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No eye whites

  • 09-03-2006 12:23PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16


    Hi everyone!

    I posted this on Praoi site and although I got one persons impression I was just wondering if anybody else had any thoughts on it.




    19th January 2006- posting date

    "The first time I saw this child(?) I was standing at the bus stop on Patrick street. Nothing stressful going on in my life at the time it was before Christmas 2004. I was just waiting for the bus and having a cigarette when I felt someone staring at me so I looked to my right and there was this boy about 10 or 11 with red hair and freckles and a woman in her early 20's. I just got such a shock his eyes were as I've previously described almost completeley black. (Virtually no whites of the eyes present)I looked away and just mentally pulled my protection around myself.....to be very honest I was completely nervous. I just kept my eyes on the ground and hoped the bus would come soon. I could feel him continue looking at me. After about 2 minutes maybe 3 The woman walked across the road and called him with her. He stopped in the middle of the road turned and looked at me in this really creepy way like a dirty old man looking at porn or something....it was a completely inappropriate look for a child to give an adult. ( His eyes were still jet black) He then gave me a weird smile and crossed the road completely. The bus arrived within seconds and I had seen it coming as must have they.

    About two months later I was on a bus and heading out towards Douglas from Wilton direction. It was about 8.30 a.m. Schoolkids were getting on at bus stops and then this man got on maybe about my age. I saw his eyes and got a massive fright........Black eyes again. He sat opposite me and just stared at me until I got off the bus."


    So does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or similar experiences?

    Take care

    Reaphoenix

    P.s. Big thanks again to 6th, Andy and Loonie and of course everyone else



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Do you mind me asking: If they were staring at you and freaking you out, why didn't you talk to them? ...say something? - "Can I help you?"/"Hello!"/ "Nice weather" anything just to break the athmosphere you build up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Reaphoenix


    It felt like a completely unnatural situation.....It didn't feel right. I felt threatened and completely aware


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Fair enough, but to me, we create these feelings ourselves. We cripple ourselves with fear. What could have happened? In both occasions, you were safe. You were surrounded by other people.
    Next time (assuming your in a public place) don't let your fear cripple you. Use the fear to motivate you. The more the fear, the more you resent it. Say something. Act. Life is to short to live in fear.

    Thats my 2cents. Do with it as you will :)


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Wow, that'd scare the hell out of me. I'm sure it's something much more innocent than it seems, probably some kind of medical condition, but I don't even like talking to people wearing dark sunglasses, this'd make me run :eek:

    edit: I think the creepy part would be that you can't actually see what exactly they're looking at so if their head is pointing anywhere towards you it looks like they're staring at you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Funny you should post this, as it's something I've just been delving into lately. This is something which is becoming more common, particularly in the states.

    http://www.ghosts.org/stories/bekfaq.html
    http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/evil-kids.html
    http://paranormal.about.com/b/a/127847.htm
    http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread195374/pg1

    You will see from the links that the feeling fear and the staring are common in all cases. The twist on the American witness reports is that the black eyed kids ask for an invitation into your house/car and seem to not act like normal kids. It's fascinating actually, since in the cases investigated by John Keel in the Mothman Prophecies, a lot of the strange men in black type beings also would ask for invitations into people's houses; particularly for a glass of water. Once there, they would talk nonsense or ask strange questions about people and whether the people in question had ever talked about UFO's etc.

    As to what these black eyed kids are, I haven't formed much of an opinion yet. There is a medical condition which can cause the Iris to become black, and I've seen pictures of this, but I haven't heard of one that can make the entire eyeball black.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Could you link to that discussion on praoi? Can't find it, all I can see is someone talking about making wishes in the fourth dimension. I always thought the 4th dimension was time btw... hmmm.. strange bunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,633 ✭✭✭stormkeeper




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Kernel wrote:
    You will see from the links that the feeling fear and the staring are common in all cases. The twist on the American witness reports is that the black eyed kids ask for an invitation into your house/car and seem to not act like normal kids. It's fascinating actually, since in the cases investigated by John Keel in the Mothman Prophecies, a lot of the strange men in black type beings also would ask for invitations into people's houses; particularly for a glass of water. Once there, they would talk nonsense or ask strange questions about people and whether the people in question had ever talked about UFO's etc.

    That is in fact freakishly similar to the stories about Men in Black. I don't mean the XFiles type government operatives, I mean the bizarre inhuman beings who appear as men in black but ask strange questions and behave very strangely. Im sure a few of you know what im talking about.

    EDIT: Interesting links Kernel. Although did you not find that some of the stories were kind of sensationalised?

