No eye whites

Reaphoenix

Hi everyone!

I posted this on Praoi site and although I got one persons impression I was just wondering if anybody else had any thoughts on it.




19th January 2006- posting date

"The first time I saw this child(?) I was standing at the bus stop on Patrick street. Nothing stressful going on in my life at the time it was before Christmas 2004. I was just waiting for the bus and having a cigarette when I felt someone staring at me so I looked to my right and there was this boy about 10 or 11 with red hair and freckles and a woman in her early 20's. I just got such a shock his eyes were as I've previously described almost completeley black. (Virtually no whites of the eyes present)I looked away and just mentally pulled my protection around myself.....to be very honest I was completely nervous. I just kept my eyes on the ground and hoped the bus would come soon. I could feel him continue looking at me. After about 2 minutes maybe 3 The woman walked across the road and called him with her. He stopped in the middle of the road turned and looked at me in this really creepy way like a dirty old man looking at porn or something....it was a completely inappropriate look for a child to give an adult. ( His eyes were still jet black) He then gave me a weird smile and crossed the road completely. The bus arrived within seconds and I had seen it coming as must have they.

About two months later I was on a bus and heading out towards Douglas from Wilton direction. It was about 8.30 a.m. Schoolkids were getting on at bus stops and then this man got on maybe about my age. I saw his eyes and got a massive fright........Black eyes again. He sat opposite me and just stared at me until I got off the bus."


So does anyone have any thoughts or ideas or similar experiences?

Take care

Reaphoenix

P.s. Big thanks again to 6th, Andy and Loonie and of course everyone else

Zulu

Do you mind me asking: If they were staring at you and freaking you out, why didn't you talk to them? ...say something? - "Can I help you?"/"Hello!"/ "Nice weather" anything just to break the athmosphere you build up.

Reaphoenix

It felt like a completely unnatural situation.....It didn't feel right. I felt threatened and completely aware

Zulu

Fair enough, but to me, we create these feelings ourselves. We cripple ourselves with fear. What could have happened? In both occasions, you were safe. You were surrounded by other people.
Next time (assuming your in a public place) don't let your fear cripple you. Use the fear to motivate you. The more the fear, the more you resent it. Say something. Act. Life is to short to live in fear.

Thats my 2cents. Do with it as you will

stevenmu

Wow, that'd scare the hell out of me. I'm sure it's something much more innocent than it seems, probably some kind of medical condition, but I don't even like talking to people wearing dark sunglasses, this'd make me run :eek:

edit: I think the creepy part would be that you can't actually see what exactly they're looking at so if their head is pointing anywhere towards you it looks like they're staring at you.

Kernel

Funny you should post this, as it's something I've just been delving into lately. This is something which is becoming more common, particularly in the states.

http://www.ghosts.org/stories/bekfaq.html
http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/evil-kids.html
http://paranormal.about.com/b/a/127847.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread195374/pg1

You will see from the links that the feeling fear and the staring are common in all cases. The twist on the American witness reports is that the black eyed kids ask for an invitation into your house/car and seem to not act like normal kids. It's fascinating actually, since in the cases investigated by John Keel in the Mothman Prophecies, a lot of the strange men in black type beings also would ask for invitations into people's houses; particularly for a glass of water. Once there, they would talk nonsense or ask strange questions about people and whether the people in question had ever talked about UFO's etc.

As to what these black eyed kids are, I haven't formed much of an opinion yet. There is a medical condition which can cause the Iris to become black, and I've seen pictures of this, but I haven't heard of one that can make the entire eyeball black.

Kernel

Could you link to that discussion on praoi? Can't find it, all I can see is someone talking about making wishes in the fourth dimension. I always thought the 4th dimension was time btw... hmmm.. strange bunch.

stormkeeper

Here you go:

http://paranormalireland.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=190

Zillah

Kernel wrote:

You will see from the links that the feeling fear and the staring are common in all cases. The twist on the American witness reports is that the black eyed kids ask for an invitation into your house/car and seem to not act like normal kids. It's fascinating actually, since in the cases investigated by John Keel in the Mothman Prophecies, a lot of the strange men in black type beings also would ask for invitations into people's houses; particularly for a glass of water. Once there, they would talk nonsense or ask strange questions about people and whether the people in question had ever talked about UFO's etc.

