Masochistic Martial Arts (MMA)

MaxBax

Just wondering if other people agree:

If you do a striking martial art such as Muay Thai or Boxing you're going to get a few broken noses, black eyes, maybe some broken bones in your hand/foot. It's all part and parcel of the game?

If you do wrestling, Judo or BJJ competitively for long enough, you'll get cauliflower ears, dodgy joints (from impact and manipulation).

If you do some oldskool karate arts you'll get calloused hands and bruises all over you poor body.

I think Maeve raises a good point, there's no pain no gain.

Anyone agree?

Quillo

Everyone one I know that has been involved in the MA (across many different arts) for any length of time seems to end up carrying some kind of injury or other.....tend to be either joint or back/neck problems.

MaxBax

Don't get me wrong, if you play golf, table tennis or netball you'll get sports related injuries. But these guys don't seek to hurt them selves.

vasch_ro

MaxBax wrote:

Just wondering if other people agree:

If you do a striking martial art such as Muay Thai or Boxing you're going to get a few broken noses, black eyes, maybe some broken bones in your hand/foot. It's all parcel and parcel of the game?

If you do wrestling, Judo or BJJ competitively for long enough, you'll get cauliflower ears, dodgy joints (from impact and manipulation).

If you do some oldskool karate arts you'll get calloused hands and bruises all over you poor body.

I think Maeve raises a good point, there's no pain no gain.

Anyone agree?

what about Tai chi chuan ? ( the non practical type prevalent in the west)

MaxBax

What about it? i don't think its a MMA.

MaeveD

I've had lots of pain and gain... I've had breaks and lots of other nasty injuries over the years... but they were accidents and overdoing it.

Now, I wouldn't do a sport, MA or MMA where I'm almost certainly guaranteed to get broken up.

I'd like to still be able to train when I'm old, not be crippled because of injuries from something I liked to do when I was younger.

I look at my dad who played hurling... He's 73 now and I can actually see the skull fractures on his bald head, some of his fingers are almost useless from old breaks.

MaxBax

Yeah I think it's a man thing. Would you agree Maeve? The irrational willingness to self-hurt?

Tim_Murphy

I've had more injuries in the last few years from running than I have from this deadly dangerous MMA stuff

MaxBax

Have you questioned if you have a correct running posture?

Secondly, I'm not saying MMA is dangerous or anything. Tim - never get a bloody nose from TKD? Ever get a bloody nose from jogging?

dlofnep

Are we agreeing on the no pain, no gain? I think injuries go with the sport. Is that the right answer?

MaxBax

Just to elaborate, i'm not talking about injuries per se. I've been doing ma for a few years and the worst thing i've got is a ruptured muscle and a spraint ankle. I got the spraint ankle from kicking clive! Like a black eye isn't really an injury but it does interfer with your sparring. Soft tissue injuries might be a way to describe what i'm talking about.

do you get a lot of knocks that you walk off between sessions?

dlofnep

Well, I've torn ligaments and severly destroyed tendons supporting my ankle. I've also a pinched nerve in my back that could be from hitting my punch bag? I'm not sure.. Personally, I've always some injury nagging me.

judomick

inuries are an unfortunate side effect!?, we train because we love the competitiveness (sp?), the sport the confidence it gives u and its fun, the pros outweight the cons

MaxBax

judomick does it for the adoration of the ladies.

Millionaire

My right knee is acting up from years of abuse.
left knee probably not much further behind.

tons of bruises, busted noses, black eyes over the years.

I just love training.

I am not into competitons, never was, ok did my fair share, FC matches etc.

I guess I dread something like my knee injury stopping me training.

would love to learn BJJ now too, and do some competitons, but its not available just where i am right now.

i guess the brusies and stuff come with the turf.

Like if your into horse riding , you could fall off and break your neck too.

judomick

and they do adore me oh god how they adore me:cool:

FiannaGym.com

Eh, Pain dont hurt, dude.

The pain is being out of training.

I've had 6 serious injuires, a separated shoulder, a torn ligement in my knee, one in my elbow, on in my finger and now in my rips. They all go away and never offer any probelms.

Lastly, I did hit a guy with an MMA glove and busted up my knuckle, my bad, he was bent over and I should have just switch kicked him in the face. Thats still there but it has zero effect on me.

In my 2 MMA fights, my sub wrestling and freestyle wrestling comps I've never got a scratch. (beside my knuckle).