    EDIT2: Its been a while since I read about MIB, are there any reports of them having all black eyes? Some of the earliest stories go so far as to imply their bodies were artificial...more like vehicles, but I dont recal black eyes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Zillah wrote:
    EDIT: Interesting links Kernel. Although did you not find that some of the stories were kind of sensationalised?

    EDIT2: Its been a while since I read about MIB, are there any reports of them having all black eyes? Some of the earliest stories go so far as to imply their bodies were artificial...more like vehicles, but I dont recal black eyes.

    Yeah, some of the stories were undoubtedly sensationalised, but you always have to wonder how many non-internet posting people in the world have witnessed such strange things when there are so many accounts of it on the internet.

    When Keel was busy collecting witness reports of MIBs for the Mothman Prophecies, he (or the witnesses for that matter) had never heard of anything like it. Many witnesses described the MIBs as having very engaging and piercing eyes, almost hypnotic, and mentioned that they didn't like to look at the eyes for too long. As for the descriptions of the MIBs, some witnesses described them as looking asian, and having dark eyes, but being very tall and moving and speaking in a strange way - almost in a robotic manner.

    They also apparently had trouble with time, knowing what time it was etc. and driving old cars which looked brand new.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    You just reminded me, the behaviour of MiBs is somewhat similar to the airship pilots of the late 1800s. There was a spate of stories about flying vehicles (which hadn't been invented at the time) flying around north america, and the pilots of these machines showed a bizarre understanding of time and space, they would casually refer to things happening on the far side of the world and mention how they should be in Sydney tomorrow evening, things which were fundamentally impossible given the technology of the era. They'd land and introduce themselves, sometimes offer rides, and curiously, were often described as Asian looking.

    Its actually my favourite paranormal subject to date.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Not to be too much of a kill joy, but if you do see a child with a serious eye pigment difference, such as describe about, the most likely situation is that they have something seriously wrong with their eyes.

    I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

    So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Thats all well and good but it doesn't quite explain their psychic powers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Wicknight wrote:
    I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

    So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

    Not to be jumping to a conclusion (far from it with me! :)), but to discount these witness reports as glibly as being eye cancerous children etc. is probably being too flippant with the witness reports.

    I would say that your points are valid - however. If people encountered such naturally black eyed individuals, then they would likely sensationalise and elaborate on such stories. Having said that - such encounters are documented for many years now, and I would be dubious (but not to the point of discounting) that such meetings were merely natural.

    Like Zillah, such descriptions of paranormal entities are fascinating to me, but you have to ask, Wicknight, if you had such an encounter and feelings with black eyed entities and tried to explain it, how do you think people would take your report? And would that make it seem any less real to you?

    - Btw, I'm not for one minute suggesting that because of this paradigm that we should take it as evidence, more as for a food for thought - if one wanders down the road of discounting every witness account as fantasy, then we are probably as ignorant as anyone, and we throw the baby out with the bathwater as it were.

    But, having said that, as a rational person, I accept, and agree, on your point on common folk sensationalising on medical conditions. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Zillah wrote:
    You just reminded me, the behaviour of MiBs is somewhat similar to the airship pilots of the late 1800s. There was a spate of stories about flying vehicles (which hadn't been invented at the time) flying around north america, and the pilots of these machines showed a bizarre understanding of time and space, they would casually refer to things happening on the far side of the world and mention how they should be in Sydney tomorrow evening, things which were fundamentally impossible given the technology of the era.

    These cases have always interested me from when I first started reading of UFO phenomenon. At the time I kind of discounted them as fanciful recollections of a more primitive society attempting to describe a modern metallic UFO, but the more I have read about such phenomenon the more puzzled I have been with regard to man's comprehension of space travellers. It is almost as if these sightings have corresponded with our own imaginations. Another reason why I think there is more to the fascinating UFO phenomenon than merely extraterrestrial visitation.

    Ultraterrestrial anyone? Doesn't string theory tell us that there could be about 10 dimensions? If so, wouldn't this account for future portends, ghosts and many other paranormal phenomenon? More interesting I think than reading hokey books written by charlatan 'mentalists', which are often discussed in this forum - and which I find distasteful and ill-educated.
    :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Actually, what I find most fascinating about the airship stories is that they were described as being more like Zepplins than anything else. Its almost as if the phenomenon was adapting to the age. I strongly lean towards the ultraterrestrial theory, well, that or its nonesense...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Wicknight wrote:
    Not to be too much of a kill joy, but if you do see a child with a serious eye pigment difference, such as describe about, the most likely situation is that they have something seriously wrong with their eyes.

