End of the Cult-Legend-Hero?

MaxBax

With the increased popularity of mixed martial arts style competitions do you think we'll see an end to the formation of cult-legends.

To elaborate,

Bruce Lee will be remembered for coming up with JKD, being an all round great guy, having big balls etc. but also for being a kickass fighter. We don't really know if he was a kickass fighter cause he didn't fight in the ring, cage against his peers under full public scrutiny in a mma arena (or did he).

the same can be said for the 6th dan karate expert whose students think is the hardest thing since sliced nails.

OR, will MMA go on to increase the formation of the cult-legend status ala HICKSON GRACIE?

If it wasn't for MMA we'd not know who Fedor is and he most likely never would have gained notoriety.

dlofnep

I doubt it.

MaxBax

You do, do you?

Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: "I am looking for God! I am looking for God!" As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.

"Where has God gone?" he cried. "I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God's decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves."

It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: "what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?"

MaxBax

please reference the material you butcher for external sources. I can't beleive you quotes Friedrich Nietzsche on a MA/SD forum. Seriously, are you not aware you need a B.Sc do contribute here? No, BAs, B.Phil, M.Phils allowed.

dlofnep

MaxBax wrote:

You do, do you?

A little bit. I mean, even when MMA is mainstream mainstream, there will be still those who are caught up with the Jet Li's and what not.

MaxBax

you reckon you could take jet li?

dlofnep

Do you?

MaxBax

assuming he'd fight the way i've seen him fight in his movies. I reckon I could. However, Jet Li, I'm open to correction, pop down to the gym sometime.

t_rom/reaper

guys/gals jet li did have to actualy train in martial arts just like we do the difference is now he show boats for films
its cool but dont make him look invinable

MaxBax

Yeah I'm working on the idea that he has no ground game.

dlofnep

Agreed.

MaxBax

MaxBax wrote:

please reference the material you butcher for external sources. I can't beleive you quotes Friedrich Nietzsche on a MA/SD forum. Seriously, are you not aware you need a B.Sc do contribute here? No, BAs, B.Phil, M.Phils allowed.

Aren't you getting a B.A?

Roper

Deleted User wrote:

Aren't you getting a B.A?

for christmas like?

dlofnep

Wish I got a B.A for christmas.

FiannaGym.com

I was actually given that B.A. toy when I was a kid! Yes!

I think we'll get some protected champions, like you have in boxing. I also think the rise of MMA reflects a change in culture at large, towards more realistic, atheltic based fighting. So the rise of the UFC, Pride, K-1 etc will be reflected. Like I always say Drunken BOxing, of 5 animals or what ever is great fun so people will always do what they love, and more power to them. Diversity is a good thing. We are all one.

As for Jet Li. He never trained Martial Arts like we do. He does Wu Shu, and was a prodigy at it. I could take Jet Li if he was purely ignorant. Since in one of his films he fights a bunch of UFC fighters I would say he is not purely ignorant so I would say it would be a hard fight full of peace and love.

Peace

dlofnep

"hard fight full of peace and love".. LOL

Dragan

MaxBax wrote:

With the increased popularity of mixed martial arts style competitions do you think we'll see an end to the formation of cult-legends.

This is assuming the MMA is no longer a cult sport, which in my mind it still is to a degree. But largely, yes, there will always be cult figures in martial arts, especially in MMA. There will always be the guys who were lethal but somehow never made the big time.

And the biggest names in the top promo's will influence mainstream thought and become cult figures in there own right.

MaxBax

We are all one.

BTW I take back what I said aboiut Jet li after reading MT's article. Maybe Jet li's mom I could take.

Cabelo

Illegalheatbutt... I've never shaken my head so slowly... for so long while reading something here.

You hurt me right in my philosopher loving bone