That is in fact freakishly similar to the stories about Men in Black. I don't mean the XFiles type government operatives, I mean the bizarre inhuman beings who appear as men in black but ask strange questions and behave very strangely. Im sure a few of you know what im talking about.

EDIT: Interesting links Kernel. Although did you not find that some of the stories were kind of sensationalised?

EDIT2: Its been a while since I read about MIB, are there any reports of them having all black eyes? Some of the earliest stories go so far as to imply their bodies were artificial...more like vehicles, but I dont recal black eyes.

Kernel

Zillah wrote:

EDIT: Interesting links Kernel. Although did you not find that some of the stories were kind of sensationalised?

EDIT2: Its been a while since I read about MIB, are there any reports of them having all black eyes? Some of the earliest stories go so far as to imply their bodies were artificial...more like vehicles, but I dont recal black eyes.

Yeah, some of the stories were undoubtedly sensationalised, but you always have to wonder how many non-internet posting people in the world have witnessed such strange things when there are so many accounts of it on the internet.

When Keel was busy collecting witness reports of MIBs for the Mothman Prophecies, he (or the witnesses for that matter) had never heard of anything like it. Many witnesses described the MIBs as having very engaging and piercing eyes, almost hypnotic, and mentioned that they didn't like to look at the eyes for too long. As for the descriptions of the MIBs, some witnesses described them as looking asian, and having dark eyes, but being very tall and moving and speaking in a strange way - almost in a robotic manner.

They also apparently had trouble with time, knowing what time it was etc. and driving old cars which looked brand new.

Zillah

You just reminded me, the behaviour of MiBs is somewhat similar to the airship pilots of the late 1800s. There was a spate of stories about flying vehicles (which hadn't been invented at the time) flying around north america, and the pilots of these machines showed a bizarre understanding of time and space, they would casually refer to things happening on the far side of the world and mention how they should be in Sydney tomorrow evening, things which were fundamentally impossible given the technology of the era. They'd land and introduce themselves, sometimes offer rides, and curiously, were often described as Asian looking.

Its actually my favourite paranormal subject to date.

Zombrex

Not to be too much of a kill joy, but if you do see a child with a serious eye pigment difference, such as describe about, the most likely situation is that they have something seriously wrong with their eyes.

I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

Zillah

Thats all well and good but it doesn't quite explain their psychic powers

Kernel

Wicknight wrote:

I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

Not to be jumping to a conclusion (far from it with me! ), but to discount these witness reports as glibly as being eye cancerous children etc. is probably being too flippant with the witness reports.

I would say that your points are valid - however. If people encountered such naturally black eyed individuals, then they would likely sensationalise and elaborate on such stories. Having said that - such encounters are documented for many years now, and I would be dubious (but not to the point of discounting) that such meetings were merely natural.

Like Zillah, such descriptions of paranormal entities are fascinating to me, but you have to ask, Wicknight, if you had such an encounter and feelings with black eyed entities and tried to explain it, how do you think people would take your report? And would that make it seem any less real to you?

- Btw, I'm not for one minute suggesting that because of this paradigm that we should take it as evidence, more as for a food for thought - if one wanders down the road of discounting every witness account as fantasy, then we are probably as ignorant as anyone, and we throw the baby out with the bathwater as it were.

But, having said that, as a rational person, I accept, and agree, on your point on common folk sensationalising on medical conditions.

Kernel

Zillah wrote:

You just reminded me, the behaviour of MiBs is somewhat similar to the airship pilots of the late 1800s. There was a spate of stories about flying vehicles (which hadn't been invented at the time) flying around north america, and the pilots of these machines showed a bizarre understanding of time and space, they would casually refer to things happening on the far side of the world and mention how they should be in Sydney tomorrow evening, things which were fundamentally impossible given the technology of the era.

These cases have always interested me from when I first started reading of UFO phenomenon. At the time I kind of discounted them as fanciful recollections of a more primitive society attempting to describe a modern metallic UFO, but the more I have read about such phenomenon the more puzzled I have been with regard to man's comprehension of space travellers. It is almost as if these sightings have corresponded with our own imaginations. Another reason why I think there is more to the fascinating UFO phenomenon than merely extraterrestrial visitation.

Ultraterrestrial anyone? Doesn't string theory tell us that there could be about 10 dimensions? If so, wouldn't this account for future portends, ghosts and many other paranormal phenomenon? More interesting I think than reading hokey books written by charlatan 'mentalists', which are often discussed in this forum - and which I find distasteful and ill-educated.
:mad:

Zillah

Actually, what I find most fascinating about the airship stories is that they were described as being more like Zepplins than anything else. Its almost as if the phenomenon was adapting to the age. I strongly lean towards the ultraterrestrial theory, well, that or its nonesense...

GuanYin

Wicknight wrote:

Not to be too much of a kill joy, but if you do see a child with a serious eye pigment difference, such as describe about, the most likely situation is that they have something seriously wrong with their eyes.

I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

The conditions you talk about don't always contribute to the same phenotype (black eyes) nor are they very common (the incidence is, population wise, extremely low) so considering the number of reports in diverse locations, over time, as an offered explanation, it requires almost as much faith or belief as any other explanation and certainly doesn't lend itself to occams razor.

Zombrex

psi wrote:

The conditions you talk about don't always contribute to the same phenotype (black eyes) nor are they very common (the incidence is, population wise, extremely low) so considering the number of reports in diverse locations, over time, as an offered explanation, it requires almost as much faith or belief as any other explanation and certainly doesn't lend itself to occams razor.

I'm not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal element one way or the other.

I'm just saying that because this phenomona involves children, and children that are apparently living in Ireland, that people are running into day to day, we should remember that what ever the child is going through, paranormal or otherwise, it is probably not very nice and the last thing they need is a whole lot of people thinking they are some paranormal freak.

Children aren't stupid, they can pick up on reactions from adults even if the adult is trying to hide it. A child with damaged or discoloured eyes, even if the reason is paranormal in nature, is going to notice if all the adults standing at a bus stop or road crossing are staring at their feet as if they have just seen Hitler. And they are going to know it is because of them.

Having any form of visable abnormality is hard enough as a child, without people speculating that that abnormality means you are an alien/devil child.

I don't want to be a kill-joy, and discussing this on the internet is probably harmless, but people should bare in mind we are talking about a real child here when forming their opinions about children with this phenomna.

GuanYin

Wicknight wrote:

I'm just saying that because this phenomona involves children, and children that are apparently living in Ireland.

Ok, what exactly do you mean by phenomenon (considering the nature of the forum)?

Are you claiming that there is a medical condition causing entirely black eyes in children in Ireland? If so, can you gimme some info on it, because I honestly haven't heard about it (just a request on my part). The only pimentation condition that would be prevalent in Irish populations would be albinism. Black eyes are present (but not overly common) enough in asian and african populations but not in celtic/saxson irish.

If you mean phenomenon of another sort, what type do you mean?

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Noone is calling anyone any names here so I don't see a problem. If you see something you disagree with, please report the post.[/moderator hat]

6th

Reaphoenix wrote:

....there was this boy about 10 or 11 with red hair and freckles and a woman in her early 20's. I just got such a shock his eyes were as I've previously described almost completeley black......He stopped in the middle of the road turned and looked at me in this really creepy way.......He then gave me a weird smile and crossed the road completely

Reaphoenix wrote:

.....this man got on maybe about my age. I saw his eyes and got a massive fright........Black eyes again. He sat opposite me and just stared at me until I got off the bus."

Wicknight wrote:

....even if the reason is paranormal in nature...

Assuming that the examples given in the OT are paranormal in nature (seeing as the OP has chosen to post here in Paranormal) I dont think there is a problem discussing it just because a "child" is involved. I really dont think we need a morality warden on this one, the charter and mods will make sure we dont step out of line.

With regards to the OT, can i presume that people are considering (no matter how far fetched) the possibility of these people (child and man) are in someway being momentarilt possessed or used by some force to intimidate the observer or make them aware of something?

6th

Zombrex

psi wrote:

Are you claiming that there is a medical condition causing entirely black eyes in children in Ireland?

No, the OP is. It might be paranormal in nature, but it is still a medical condition if this child exists.

I am going on the assumption that the child the OP described does actually exist, and does actually have black eyes. That is a phenomenon, the cause unknown. If you believe that it is unlikely thats up to you.

As I said before, I am not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal aspect to the phenomenon.

psi wrote:

Noone is calling anyone any names here so I don't see a problem.