    I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

    So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

    The conditions you talk about don't always contribute to the same phenotype (black eyes) nor are they very common (the incidence is, population wise, extremely low) so considering the number of reports in diverse locations, over time, as an offered explanation, it requires almost as much faith or belief as any other explanation and certainly doesn't lend itself to occams razor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    psi wrote:
    The conditions you talk about don't always contribute to the same phenotype (black eyes) nor are they very common (the incidence is, population wise, extremely low) so considering the number of reports in diverse locations, over time, as an offered explanation, it requires almost as much faith or belief as any other explanation and certainly doesn't lend itself to occams razor.

    I'm not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal element one way or the other.

    I'm just saying that because this phenomona involves children, and children that are apparently living in Ireland, that people are running into day to day, we should remember that what ever the child is going through, paranormal or otherwise, it is probably not very nice and the last thing they need is a whole lot of people thinking they are some paranormal freak.

    Children aren't stupid, they can pick up on reactions from adults even if the adult is trying to hide it. A child with damaged or discoloured eyes, even if the reason is paranormal in nature, is going to notice if all the adults standing at a bus stop or road crossing are staring at their feet as if they have just seen Hitler. And they are going to know it is because of them.

    Having any form of visable abnormality is hard enough as a child, without people speculating that that abnormality means you are an alien/devil child.

    I don't want to be a kill-joy, and discussing this on the internet is probably harmless, but people should bare in mind we are talking about a real child here when forming their opinions about children with this phenomna.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Wicknight wrote:
    I'm just saying that because this phenomona involves children, and children that are apparently living in Ireland.

    Ok, what exactly do you mean by phenomenon (considering the nature of the forum)?

    Are you claiming that there is a medical condition causing entirely black eyes in children in Ireland? If so, can you gimme some info on it, because I honestly haven't heard about it (just a request on my part). The only pimentation condition that would be prevalent in Irish populations would be albinism. Black eyes are present (but not overly common) enough in asian and african populations but not in celtic/saxson irish.

    If you mean phenomenon of another sort, what type do you mean?

    [moderator hat]
    Noone is calling anyone any names here so I don't see a problem. If you see something you disagree with, please report the post.[/moderator hat]


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    Reaphoenix wrote:
    ....there was this boy about 10 or 11 with red hair and freckles and a woman in her early 20's. I just got such a shock his eyes were as I've previously described almost completeley black......He stopped in the middle of the road turned and looked at me in this really creepy way.......He then gave me a weird smile and crossed the road completely
    Reaphoenix wrote:
    .....this man got on maybe about my age. I saw his eyes and got a massive fright........Black eyes again. He sat opposite me and just stared at me until I got off the bus."
    Wicknight wrote:
    ....even if the reason is paranormal in nature...

    Assuming that the examples given in the OT are paranormal in nature (seeing as the OP has chosen to post here in Paranormal) I dont think there is a problem discussing it just because a "child" is involved. I really dont think we need a morality warden on this one, the charter and mods will make sure we dont step out of line.

    With regards to the OT, can i presume that people are considering (no matter how far fetched) the possibility of these people (child and man) are in someway being momentarilt possessed or used by some force to intimidate the observer or make them aware of something?

    6th


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    psi wrote:
    Are you claiming that there is a medical condition causing entirely black eyes in children in Ireland?

    No, the OP is. It might be paranormal in nature, but it is still a medical condition if this child exists.

    I am going on the assumption that the child the OP described does actually exist, and does actually have black eyes. That is a phenomenon, the cause unknown. If you believe that it is unlikely thats up to you.

    As I said before, I am not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal aspect to the phenomenon.
    psi wrote:
    Noone is calling anyone any names here so I don't see a problem.
    I don't have a problem with discussing this phenomenon, I just found the idea of being visably scared and freaked out in front of a child who hasn't actually done anything except look abnormal, a little distasteful, and I'm suggest the discussion try to keep in mind that we are discussing real children, with real problems.

    I mean, I would imagine if someone said they meet a child with downs syndrom on the bus and felt the child was some how evil, possessed by evil, or an alien, because of this, people would have issue with that.

    I should add if no one else has issue then I don't want to make a big thing about it. I'm not asking for a post to be censored or anything. I would just hope that this discussion doesn't effect someones reactions if they ever do meet someone who has eye damage, paranormal or otherwise.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Wicknight wrote:
    No, the OP is. It might be paranormal in nature, but it is still a medical condition if this child exists.

    I am going on the assumption that the child the OP described does actually exist, and does actually have black eyes. That is a phenomenon, the cause unknown. If you believe that it is unlikely thats up to you.

    I don't believe I said any such thing.
    As I said before, I am not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal aspect to the phenomenon.

    If you are suggesting a child merely has a condition causing its eyes to be different and this is explainable under rational context (which is the argument for sensitivity I believe you are making) then aren't you inherently suggesting that it isn't paranormal?
    I don't have a problem with discussing this phenomenon, I just found the idea of being visably scared and freaked out in front of a child who hasn't actually done anything except look abnormal, a little distasteful, and I'm suggest the discussion try to keep in mind that we are discussing real children, with real problems.

