Headbutts

GerryRyan

Ok, street situation, as last resort would you use a headbutt? Would it be recognized as a technique, or a cheapshot?

How would you go about practising a headbutt without hurting yourself?
Not trying to come across as a scumbag but you'll have to agree that it is a situation anyone could get into where it's needed.
I would only use it as last resort, or to get away from the fight etc

Better safe than sorry

What's your opinion?

dlofnep

Yeah sure, why not. On the street, it's him or you. I don't see at any stage where I'd have to headbutt, headbutts are usually cheap shots against guys who don't know its coming. So unless you're starting fights for nothing, I don't see when you'd headbutt someone.

padraigcarroll

practice them on a heavy bag.
best to follow up with a couple of hooks immediately afterwards & get out of there,.... so the headbut is just to shock at first if you know what i mean as opposed to end the situation. but if it does, so be it and all the better.

Liam_B

Ya ,,I usually practice head butn Sheep ...OH NO....sorry thats not head butn.:D

Cabelo

We do arseloads of headbutts... they're lovely.

Can't see why it'd not be a technique. It works and nothing breaks a nose better than an unexpected forehead.

Dragan

On the street there is no such thing as an honour code folks, headbutt away if it ends what ever is happening quickly and with a minimum of damage to you.

Roper

I prictise hodbats all the tim on the hevee bag an I tink dey r helping me.:)

Why would you headbutt a heavy bag?

FiannaGym.com

I'd use them in vale tudo competition. On the street they woul dbe one of the key weapons. Practicing them on the heavy bag sounds insane. Also karl Tanswell showed a lovely head but from inside the well its so tight and it just shocks the s**t out of people.

Peace

Dragan

FiannaGym.com wrote:

I'd use them in vale tudo competition.

I do believe Mark Kerr used them to a degree of notoriety.

Degsy

Its one of the best first strikes imaginable and it usually takes the fight right out of a person..follow with a few uppercuts or a punch in the throat or side of the neck..nasty but effective.

Dragan

Let me but it this way, went to college with a guy who was on a transfer scheme from his college in Boston. He had been in military school for years as a kid and was being put through college by the State over there.

Anyway, needless to say, being military school all sorts of fun was to be had with training hand to hand and such, the one thing his drill instrcutor told him just before coming to Ireland.

"if you get drunk, and get in a fight.....watch out for headbutts."

Nice to see we have such a great image!!

Degsy

The famous "Ballymun uppercut"!:D

MaxBax

Headbutts. Hmm

Very effective in A COMBAT SITUATION.

For Sports MMA i think it's a good thing that they're banned cos they're a bit flukey and devoid of skill. I mean, anyone can drop their head in someone else from their guard. It has unpredictable results - cuts etc. nOt very good. It would mean dodgy fighters could cut better fighters and win by default.

I'm not a MMA fighter so I wouldn't really know though.

coyote6

I agree w/ the idea that there is no such things as a "cheap shot" when your fighting for your life. Combine that with a forearm or backhand to the brachial plexus origin and your off to a good start (steer clear of a knife or ridgehand as that can paralyze the poor mutt). As for the practice, this is not a move you need to practice. When you need to use it you'll know. If you don't stun yourself by hitting something on their noggin too hard, you still may feel it the next day.

memphis

Headbutting I don't like, and would assossiate it with scumbags. That said if you are in a fight, and you feel it is a last resort, and I mean ONLY a last resort I don't see why you shouldn't headbutt.

MaxBax

memphis wrote:

Headbutting I don't like, and would assossiate it with scumbags. That said if you are in a fight, and you feel it is a last resort, and I mean ONLY a last resort I don't see why you shouldn't headbutt.

why cos it's perfectly reasonable to assault somene with your fist rather than you head? or acceptable to defend yourself with a STIRKE OF DEATH TO THE THROAT rather than a forehead on forehead collison

memphis

MaxBax wrote:

why cos it's perfectly reasonable to assault somene with your fist rather than you head? or acceptable to defend yourself with a STIRKE OF DEATH TO THE THROAT rather than a forehead on forehead collison

No its far from alright to assault anyone in any shape or form!!! We're talking self defense here. Read my reply again!!! I said headbutting is ASSOCIATED with scumbags. I never dismissed it as a reasonably good defence technique but personally I wouldn't use it unless it was a last resort.

