What should I have done??

SirIrish

Hand after top up. No more buy backs or top ups.
I have 13800 chips average is 10000 and under the gun.
Blinds are 400 800.
I get QQ.
I raise 5000 preflop.
Whole table folds around to bb which after a long time calls he has about 2000 chips more than me.
Flop comes 2d 5h 8d.
BB checks
I bet 5000 again he spends another while thinking His whole body language told me he had a small pair or was chasing something He shows his cards to the small blind (which really annoyed me) sb smiles and nods and bb calls.
4th street brings 3d.
BB checks again.
I know I'm still ahead and know he hasn't got the flush.So I go all in with the last of my chips. He thinks again for a while looks at sb who smiles again and he calls me.
I turn over my QsQc he turns over 7c7d
I'm ahead
5th street of course brings a 7 he gets his set i'm gone.
Did I play it wrong??
Did I bet too much or not enough??
I'm really not interested in the bad beat but more in what if anything I could have done to get rid of him. Should I have went all in on the flop??
This sort of thing has happened to me before. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.


On an up note. I went home and won $2600 on PPP. Happy again

fuzzbox

Do you really not know?

RasTa

What?! He showed his hand to another player when there was betting still going on ?

BigDragon

RasTa wrote:

What?! He showed his hand to another player when there was betting still going on ?

The second he did this the dealer should have declared his hand dead and you win the pot. End of.....

FullOf..IT

SirIrish wrote:

On an up note. I went home and won $2600 on PPP. Happy again

How?

RasTa

BigDragon wrote:

The second he did this the dealer should have declared his hand dead and you win the pot. End of.....

Indeed, in the words of victor meldrew
I dont Believe It!

RoundTower

BigDragon wrote:

The second he did this the dealer should have declared his hand dead and you win the pot. End of.....

nonsense.

azzeretti

I have seen a few players, in live games, doing this sort of thing (well known players too). As long as the player not in the pot makes absolutly no comment I wouldn't mind this too much. The smile and nod in this hand would pi$$ me off no end though.

CoD

If you dont know if u played this wrong
how the hell did you win $2600 in one nite?

califano

I like when someone next to me shows me their hand when im not in it. Nothing wrong with this crack. It shows respect to who they let see.

DapperGent

FullOf..IT wrote:

How?

ArmaniJeanss

SirIrish wrote:

This sort of thing has happened to me before. Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

It'd be nice if people actually gave some of the requested hand analysis that the OP asked for, rather than give smug smarmy answers. I though we were all trying to help each other here. /End Rant.

To the OP, regardless of how well or not that you played it, you got all the money in while you were ahead, and favourite, which is good. Basically you wanted him to call with 77 all the way, didnt you? By the way, its a horrible tournament if the average is 12BB one hand after the top up, so theres a good chance that there is nothing you could have done to stop from losing this hand.
Pre-flop, I dont like the 5xBB raise, 3xBB is good enough.
After the flop (pot 11200) you've bet 5000 leaving yourself 3800 behind. I'm not particularly sure what you were trying here.
Opponent has to call the turn bet and did nothing wrong on this street.
AJs.

azzeretti wrote:

I have seen a few players, in live games, doing this sort of thing (well known players too). As long as the player not in the pot makes absolutly no comment I wouldn't mind this too much. The smile and nod in this hand would pi$$ me off no end though.

The smile and the nod can be taken by the BB as a signal that the SB has not folded 77,A7,X7 etc, so I would find it unacceptable.
EDIT: sorry azzeretti, i reread what you said again, and realise you were making the same point.

SirIrish

I was very annoyed about the hand in the live game the other night and was wondering how I should have played it but all I got from the so called poker players here are comments that quite frankly deserve a reply from me that would get me banned from the site but I won't stoop to your sad level. And won't ask for you help again.

ArmaniJeanss thanks very much for taking the time to actually answer the question. It is very much appreciated.

I'm only playing this game since mid december 2005 and have been keeping an eye on this site since a little after that. I have cleared over 8000 euro in Jan between live games and the net and I'm already up 2300 euro this month. So I guess the "how" is I'm just very lucky or at least that is what you would all like to believe.

sunzz

Me personally I would have pushed after I saw the flop and seen the possible flush out there, othere than that you seem to have played it fine.

califano

SirIrish wrote:

all I got from the so called poker players here are comments that quite frankly deserve a reply from me that would get me banned from the site.

In fairness it was just a poorly disguised brag post in the first place.
Theres a thread here for that.

handsfree

SirIrish wrote:

I'm only playing this game since mid december 2005 and have been keeping an eye on this site since a little after that. I have cleared over 8000 euro in Jan between live games and the net and I'm already up 2300 euro this month. So I guess the "how" is I'm just very lucky or at least that is what you would all like to believe.

sounds like you are a very fast learner, who thought you.

Gholimoli

handsfree wrote:

sounds like you are a very fast learner, who thought you.

if u have only been playing since Dec 05 thoes figures are indeed very impressive.
well done.

breadmonkey

Seriously, I'd be very interested to know how you progressed so quickly. Would you consider starting a thread about it?

mewso

This thread sums up whats making life extremely hard for the mods here. Regardless of what the original poster wanted to know here (it was a bad beat and nothing more as far as I can see and it's possible to say it should be in the Bad Beat thread but I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt this time) some of the replys are unneccessary and petty. If you have a problem with a post report it and keep any antagonising comments to yourself.