    So the you are suggesting its not a valid paranormal occurance.

    I'll moderate the forum and the dicussion thanks.
    I mean, I would imagine if someone said they meet a child with downs syndrom on the bus and felt the child was some how evil, possessed by evil, or an alien, because of this, people would have issue with that.

    In terms of a paranomral dicussion, this doesn't work at all.
    I should add if no one else has issue then I don't want to make a big thing about it. I'm not asking for a post to be censored or anything. I would just hope that this discussion doesn't effect someones reactions if they ever do meet someone who has eye damage, paranormal or otherwise.
    This is a paranomral dicussion board. If someone can put forward a suggestion of an actual condition that fits this, then I'd be interested to see it. Otherwise, we'll treat it like a paranormal dicussion.

    We're all adults here and I trust noone is going to say anything offensive.

    Now, back on topic please. If someone says something you feel is out of order, report the post. Lets not kill the trhead by discussing the moral implications.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Sorry, but I don't see the big deal. In the cinema I work in, one of the kids that comes in every so often also has no eye whites: where the white should be, its blood red.

    And the kid knows it freaks people out, thus stares at people. Its proberly due to some leak, somewhere.

    =-=

    As for the OP, I'd proberly just ask why are his eyes black, is it heditary, or was is caused by an accident?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    the_syco wrote:
    Sorry, but I don't see the big deal.
    Some background

    http://www.ghosts.org/stories/bekfaq.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eyed_Kids
    the_syco wrote:
    In the cinema I work in, one of the kids that comes in every so often also has no eye whites: where the white should be, its blood red.
    I get that every Saturday morning ... :D

    The paranormal pheneoma (going to learn that word one day), is a bit more than just having blood shot eyes. If it were half of Ireland would be being investigated. The black eyes is often linked to mind control attempts, or to mind reading.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,369 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I believe Syco meant red eyes, as in, imagine the fluid of the eye was full of blood, rather than mere bloodshot.

    Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

    What some posters are leaning towards appears to be that they look like children, but probably aren't, and most certainly don't have a mommy and daddy to go home to, nor do they go to school or have toys.

    As always my personal opinion shall be right on the fence until I've got a freaky black eye thingy to experiment on...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭GuanYin


    Zillah wrote:
    Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

    What some posters are leaning towards appears to be that they look like children, but probably aren't, and most certainly don't have a mommy and daddy to go home to, nor do they go to school or have toys.

    Pretty much spot on.

    Again, the whole "black eyes" thing is a common decription in the paranormal.

    Actually, if you go through the annals of paranormal literature you will see plenty of references to demons, ghosts etc etc appearing as children.

    Perhaps there is some significance in the desecration of innocense or perhaps children are less likely to cause wariness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Zillah wrote:
    Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

    Oh I apprecate that. I know one theory is that they are aliens, another one is that they are children possessed by a demon. In which case I wouldn't worry too much about upsetting their feelings right before they steal your soul :D

    Anyway, been warned by a mod not to comment or discuss the morality of this discussion so I can't really continue the discussion by answering questions on my original post. I think my original post was clear enough anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭terbo


    Maybe your sensitive and thats the way you percieve evil or similar:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    terbo wrote:
    Maybe your sensitive and thats the way you percieve evil or similar:)


    Good point Terbo, the OP may just be seeing these black eyes on a different level, their is nothing to suugest (additional witnesses) that the child or mans eyes are actually black?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Darkstar05


    Well,

    There is nothing EVIL about people with black, eyes. Yeah sure you can talk about all the medical conditions you like, and sure maybe some have medical conditions.

    Then there are those among us, who are not evil, they are just 'different' - they dont have a medical condition, they are normal. in every true sense of the word, just as normal as caucasians are pinkey red (white), Asians are tanned, and African people are black.

    Our earth has many colours and cultures, and all of them are normal. There are also those who are here from elsewhere. Those who are human-alien hybrids. they have black eyes, but there is nothing wrong with them & they are certainly not evil. They are just different.

    Did you know we about 5 years away from proving warp theory, and working out how we can travel in 10 dimensions through sub space ?

    well, for a civilisation to be at that point, then surely it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we are being monitored or studied ?

    People, within our lifetimes, we could be venturing to the stars, we stand on the threshold of the unknown, so its probably time to accept there are some things and people here , and now, that might seem different, but in a few years or decades, noone will think anything if it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Darkstar05 wrote:
    Those who are human-alien hybrids.
    ...emm this is a conclusion based on what exactly?
    Did you know we about 5 years away from proving warp theory, and working out how we can travel in 10 dimensions through sub space ?
    ...and this is based on??


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