kickboxing/muay thai heavyweight novices

Bad Boy

why is it near immposible to get novice full contact fights? i'm weighing in at 120kg solid. if a bastard is over 95kg he's in my weight class. aparantly i'm to heavy for the bitches. if they don't like the difference in weight go drop a few pounds and fight at -95kg. wheres as this poor ejeit has to cross the water to get competion.

MaxBax

alright fatty!

Ger Healy

If it more fight your looking for why not drop a few kg yourself?

Or at least stop eating all the pork pies

MaxBax

i'll give mark hunt a call see if he's free.

dlofnep

Peter Aerts is on his way over.. Hunt is still recovering from his beatdown.

Dragan

Bad Boy wrote:

i'm weighing in at 120kg solid.

Fair dues , i'm 120Kilo pretty solid now, but i just can't hold that kind of weight when i am training for any sort of ma seriously.

Roper

Jesus man I'm a big fella and you're a full person heavier than me!!!

MaxBax

lol.

ernesto hoost = bad boy?

dlofnep

Nice sig Max.

loz

Bad Boy wrote:

i'm weighing in at 120kg solid.

He's from Santry - he only weighs 75kg when he takes his rings and chains off.....

MaxBax

poor bad boy.

dlofnep

What's 120kg in pounds?

Dragan

About 265 or so.

Ger Healy

dlofnep wrote:

What's 120kg in pounds?

LOTS

MaxBax

google

120kg in lbs.

~265

dlofnep

That's a big boy.

paddyc

have just seen this post as well....


if you lolking kick boxing get ontot a lad called peter foley or Billy Murray, I am sure they get you fights, but if you training kickboxing best stay away from thai fights as they aint tha same at all


paddyc

MaxBax

quite similar though one would imagine.

paddyc

one would be wrong


thai and kickboxing are like

hurling and hockey

driving a tractor and a porsche



train in it for a wee while and you'll see the difference


paddyc

MaxBax

PaddyC, I see you've turned this into a discussion on Relativity. Well, let's take a lacrosse player, and give him a hurl and hockey stick. And let him play both sports, will he say they're similar? Perhaps? Now let's take a Formula 1 driver and do the same thing, he'd probably agree they're similar. Do the above for the porsche and the tractor.

it's all about the point of reference. I don't see how training for Muay Thai can be much different to training for full contact Kickboxing (read K1 rules).

Didn't Ernesto Hoost, Mark Hunt, LeBanner, all these guys train kickboxing and fight kickboxing rather than Muay Thai? Didn't kokolai (excuse that spelling) go from MT to KB?

I've trained in MT (3 times! Lol!) and not actually trained in KB so obviously, like everything else I say on this message board, needs to be taken with a pinch of sodium chloride. I don't see how/why they'd be much different, minus the elbows.

Dave Joyce

Ahh, I just love when people are naive. Hey Paddy, you should recommend Max to train with "Frank the Tank" and see if theres any difference (from Frankies perspective, of course) between Muaythai and Kickboxing:D

MaxBax

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh.

That hurts Dave, That hurts. I'm confiscating your knifes now.

Now who's laughing.

paddyc

max just to clarify a few points for you in the differences between the two, and might i say i have nothing against KB's if they are happy doing what they do then I am happy for them, I wont ever put a fella down if hes ahppy doing a bit of aul training


Full contact KB's kick with their feet, and many times with pads on the shins and insteps.... Thai boxers never wear pads and always kick with the shin...

Full Contact KB's cant grapple or knee their opponent..... thai boxers on the other hand commit themselves to many rounds of this in the gym and in fights so much so many of the fights more so the latter rounds are based on kneeing as the score a lot of points, within this there are throw to drop your opponent onto the ground, tiring him out and wearing him down...

Full contact KBs dont elbow ..... thai boxers on the other hand use these 2 weapons in a most devasting manner, and if you have ever been hit with one or two you might realise how effect they are, many thai fights are stopped with elbows and to say that thats the only real difference is no elbows in fairness shows a great lack of ignorance

yes I will agree with you the afore mentioned lads started off in KB, but you have toask your self what was aroung in holland etc 20 years ago there was only KB, but what should strike you like a hot iron in the face is that these lads converted over to thai


As did Anthony Corkery, Sean Dillon, Mick Furey, Paul Kelly, Pat Mc Evoy, Dave Joyce, Frankie Mc Conville, Craig o Fylnn.....


