only in america...again

Terry

http://www.wmtw.com/family/7843091/detail.html

Father's Rights? Men Want Right To Turn Down Fatherhood

Group Wants Same Rights As Women

POSTED: 8:15 am EST March 9, 2006
NEW YORK -- A group of men's rights activists will file a lawsuit Thursday aimed at giving men a chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child. The group argues that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy.The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The National Center for Men has nicknamed the lawsuit Roe v. Wade for Men. They plan to file the lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old Saginaw man ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter. The man contends that his ex knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that -- because of a physical condition -- she could not get pregnant. The suit also addresses the issue of male reproductive rights. They believe that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

hey! i want the right to have sex and not to have to worry about the responsibilities and i don't want to pay child support to some random bint i met in the pub.
are these people for real?

Karoma

mneh. I'll wait for the TV3 movie of the week before forming an opinion.

DaBreno

Bout time the men started fighting back. Well in Lads!

Karl Hungus

I have to say, definetly about time. Father's rights are something of a joke at the moment, and they should definetly be taken more seriously. Unlike this:

julep wrote:

hey! i want the right to have sex and not to have to worry about the responsibilities and i don't want to pay child support to some random bint i met in the pub.
are these people for real?

Did you even read the arcticle you linked? That's so far removed from the reality of the situation, it's pathetic! Are you for real?

metrovelvet

Well if that goes through, which it wont, men can say goodbye to sex before or outside of marriage.

Guy:Incognito

metrovelvet wrote:

Well if that goes through, which it wont, men can say goodbye to sex before or outside of marriage.

Well, supposedly married men dont get it either. So thats a total ban on sex.:)

Terry

Karl Hungus wrote:

Did you even read the arcticle you linked? That's so far removed from the reality of the situation, it's pathetic! Are you for real?

yes, i read the article and it's about some dick trying to get out of paying child support. there might be some technicalities involved, but it all boils down to some tightwad not wanting to face up to his responsibilities.

whether the saginaw man wanted the child or not, it's his now and he needs to face up to this. all i see are some lawyers trying to get rich and make a name for themselves at the expense of a child.

LundiMardi

i actually think the article has a point, the man does have the choice in the matter regarding abortion, so he SHOULD have a choice regarding legal responsability..

However, i can't see how they can stop men abusing the system if this were to come into place, which it won't anyway.

LundiMardi

julep wrote:

but it all boils down to some tightwad not wanting to face up to his responsibilities..

do you not think abortion is about some woman not facing up to her responsabilities? (i don't want this to turn into another abortion thing by the by)

Terry

LundiMardi wrote:

do you not think abortion is about some woman not facing up to her responsabilities? (i don't want this to turn into another abortion thing by the by)

yeah, i don't want to go there. too many variables involved.

bounty

seems fair enough to me

couples should be made get a licence to have a baby, and made pass tests to prove they are responsible parents too, before inception

LundiMardi

bounty wrote:

seems fair enough to me

couples should be made get a licence to have a baby, and made pass tests to prove they are responsible parents too, before inception

yeah, but that's only people who plan to have a baby, the majority don't.

Terry

nice idea, but completely impracticle.

Sam Vimes

LundiMardi wrote:

i actually think the article has a point

i don't think it has a point. she told him she couldn't have children so she tricked him into having it but the only person who'll be hurt by him not paying support is the child. the child didn't do anything wrong and so shouldn't be punished.

LundiMardi wrote:

the man does have the choice in the matter regarding abortion, so he SHOULD have a choice regarding legal responsability..

in a free society there are rights and responsibilities. you can choose to waive a right but a responsibility is just that. its something you have to do and no amount of choosing can get you out of it.


for example, a doctor performing an operation has a responsibility not to be drunk while he's doing it. do you think he should have a choice in that case?

LundiMardi

Commander Vimes wrote:

in a free society there are rights and responsibilities. you can choose to waive a right but a responsibility is just that. its something you have to do and no amount of choosing can get you out of it.

except for choosing to have an abortion? Again, i don't want to keep bringing up the subject, but you can't deny there is some sense in the article.

BrokenArrows

In the case of the guy who got the girl pregnant and she said she could not have kids then i dont believe he should have to pay a penny if he does not want to.

But in cases where some guy gets his girlfriend pregnant he should have to give child support for being that stupid.

BigWilly

I think in said case the mother should take on the vast majority of the burden of raising the child. That said, I don't know what type of guy would like to see his kid brought up in poverty..

Sam Vimes

LundiMardi wrote:

except for choosing to have an abortion? Again, i don't want to keep bringing up the subject, but you can't deny there is some sense in the article.

i don't think people should be allowed to have abortions either. i was adopted so i have a particular disliking of abortion. there could possibly be a case in this situation for the father not to pay support but it sets a dangerous precedent. how many fathers in the future would claim the mother said the same thing? how can we be sure she said it even in this situation?


i feel sorry for the guy but there are thousands of fathers in ireland who never thought it would happen to them and letting them off their resposibilities only hurts the child, not the mother who (may or may not have) lied