Lazare

SirIrish wrote:

I was very annoyed about the hand in the live game the other night and was wondering how I should have played it but all I got from the so called poker players here are comments that quite frankly deserve a reply from me that would get me banned from the site but I won't stoop to your sad level. And won't ask for you help again.

I was annoyed with some of the replies you got too, I'm new to this site and would think twice now about posting a new thread.
About your hand the other night, I think the BB was a fool in the first place to call such a big raise, seen as you made it from utg. The fact that he then called another big bet with no made set on the flop, and another on the turn says to me that you could never have got him to lay those 7's down.What made him think he was ahead? He was lucky that time, but I'd bet he was on his way home soon after you. I do think your raise was a little big though from such an early position, unless it was shorthanded.

BigDragon

RoundTower wrote:

nonsense.

WTF?

RasTa

Well i know if it was me personally playing and someone showed his cards to another player during a hand, i would call the TD over and get the hand declared dead.

califano

RasTa wrote:

Well i know if it was me personally playing and someone showed his cards to another player during a hand, i would call the TD over and get the hand declared dead.

Why?. What advantage is the person showing getting. More importantly what disadvantage are you at?.

RasTa

You cant show your cards to just one player at any stage even if the hand is over. You have to expose them to the hole table.

BigDragon

RasTa wrote:

You cant show your cards to just one player at any stage even if the hand is over. You have to expose them to the hole table.

The main thing here is to prevent collusion. Say the guy not in the hand is a mate of the 'show-er' and goes 'Wow....' and then the show-er moves all-in what is SirIrish to do with his QQ now? It's not on.

One player to a hand?

Marq, Oscar....what you say?

RoundTower

SirIrish wrote:

He shows his cards to the small blind (which really annoyed me)

BigDragon wrote:

The second he did this the dealer should have declared his hand dead and you win the pot. End of.....

I can only speak for what happens in the Fitz. I have played and worked in other venues, but not enough to be sure of their rules. You've played in the Fitz more than I have. Have you EVER seen a dealer kill a hand because the player showed it to his friend?

If someone shows their hand to another player, who does NOT have live cards, or to a spectator, the dealer should say nothing and get on with the game.

If someone offers advice to a player while he is in the hand (this could include "a smile and a nod", the dealer should ask him to shut up. If necessary he should call the TD. If Luke is called to make a ruling, he will almost always warn both players and tell you to get on with the hand.

But there is definitely not a rule that if you flash your cards to someone else, or even to the whole table, they are dead. This is a myth that normally gets trotted out at least once in any "ruling question" on boards, but I didn't expect it to be coming from you.

I'd also like any of the other dealers to post what they do in this situation.

ollyk1

From reading reports of EPT games etc. I've read of guys getting 10 minute penalties for accidentaly exposing their cards to one or more people. But no hand was ever ruled dead for this that I've heard or seen. I've seen plenty of people being "warned" over this locally but..I've never seen anyone being given a 10 minute penalty in a card club in Dublin and I've only heard anecdotally of people being removed from games.

How can any warning have much effect in that enviroment?

5starpool

That would be my interpretation too RT. I have never in my (1 or 2 only, honestly) visits to the Fitz seen a hand declared dead because of that, and have several times had people shoe me there hand because they think I might be interested even though usually I would wish they didn't. If they do it to some one that still had cards then they would have to show everyone.

Common sense should prevail at all times.

RasTa

RoundTower wrote:

If someone shows their hand to another player, who does NOT have live cards, or to a spectator, the dealer should say nothing and get on with the game.

I think that you are taking it out of context though. If a player is in a hand and is thinking what to do, lifts up his hole cards to player b, gets a smile or nod from player b then calls, That would deffo throw me off and i would ask for a ruling.

5starpool

RasTa wrote:

I think that you are taking it out of context though. If a player is in a hand and is thinking what to do, lifts up his hole cards to player b, gets a smile or nod from player b then calls, That would deffo throw me off and i would ask for a ruling.

The player being shown without asking to see should have enough sense to not react. Unfortunately, without meaning to be condescending, most pub players would not be aware of a lot of the etiquete involved in poker.

Marq

As a dealer I would never kill a player's hand for showing another player who was no longer involved in a hand. If the other player in any way offered advice to the active player I would tell them to stop and then give them both a warning. If the problem persisted I would ask the floorperson to intervene.

I have no problem with the showing of cards to unactive players as long as 1) at the end of the hand if anyone else wishes to see the cards they may do so (only possible if they haven't hit the muck yet) and 2) it is not slowing up the game.

The original post is an incredible example of both a bad beat and a brag post combined. "I convinced my opponent to get all of his money in the pot as a 20:1 dog on the turn. Could I have played this hand better? Nevermind that - I'm deadly at poker and have won loads of money - HUZZAH!"

NickyOD

I just lost 3 minutes of my life reading this ****ing nonsense.

Marq

and another 30 seconds posting about it. what's your point?