PLO Do you pay for your draw multi way pot

Bandana boy

PLO
raise pre flop by SB (who raises every hand) repoped by BB(who raises max on all streets with any pair of qs ks as) i have 5678 ds i call in the co button calls and sb calls pot 60

flop j34 rainbow
Stacks
SB 50
BB 65
Hero 220
Button/villain 240

SB bets 50 BB calls all in 65 I call and villain re pops all in
Villain def has JJJ based on previous play

160/all in to me pot if i call 615

Do you call ?

5starpool

I think you have to. Only problem is if you think other players would play with similiar cards to you, reducing your outs. You have 13 outs on the turn, and are getting nearly 3-1 on your money.

fuzzbox

Yes

Bandana boy

I am pretty sure that BB has AA or KK and any two cards
SB could have anything
Villain has set and possibly some str8 draw
there is also possibly numerous backdoor flush draws out there (i have 1 but 7 high)
Is the variance on this call not pretty bad that hitting my hand i cant bet it so Set gets to see all 5 cards ?
Plus any fd

Juan Pablo

Call all the way

fuzzbox

If villain is any good then he probably doesnt have any of your outs with his JJ. He might, but prolly not.

SB could have some, and BB could have some. But they might not.
We dont care about b.door flushes (but we have 1 so thats good).

If you cant call the push, then dont call the 65 on the flop in the first place. You are getting the same odds now as you were then ... why fold?

Oh wait - pot IF you call .... jebus - who cares about what size it will be after you call. Before you call is whats important. Its 615-160= 455.
So you get 455:160 which is 2.75:1. Hmm - thats less attractive.

I still call - but Im a calling station

5starpool

Bandana boy wrote:

Is the variance on this call not pretty bad that hitting my hand i cant bet it so Set gets to see all 5 cards ?
Plus any fd

Nothing you can do about it in this case. It is true that occasionally runner runner flush will kill you, or the board will pair, or you miss totally, but in this case you have to shove your money and see.

I had a 20 card wrap in the Fitz on Tuesday, hit the turn, all in from the flop only player left after I bet the turn, and of course the board pairs. Nothing you can do, but you have to continue playing these draws.

Bandana boy

i timed out thinking about it so was folded and would have hit
Against 1 player i am going all the way but just didnt think a str8 draw would do much good with al those other all ins

fuzzbox

Why?
With 13 nut outs you kinda have to call getting 2.75:1. You would take that price to see ONE card, so you certainly have odds to see two cards.

Your equity is better Vs more than one player. You dont tend to lose equity with multiple players, because if you hit you have the nuts. The set loses equity Vs multiple players (esp with overpairs and such (or the under set giving YOU MORE equity, as then they are less likely to fill up).

Btw - this is only true because the pot was raised and reraised preflop, so BB is "marked" with Aces, and SB is "marked" with big cards. They are less likely to be taking your equity. Also when button comes OTT all-in ... you "mark" him with JJ (most likely correct too ... at least top two and most likely a set). Your equity Vs these hands is big, basically you and the set are dividing up the equity of the other two. Their hands take equity directly from the set (e.g. AA will hit an A and beat JJ, but you dont suffer from that, because if you hit a 2567 you still beat any set.

fixer

this is about the best flop you could have hoped for, you have to call this.

NickyOD

Fold and hope next time you call a reraise with double suited connectors you actually flop the straight but only stay in if you have the redraw to the straight flush. :rolleyes: