playing against reckless raiser

jobless

Hey all,

I recently started playing cash games on the internet and last night I moved up to the $.50/1 level out of curiosity more than anything else. I was going ok and up 80 dollars after an hour until a guy sat down who raised literally every hand preflop to 4 dollars.

Initially I tightened up but after a while I found myself calling him out of frustration, reraising him with decent hands but him still calling. I didn’t hit many flops either and so I had trouble calling any flop raises he put in.

I’m just wondering how you would play against this kind of player?…….i know I was playing above my level but as I said I was bored and curious…

Imposter

Tighten up and reraise him to about 10$ on hands you'd normally raise. If he folds a lot to this then do this with more hands, if he goes over the top too often you should get his stack eventually although you may need to rebuy a few times if he outdraws you

Edit: If however you are afraid to put in the big bets or you can't rebuy if you bust you really shouldn't be playing there.

Mr. Flibble

You could move seat and sit on his right and if nobody else has shown interest in his raise reraise him with anything decent.

cardshark202

Mr. Flibble wrote:

You could move seat and sit on his right and if nobody else has shown interest in his raise reraise him with anything decent.

To his left you mean...

Gholimoli

Mr. Flibble wrote:

You could move seat and sit on his right and if nobody else has shown interest in his raise reraise him with anything decent.

this is good point.if you sit on his left you will have position on him often.
but tighten up and dont get involved in a pot with him unless you have strong hand .
wait for a big PP or AK .
reraise him with PP but flat call with AK/AQ.
if you hit the flop with AK/AQ reraise his raises and dont be scared of going all the way .drop them if you dont.
eventually you will get his stack.

Mr. Flibble

No, I mean right. This way I would know where I stand with the rest of the players at the table. If he is wrecklessly raising I would be reraiseing him with less than premium hands and wouldn't like to do that with the whole table left to act behind me.

edit:
Also, if he has raised and 1 or 2 people have called, probably with weaker than normal hands, and you reraise they will give you credit for quite a strong hand.

cardshark202

Mr. Flibble wrote:

No, I mean right. This way I would know where I stand with the rest of the players at the table. If he is wrecklessly raising I would be reraiseing him with less than premium hands and wouldn't like to do that with the whole table left to act behind me.

So you first have to limp with rags, hope he raises, then hope the whole table folds, so you can then re-raise him?

Bananna man

Similar thing happened to me in a STT the other day. Their was about 5 of use left and everytime i was on the BB the SB raised me (this went on for about 8 rounds or so). I was patiently waiting till i got a good hand because he was clearly stealing my blinds but i was consistently getting crap pocket cards. Hugely frustrating.

Anyway i finally get K 8 and as he raises all the time so i put in a reraise with this hand thinking he'd have a medeocure hand at best. He had K 10 and i lost :mad:

Mr. Flibble

cardshark202 wrote:

So you first have to limp with rags, hope he raises, then hope the whole table folds, so you can then re-raise him?

No, limp with a reasonable hand. He will invariably raise, people will call with weaker than usual hands (as he is always raising), then u can reraise and pick up the dead money. It will look like you have a very strong hand as you are reraising after a raise and calls, and will pick up alot of dead money with prob the best hand.

Gholimoli

Mr. Flibble wrote:

No, I mean right. This way I would know where I stand with the rest of the players at the table. If he is wrecklessly raising I would be reraiseing him with less than premium hands and wouldn't like to do that with the whole table left to act behind me.

edit:
Also, if he has raised and 1 or 2 people have called, probably with weaker than normal hands, and you reraise they will give you credit for quite a strong hand.

this does not make sense at all.i thought it was a typo first.
the villain here is loose agrro.raises alot.if he is to your left you have no idea what he is going to do.
if you have AA and you raise and he is acting after you he may fold.
if you have AA and he acts first and raises you reraise.
you generally want the more thight/passive players to your left and the more active/agrro players to your right.
also if he is raising alot you shouldnt be reraising him with less than premium hands at all .you may elect to call in position with less than premium hand but certainly not reraise him.
these type of players whether they know what they are doing or not, make use of FE by putting pressure on you on every round.you need to get involved with them with a hand that hand stand that lind of pressure.

Mr. Flibble

Gholimoli wrote:

you generally want the more thight/passive players to your left and the more active/agrro players to your right.

Usually, but if they are ultra aggressive I'd perfer them on my left as it is so likely that they will raise for me. If I had AA i'd just limp presuming he'd raise for me, watch some people call his raise then go over the top when it got around to me.

Gholimoli

Bananna man wrote:

Similar thing happened to me in a STT the other day. Their was about 5 of use left and everytime i was on the BB the SB raised me (this went on for about 8 rounds or so). I was patiently waiting till i got a good hand because he was clearly stealing my blinds but i was consistently getting crap pocket cards. Hugely frustrating.

Anyway i finally get K 8 and as he raises all the time so i put in a reraise with this hand thinking he'd have a medeocure hand at best. He had K 10 and i lost :mad:

this is not the same situation when its in a tourney.
in a tourney you cant afford to wait for long time for a good hand as your under constant pressure from the blinds.
in a cash game the stakes dont go up so time is not an issue thats why you can and should for a good hand.

fuzzbox

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Usually, but if they are ultra aggressive I'd perfer them on my left as it is so likely that they will raise for me. If I had AA i'd just limp presuming he'd raise for me, watch some people call his raise then go over the top when it got around to me.

Fixed it.

Good strategy ... ahh how well I remember some of the wonderful times that a lunatic arrived at my table.