So while yeah pain is a factor I dont see any reason why there should be long lasting negative effects. You'll always heal if you do it right.

Peace

Whizzo

I would think that if I played football, i would have had more injuries over the years. At least we expect to be hit and train for that possibility. Footballers (general term incl GAA/ Soccer) get elbows swung studs in ankles etc sly digs but are not expecting it.

Pain isn't fun...it's weakness leaving you're body!:D

Millionaire

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Eh, Pain dont hurt, dude.

The pain is being out of training.

I've had 6 serious injuires, a separated shoulder, a torn ligement in my knee, one in my elbow, on in my finger and now in my rips. They all go away and never offer any probelms.

Lastly, I did hit a guy with an MMA glove and busted up my knuckle, my bad, he was bent over and I should have just switch kicked him in the face. Thats still there but it has zero effect on me.

In my 2 MMA fights, my sub wrestling and freestyle wrestling comps I've never got a scratch. (beside my knuckle).

So while yeah pain is a factor I dont see any reason why there should be long lasting negative effects. You'll always heal if you do it right.

Peace

I useed to think like that too. I guess I am at least 10 years older than you. I am 34. People used to say, when you hit the 30s , things slow up a bit.

I train daily,. and I hate and am saddened to say this (and its true), once you hit 30s - 35, you start to go down hill at bit.

My point is..with those injuries, you are gonna have problems later in life, guaranteed. especially in damp irish weather. arithis etc might set in

I know that sucks and it sucks for me too, cause I am in the same boat. training gets harder. hell. I am eating an 70% raw veg diet now, and its just about helping give we a little edge..

MaeveD

MaxBax wrote:

Yeah I think it's a man thing. Would you agree Maeve? The irrational willingness to self-hurt?

Yep, I think you're all mad

MaeveD

Millionaire wrote:

I useed to think like that too. I guess I am at least 10 years older than you. I am 34. People used to say, when you hit the 30s , things slow up a bit.

I train daily,. and I hate and am saddened to say this (and its true), once you hit 30s - 35, you start to go down hill at bit.

My point is..with those injuries, you are gonna have problems later in life, guaranteed. especially in damp irish weather. arithis etc might set in

I know that sucks and it sucks for me too, cause I am in the same boat. training gets harder. hell. I am eating an 70% raw veg diet now, and its just about helping give we a little edge..

Agree 100%, I'm getting on too and I don't bounce like I used to... my first break 12 years ago hurts now, it didn't when it healed first. Fair play with that diet Millionaire... couldn't do it!

I'm interested in the ages of the posters here, maybe someone who has more knowledge than me of how the board works do an age poll... I figure most are in their 20's and one in particular I figure is about ten (tee hee hee)

MaeveD

Millionaire wrote:

Like if your into horse riding , you could fall off and break your neck too.

Got feiced off one and broke my foot...

MaxBax

o reilly is 24?
fianna (is there 2 fianna's now) is 25
musashi is in his 30s
as is pma-ire
dave joyce is about 50 (lol)
paddyc must be 30 something
kavanagh i'd guess is 28
dlofep is early 20s
redraven must be around 30
millionaire is 34
maxbax is 22
o keefe is 23/24

they're actually all guesses.

Mikel

You have to draw a distinction between injuries that come with the turf and dumbass injuries. The vast majority of injuries I have seen are due to insfficient warm ups, going too hard too soon, or overtraining, and its always the same people who have them. Hamstrings, groins etc.
Running is notorious for chronic injuries, shin splints and achilles etc, any incorrect technique is exposed, and its high impact too.
My own career was ended by acl, but that was an acute once off event, bad luck, i've also seen a couple of broken legs.
Do ma guys in general carry 'niggles' all the time? Is it the same guys that always have them. Is it part of the game or is there something that could be corrected, I never had the niggly stuff, but that could be dumb luck. I never ran fast enough to pull a hamstring.

MaeveD

MaxBax wrote:

o reilly is 24?
fianna (is there 2 fianna's now) is 25
musashi is in his 30s
as is pma-ire
dave joyce is about 50 (lol)
paddyc must be 30 something
kavanagh i'd guess is 28
dlofep is early 20s
redraven must be around 30
millionaire is 34
maxbax is 22
o keefe is 23/24

they're actually all guesses.

Ohhhhhh.... I should never have asked... I feel soo old now

MaxBax

lol.

Musashi

Good guesses I'd say!

I am 34 years old.

FiannaGym.com

Really good guesses I'm 15 though. haha.