Besides to head butt a person ya'd wanna in close rage. Far easier to throw a kick (as legs are longer) and be outta range of your attacker! Plus that's also the way i have been trained!!!

EPO_MAN

ThatGuy wrote:

Ok, street situation, as last resort would you use a headbutt? Would it be recognized as a technique, or a cheapshot?

How would you go about practising a headbutt without hurting yourself?
Not trying to come across as a scumbag but you'll have to agree that it is a situation anyone could get into where it's needed.
I would only use it as last resort, or to get away from the fight etc

Better safe than sorry

What's your opinion?

Once I had never thrown a headbutt in my life but then one night I guy had me pinned to a wall and tried to bite my face.
So I butted him 3 times and got the distance between us and then I leathered him and made him sorry.

but seriously it saved my bacon and my good looks.
I did a course with a trad jj guy (ex SAS) and he said to strike with teh corner of the forehead as opposite to the middle. said it was stronger. It worked for me. My opponent was 6'2 15 / 16 stone....to my 5 '10 14 stone.

headbutting the punchbag worked for me thereafter cos when you a combo I occasionally threw one in.

Cake Fiend

If my arms were being held, I'd headbutt (or bite) no bother. I've been taught to use the part of the head just above the fringe hairline though, apparently it's strongest.

Cabelo

Sico, I'd use that or, in a pinch, somewhere even higher. It's been explained to me that the bit of your head that was open when you were a kid when it knits up is often thicker than the rest of the skull.

Dragan

Cabelo wrote:

It's been explained to me that the bit of your head that was open when you were a kid when it knits up is often thicker than the rest of the skull.

Yeah but this is a the crown of the head, so unless there behind you it's not really an option!!!

Cabelo

No, it's a grand old option , you just need a step in and to really go for broke with it (getting pic).




The lower one is for TKD peeps trying out axe kicks... an unexpected interuption

padraigcarroll

memphis wrote:

I wouldn't use it unless it was a last resort.
Besides to head butt a person ya'd wanna in close rage.
Far easier to throw a kick (as legs are longer) and be outta range of your attacker! Plus that's also the way i have been trained!!!

headbutt is often a first resort, realistically. how many fights start with 2 guys head to head? staredown type crap, one is bound to throw a dig, if it's inevitable, why not throw a headbutt as an opened to end the situ?

close range?as above, most rucks start close range.

Leg kicks? Not on your nelly my friend! relying on leg kicks on the street will have you on your back faster than a brazzer.

Clive

I won a fight with a leg kick in my younger years...

padraigcarroll

i believe it
doesnt happen often though
id go so far as to say rarely!

Dave Joyce

Don't know if this is of any interest but I had some former student's from Beal Feriste who told me that there are a variety of types of headbutts, one for all ocassions, one might say and they proceeded to show me some of the finer aspects of using one's noggin (in a nice way, I should say), about six different ways. And NO!!, Mr Cochrane, they were not from Andys town!!!

Baggio...

Hi y'all,

Headbutts are a decent technique if the range is there and you do it properly.
There is no point in using the Headbutt if you are in punching range (why change the range you are given?), Also why bring your most inportant target close to your attacker? If you are just starting to grapple with someone - it's a great tech to use to soften them up. It's not the great "show stopper" that people believe. Plus if not done correctly you will hurt yourself, and even if it is done correctly you will still be absorbing some of the impact. Also, you want to be striking into the soft targets of the head, i.e. anything below the crainium where possible (nose, cheeks etc.)

Most pople do the headbutt by bringing the head back and then "whipping" it forward into the target - not a great way to butt at all. The best way is to drive forward with a drop step using you whole body weight, while tensing you neck muscles and angling the head downwards.

As for it being a "dirty technique" I don't think it is. It's not as dirty as some scumbag attacking you in the street for no reason.

Cheers,

Baggio.

padraigcarroll

headbutt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKM1zgY9WYI&search=fight

Bad Boy

you want to see headbutts, check out mark kerr in the smashing machine.

padraigcarroll

smashing macine is a great documentary.

Did u all see Kerr is fighting again soon, wes sims
Hopefully Kerr destroyes him