Sit at his right is good. Limp into him is good. Sometimes he wont raise, and you are in a limped pot with all the other players, but thats the way it is. But other times - he will raise, get 4 callers and you can just go all-in with JJ and expect it to be the best hand .

Mr. Flibble

Shlt, that one was a typo! I'm going to edit it so it dosn't confuse more people.

Gholimoli

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Usually, but if they are ultra aggressive I'd perfer them on my right as it is so likely that they will raise for me. If I had AA i'd just limp presuming he'd raise for me, watch some people call his raise then go over the top when it got around to me.

how many times are you going to get AA.
if this player was to your right he will milk you dry.you will have to drop alot of hands that you would normally play if you dint have to worry about this player acting after you.
example:
your in the CO and this player is in the button .
its folded to you and you have KQ which is an ok raising hand from this position when your openning.so you raise 3bb.
this player is after you on the burron and he makes it 7BB.
will you call?
if you call what will you do if flop comes 5 9 T?

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

how many times are you going to get AA.
if this player was to your right he will milk you dry.you will have to drop alot of hands that you would normally play if you dint have to worry about this player acting after you.
example:
your in the CO and this player is in the button .
its folded to you and you have KQ which is an ok raising hand from this position when your openning.so you raise 3bb.
this player is after you on the burron and he makes it 7BB.
will you call?
if you call what will you do if flop comes 5 9 T?

Gholi - what are you doing raising with any hand when this guy is at your table?

Jeez.

Mr. Flibble

Gholimoli wrote:

how many times are you going to get AA.
if this player was to your right he will milk you dry.you will have to drop alot of hands that you would normally play if you dint have to worry about this player acting after you.
example:
your in the CO and this player is in the button .
its folded to you and you have KQ which is an ok raising hand from this position when your openning.so you raise 3bb.
this player is after you on the burron and he makes it 7BB.
will you call?
if you call what will you do if flop comes 5 9 T?

Note there was 1 typo: to verify, I want him on my left. I want to be on his right.

When you say "if this player was to your right he will milk you dry" do you mean to your left?

I was your using your example of AA. AJo is good for me to reraise him.

I wouldnt have raised with KQ if he is raising almost every hand.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Gholi - what are you doing raising with any hand when this guy is at your table?

Jeez.

thats my point Fozz.
you cant raise with many hands if he is on your left.you can limp with big PP but how often are you gonna get them and even when you get them and limp he may decide that one hand that he dosent wanna raise and just wants to see a cheap flop.
but if he was on my right then i would deffo reraise him with big PP to get more money in the pot knowing he will call.

kincsem

Hide in the long grass and when he gets a bit too confident pounce.

Gholimoli

Mr. Flibble wrote:

Note there was 1 typo: to verify, I want him on my left. I want to be on his right.

When you say "if this player was to your right he will milk you dry" do you mean to your left?

I was your using your example of AA. AJo is good for me to reraise him.

I wouldnt have raised with KQ if he is raising almost every hand.

yip i meant to your left he would milk you dry.
thats my point if you would not raise with KQ then you would limp i take it?
then would you call a raise from him?

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

thats my point Fozz.
you cant raise with many hands if he is on your left.you can limp with big PP but how often are you gonna get them and even when you get them and limp he may decide that one hand that he dosent wanna raise and just wants to see a cheap flop.
but if he was on my right then i would deffo reraise him with big PP to get more money in the pot knowing he will call.

The other way around is far more profitable and far less troublesome.

If he is to your left, then the whole table will be trying to ambush him, and you will be too often caught between him and the nuts. His aggressive actions will cause you to impale yourself upon the nuts.

If you are to his right, then you can limp, watch him raise, see what the table does in response and then decide what to do with your hand.

Drakar

I was playing limit omaha for kicks, and saw someone doing this too. Basically every hand they got they raised. When the flop came they raised regardless of what they had.

He was totally cleaning up. Some of it was outdraws against better hands (in limit it's alot harder to push him off things of course), but it also means that you never have any idea what hand he's on, so it is difficult to know if you are ahead.

Obviously it's more fun to play with these guys in no limit since you can punish them for coming along for the ride, but it was interesting to watch his progress as people were a) afraid to call him preflop since they knew it was going to cost them two blinds b) they'd have a difficult decision postflop as they couldn't judge if they were ahead.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

The other way around is far more profitable and far less troublesome.

If he is to your left, then the whole table will be trying to ambush him, and you will be too often caught between him and the nuts. His aggressive actions will cause you to impale yourself upon the nuts.

If you are to his right, then you can limp, watch him raise, see what the table does in response and then decide what to do with your hand.

this is getting confusing.

first you say "if he is to your left" its bad.
then you say "if you are to his right" its good.
but these are the same !

fuzzbox

Yeah - thats a mistake .

Actually - its a new game - see if you can guess which one I really mean!

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Yeah - thats a mistake .

Actually - its a new game - see if you can guess which one I really mean!

are we up for the game 2nite or what?
im gonna let you sit to my right.

fuzzbox

Gholimoli wrote:

are we up for the game 2nite or what?
im gonna let you sit to my right.

Oh - then you are toast bubba !!

TOAST .... perhaps with some marmalade ... or even .... dare I say it .... JAM

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

Oh - then you are toast bubba !!

TOAST .... perhaps with some marmalade ... or even .... dare I say it .... JAM

i take it we have a game on 6pm?

Mr. Flibble

Gholimoli wrote:

thats my point if you would not raise with KQ then you would limp i take it? then would you call a raise from him?

Yep, I'd limp reraise. If he is raising this much I've got to be pretty confident that KQ isn't dominated. He might have an Ace, but unlikly to be AK AQ.