I think with vertually any injury if you heal it properly you can return to perfect working order. I cant see any reason why this wouldnt be the case.

Millionaire, I hope the other 30% is meat. MEAT!!!

Peace

Dave Joyce

dave joyce is about 50 (lol)
paddyc must be 30 something

Right thats it Max, I'm taking out my knives.....Whoops I just seen your glaring mistake and now realise you got Paddy and my ages reversed:D Mind you I feel like 90 (and yes those old injuries get worse with age), but am 42.

Then again, I'm sure all you guys would like to be like Paul The Budda Bridgestone who is actually 83, acts like hes 5 and looks like a virginal 13 year old:D

MaxBax

Lol. Paul has a nice tan.

dunkamania

FiannaGym.com wrote:

Eh, Pain dont hurt, dude.

The pain is being out of training.

Never were truer words written:)

dlofnep

Maxbax nails the correct on the face.

Cabelo

I'm 20 and both of my big toes hurt like jesus if I stub them wrong. It usually happens once a week or so during classes or walking about or whatever.

I'm young enough that you kids complaining has made me look into common issues in my MA (as you've seen my knees thread). It's lovely to think ahead a little.

Colm_OReilly

I think you misunderstand sport and martial arts.

The intention in training ma is not to hurt or injure, it is to win. Boxers don't look to kill their opponent, or do any damage, the look to win the fight the most efficient way they can. Ditto judoka and wrestlers.

Now, as an aside, one might say that a boxer looks to ko an opponent, or a mmaer looks to open up a cut. But the intention is not malicious and it's an acceptable risk of the sport, agreed on by all competitors. There intention is still to win and not to hurt their opponent/end their career.

Also, as a lot of other posters have said, injuries occur in other sports. Look at the level of contact in rugby, do they seek to get smashed like that in a tackle? No, they look to avoid it but accept the risk.

Furthermore, people who compete at any sort of high intensity will get injured, either acute or chronic. But so do casual practitioners in any sort of recreational activity if they carry it out wrong.

As for maschosism, have you ever ate chocolate? drank beer? had a smoke? These are all things which hurt your body, yet we don't call anyone a maschosist if they do these things. If you keep going would you call someone a maschosist if they ate bananas? (risk of potasiusm poisoning)

MaxBax

I don't think I misunderstand sports at all.

breadmonkey

Millionaire wrote:

I useed to think like that too. I guess I am at least 10 years older than you. I am 34. People used to say, when you hit the 30s , things slow up a bit.

I train daily,. and I hate and am saddened to say this (and its true), once you hit 30s - 35, you start to go down hill at bit.

My point is..with those injuries, you are gonna have problems later in life, guaranteed. especially in damp irish weather. arithis etc might set in

I know that sucks and it sucks for me too, cause I am in the same boat. training gets harder. hell. I am eating an 70% raw veg diet now, and its just about helping give we a little edge..

I've heard similar. Anecdotal I know, but I was skiing recently and my instructor told us him and all his mates (all around 30) were all messed up. Knees, backs, necks everything, just from years of mountain biking, snowboarding, climbing etc.

Millionaire

Yeah, I never believed people when they told me body slows a bit in the 30s.

I used to say, nope, never will happen me.

Its true though. it gets just a little harder. its a little tougher to push to do the extra round. a little tougher to give 110% for the last 30 seconds of a round.

and hangovers....man , hangovers last for 2 days nearly!!!! LOL!!!

FiannaGym.com

Luckily, you only get hang overs when you poison yourself.

Can anyone come up with a reason why the body "slows" in the 30s?

Peace

Millionaire

I would like to know that reason too!

I do not like the feeling at all.

its real annoying, when you just cannot do what you used to do. and its not for lack of training.. I train daily.

for example, I used to be a real good kicker, fast and flexible (referring to kickboxing kicks, hook kicks, spinning kicks) . now I am not as flexible, and its hard to do those kicks. the legs just do not have the spring in them like 3 or 4 years back.

nothing like a good hard MT kick to make up for it though!

Roper

I'm in my late 20's and speeding up... seriously. Weird huh?

Colm_OReilly

I'd put it down to genetics. Diseases that effect people before they have a chance to procreate are more likely to be weeded out than those that hit you after you've procreated.

So think of it like this: Gene A has you energetic until you are 30 or so, Gene B energetic until you are 40. But neither gene has an effect on how many children you can have (due to pair bonding and other factors). Neither of these genes will have a competitive edge.