... in fact most of the pioneers of thai boxing in this country have converted over from KB.... that should be an indication as to how good/effective/rocking it is.....

and lets face it if you gave a formula one driver a tractor, yes he would admit that there are 4 wheels and an engine..... but would he hop up onto it and take it for a spin .....


paddyc


paddy

MaxBax

fair play brother clint, i see the force is with you.

in K1 you don't wear pads and you hit with knees and the shin.

to say that thats the only real difference is no elbows in fairness shows a great lack of ignorance

yeah, i think i know what you meant by this.

i think elbows are too nasty for sport. they cut people up too easily. I'm glad they're outlawed in K1.

Paddy would there be any point in you doing a Thai Boxing class for about 5-15 lads from different martial arts, probably judo, taekwon-do, kenpo etc? Would you get much done in a session etc.?

paddyc

Max

Thai is easy you do 8 things over and over again, and one day it all comes together and then its **** hot....


there a few lads on this board come to the bstone classes i take and they seem to be happy enough..

I used to do seminars and it normally was 3 hrs long as 1 half hold pads for 1.5 hrs and then swap, they always enjoyed it or so they told me

A 1 off class you would look to show the 4 main weapons working and give them a more rounded view of thai, would be a good start and enough to make peopls minds up, you never know i might even convert a few


paddy

MaxBax

right. i'll work on getting you in for a session. i don't think i'd have a problem getting the ninjas in, the mma orientated guys in judo should be interested too, but the boxers....

don't get me wrong. i love muay thai. it's great. i'm not saying mt is < than any other striking martial art. however, i'm not interested in becoming a mt practioneer, i don't want to fight MT rules, i don't want to elbow people in the face or get elbowed in the face. i quite like my face. i'd only use mt to get better at hitting ppl in mma.

but if mt floats your boat, fair play.

GBX

Paddy .. are you from up north? Did you do the class at bridgestone on Monday?

MaxBax

that sounds like paddy alright.

paddyc

gbx

up north... dont you mean "gods own country"

dont dont go saying i was ****e or anything like that


paddy

GBX

No, id not say that at all Paddy. After all I do plan to go back and given Ive already mentioned I just started, wouldnt take too long to figure out who I was and either A: get me to train bxtch hard B: kick my ass or both lol ...

Seriously .. im enjoying it. Even only after 2 attempts. Im gonna get going a couple of nights if I can.

And yes "gods own country"

Gary

Millionaire

paddyc wrote:

one would be wrong


thai and kickboxing are like

hurling and hockey

driving a tractor and a porsche



train in it for a wee while and you'll see the difference


paddyc

As a 4th Dan in Kickboxing ( I earned dan 1 and dan 2...not sure what I got dan 3 or dan 4 for.... ????!???? belts are good for holding up your pants)
and have trained kickboxing in a few places Ireland and Canada.

Now I am just a wee begineer in Muay Thai. doing it 1 year.

I would say that 80% of kickboxing is very weak to Muay Thai. Kickboxing kicks can be flicky, the training is usually not as intense. you are padded up for sparring with boots and shin guards. (I say 80% because there is always the rare exceptions to the rule...)

I would not be as hard on kickboxing as paddy. real kickboxing as in FC training is good (but thai is better). (plus some "kickboxing" is BS points fighting sports dung...crap).

Thai the training is harder, more intense, you use more weapons, you clinch. the training methods is much better.

In 45 mins. I am going to train, and it was be shadow, hard rounds on hard pads, with a pad man who kicks back, clinch work (its very physical, and knees in the ribs), heavy bag work, on rock hard bags...ouch!!. now compare that to your average kickboxing class.

Now if kickboxing took Thai training methods, it would be a lot better.

Plus I was pretty good at all the flashy kicks, whom I attempted on Paddy here, and each time I did one, got my supprt leg blasted with a muay thai
shin kick to my leg...ouch too!!!

As a result I do not practice kickboxing kicks no, more instead I do whatteh tahis do, and I concentrate on blasting the thai round kick 100s of time a day...and its way better!!!

Try it!!

Roper

Gents,
I come from an art known for its kicks, 8 years I did them and thought they were the dogs knackers, and I don't do them any more since I've been exposed to Thai.
It has the Roper seal of approval:D

Rob Kaman, did he come from thai to KB or KB to Thai? I can't remember.

Paddy,
Don't mind Max I think he's just playing this game

Cabelo

Mother of jesus... he's twice my weight.

I reckon I could take him.

RedRaven

Cabelo wrote:

Mother of jesus... he's twice my weight.

I reckon I could take him.

What...take him for lunch or a pint???!!!;)

Bad Boy

Dragan wrote:

Fair dues , i'm 120Kilo pretty solid now, but i just can't hold that kind of weight when i am training for any sort of ma seriously.

i'd probobly get it down to 115kg if i pushed it. i hear the bodybuilder brad is down to 185lbs thats down from around 230llbs. i wonder could he be as strong.

MaxBax

only 1 way to find out.