that person's personal political affiliations, as that gives said voter a picture of what the person they're voting for believes in. If Pythia is one of those people, as many are, then more power to her, she's entitled to it. Others don't care about someone's personal political affiliations, but rather about the promises they make both in manifestos and in person. If Pythia is more like that, then more power to her, she's entitled to that too. It's her decision, and telling her that her opinion isn't valid leaves others (and I say this from my own personal opinion) with a very narrow view of you. Maybe you should be less easily offended and focus more on getting your point out there than attempting to score petty points on someone who doesn't care? Fodder to chew on.

Chinafoot

Samos wrote:

How about: forget the whole left/right bull**** and concentrate on what is relevant to the positions?

Our survey says...*DING* *DING* *DING* *DING* [/les dennis]

If this descends into an anti-lefty/righty/socialist/communist/liberalist/whatever-ist mudfight I will lock it.

dajaffa

Any word on the PROs. I'd say there's a pretty good chance that we'll be left with some with no-one running like Ag/Vet, Health Sci and Nursing, especially considering the relativley short notice to submit signatures when we're back in college.

Vainglory

I think these PRO's could well turn into being a bit of a sham, tbh. I've always been wary of creating positions for people who want positions.

panda100

Vainglory wrote:

Is it "ronan medic"? Lol.

Oh vainglory I forgot how witty you were-how Ive missed your light hearted amusing jokes around here!I hear comedy soc are looking for an auditor??Or since Enda has a lot of time free now maybe he can run-his manifesto was a laugh a minute so he's already got his foot in the door .....
Quick run and tell enda,dermot,darren,darragh,chris and all the lefty boys(since theres only like 2 girls involved with ucd left) Im being mean but once again vainglory,YOU started it.Considering your the education officer and Im just a lowly student you should treat us students u represent with a bit more respect instead of calling pythia and the van 'pathetic'.Number one its very unladylike and two,your an elected union representative and thus should behave as one.

Thought this would intrest the boardies though.Anything the union passes at council from here on in is a joke to me.There are many people making descisions for us at council who arent even elected to begin with.I think its a disgarce that these 'class reps' have the sheer hypocrisy to propose a motion apparently on behalf of their class.
I give you an example of Conor Mc Gowan who is the fourth year engineering rep who wasnt even elected by his class but yet still has the cheek to propse motions in there name.He admits himself he wasnt elected and in a direct quote from himself' I'm not that representative of my class, to say the least. ' It will come as no suprise that just one of the motions conor put forward was the union paying of 500 euro for an anti war demonstartors court fee's.I think it highly unfair that conor who is a self acclaimed non elected rep is allowed to put forward a motion on something.Yet when I also wanted to put forward a motion directly I couldnt.It just shows eveidently that the union is not about us students want and needs but is a platform for political hacks.



Council notes that UCDSU has an anti-deportation mandate. Council
notes that as a result of this mandate, UCDSU established an
Anti-Deportation Campaign.
Council notes that at a peaceful ADC blockade at the Garda National
Immigration Bureau against the mass deportation that took place on October 18th, 3rd Arts student Dara McHugh was arrested and is due in court on Thursday, October 27th.
Council notes the duty of UCDSU to defend its members and the role
of UCDSU in campaigning against deportations.
Council mandates the payment of up to 500 euro towards Dara's legal costs and, if convicted, possible fine.
Council mandates UCDSU members to attend court in solidarity with Dara under the UCDSU banner.

Proposed by Conor McGowan, 4th year Engineering (Mechanical).

Seconded by Darren Cogavin, 3rd Social Science.

panda100

Vainglory wrote:

I think these PRO's could well turn into being a bit of a sham, tbh. I've always been wary of creating positions for people who want positions.

Yeah we've already got the class rep system for that,jane......

Vainglory

panda100 wrote:

Oh vainglory I forgot how witty you were-how Ive missed your light hearted amusing jokes around here!I hear comedy soc are looking for an auditor??Or since Enda has a lot of time free now maybe he can run-his manifesto was a laugh a minute so he's already got his foot in the door .....
Quick run and tell enda,dermot,darren,darragh,chris and all the lefty boys(since theres only like 2 girls involved with ucd left) Im being mean but once again vainglory,YOU started it.Considering your the education officer and Im just a lowly student you should treat us students u represent with a bit more respect instead of calling pythia and the van 'pathetic'.Number one its very unladylike and two,your an elected union representative and thus should behave as one.

Wow, you got REALLY defensive there. I must have been right, then

And as I've said before, being an elected officer doesn't mean I am suddenly devoid of opinions. People around here abuse me, my friends, and my opinions often enough, so I can give as good as I get, thanks so much.

Oh, and two girls involved in the UCD left? So ignorant of actual facts that it really is unbelievable.

Vainglory

Lord, protect me from being "unladylike".

panda100

Vainglory wrote:

Wow, you got REALLY defensive there. I must have been right, then

And as I've said before, being an elected officer doesn't mean I am suddenly devoid of opinions. People around here abuse me, my friends, and my opinions often enough, so I can give as good as I get, thanks so much.

Oh, and two girls involved in the UCD left? So ignorant of actual facts that it really is unbelievable.

Im not discussing things with you here anymore,its not fair on the rest of the bordies. if you want to say something to me then say it to me personally and dont send chris bond over to fight your battles for you or if not personally,then start a panda bashing thread on the ucd boards.Im sure all the left guys and the millions and millions of left girls:D will help you out with that one.
Also saying somone is pathetic isnt an 'opinion' it a personal insult whereas an elected officer should show a bit more decorum,that is all.

Vainglory

panda100 wrote:

Im not discussing things with you here anymore,its not fair on the rest of the bordies. if you want to say something to me then say it to me personally and dont send chris bond over to fight your battles for you or if not personally,then start a panda bashing thread on the ucd boards.Im sure all the left guys and the millions and millions of left girls:D will help you out with that one.
Also saying somone is pathetic isnt an 'opinion' it a personal insult whereas an elected officer should show a bit more decorum,that is all.

Er? If it's my opinion that something is pathetic then that's my opinion. It would be different if I had called them fat. That is an insult.

I have never "sent chris bond" to fight any "battles" for me. You saying that does not make it true. I don't think anyone who knows me would ever think that I need other people to fight my battles for me.

I don't need to remind you Elisa, that you have never introduced yourself to me personally either, but have thrown dogs abuse at me on various websites instead.

I love how you don't justify your "only two girls" on the left comment either, but choose to make some sarcastic remark instead.

The_Minister

Vainglory wrote:

I love how you don't justify your "only two girls" on the left comment either, but choose to make some sarcastic remark instead.

I can only think of two high profile lefties of the female persuasion.

Vainglory

Name me two and I could name you twenty. But for reasons similar to Kate's, I don't want to go outing people's political persuasions without their permission.

How many left wing causes are you involved in? How many opportunities would you have to see how many girls are involved?

Chinafoot

Edit: Scratch that.

You're both banned for the rest of the day.

I'll unban you when I get home.

You have had ample warning.

tintinr35

and its round two everybody, vainglory VS Panda...........*yawn*

its getting old girls, its clear ye dont seem to agree on anything so just maybe ignoring each other in future would be better!!!

The_Minister

peachypants wrote:

Edit: Scratch that.

You're both banned for the rest of the day.

I'll unban you when I get home.

You have had ample warning.

Go peachypants!
you show them

Chinafoot

Indeed.

Now can we get back on topic please?

Thanks.