I don't have a problem with discussing this phenomenon, I just found the idea of being visably scared and freaked out in front of a child who hasn't actually done anything except look abnormal, a little distasteful, and I'm suggest the discussion try to keep in mind that we are discussing real children, with real problems.

I mean, I would imagine if someone said they meet a child with downs syndrom on the bus and felt the child was some how evil, possessed by evil, or an alien, because of this, people would have issue with that.

I should add if no one else has issue then I don't want to make a big thing about it. I'm not asking for a post to be censored or anything. I would just hope that this discussion doesn't effect someones reactions if they ever do meet someone who has eye damage, paranormal or otherwise.

GuanYin

Wicknight wrote:

No, the OP is. It might be paranormal in nature, but it is still a medical condition if this child exists.

I am going on the assumption that the child the OP described does actually exist, and does actually have black eyes. That is a phenomenon, the cause unknown. If you believe that it is unlikely thats up to you.

I don't believe I said any such thing.

As I said before, I am not making a comment on the validity of the paranormal aspect to the phenomenon.

If you are suggesting a child merely has a condition causing its eyes to be different and this is explainable under rational context (which is the argument for sensitivity I believe you are making) then aren't you inherently suggesting that it isn't paranormal?

I don't have a problem with discussing this phenomenon, I just found the idea of being visably scared and freaked out in front of a child who hasn't actually done anything except look abnormal, a little distasteful, and I'm suggest the discussion try to keep in mind that we are discussing real children, with real problems.

So the you are suggesting its not a valid paranormal occurance.

I'll moderate the forum and the dicussion thanks.

I mean, I would imagine if someone said they meet a child with downs syndrom on the bus and felt the child was some how evil, possessed by evil, or an alien, because of this, people would have issue with that.

In terms of a paranomral dicussion, this doesn't work at all.

I should add if no one else has issue then I don't want to make a big thing about it. I'm not asking for a post to be censored or anything. I would just hope that this discussion doesn't effect someones reactions if they ever do meet someone who has eye damage, paranormal or otherwise.

This is a paranomral dicussion board. If someone can put forward a suggestion of an actual condition that fits this, then I'd be interested to see it. Otherwise, we'll treat it like a paranormal dicussion.

We're all adults here and I trust noone is going to say anything offensive.

Now, back on topic please. If someone says something you feel is out of order, report the post. Lets not kill the trhead by discussing the moral implications.

the_syco

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal. In the cinema I work in, one of the kids that comes in every so often also has no eye whites: where the white should be, its blood red.

And the kid knows it freaks people out, thus stares at people. Its proberly due to some leak, somewhere.

=-=

As for the OP, I'd proberly just ask why are his eyes black, is it heditary, or was is caused by an accident?

Zombrex

the_syco wrote:

Sorry, but I don't see the big deal.

Some background

http://www.ghosts.org/stories/bekfaq.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eyed_Kids

the_syco wrote:

In the cinema I work in, one of the kids that comes in every so often also has no eye whites: where the white should be, its blood red.

I get that every Saturday morning ...

The paranormal pheneoma (going to learn that word one day), is a bit more than just having blood shot eyes. If it were half of Ireland would be being investigated. The black eyes is often linked to mind control attempts, or to mind reading.

Zillah

I believe Syco meant red eyes, as in, imagine the fluid of the eye was full of blood, rather than mere bloodshot.

Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

What some posters are leaning towards appears to be that they look like children, but probably aren't, and most certainly don't have a mommy and daddy to go home to, nor do they go to school or have toys.

As always my personal opinion shall be right on the fence until I've got a freaky black eye thingy to experiment on...

GuanYin

Zillah wrote:

Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

What some posters are leaning towards appears to be that they look like children, but probably aren't, and most certainly don't have a mommy and daddy to go home to, nor do they go to school or have toys.

Pretty much spot on.

Again, the whole "black eyes" thing is a common decription in the paranormal.

Actually, if you go through the annals of paranormal literature you will see plenty of references to demons, ghosts etc etc appearing as children.

Perhaps there is some significance in the desecration of innocense or perhaps children are less likely to cause wariness.

Zombrex

Zillah wrote:

Wicknight, I believe the problem is that you're automatically assuming, and expecting everyone else to agree, that these are children.

Oh I apprecate that. I know one theory is that they are aliens, another one is that they are children possessed by a demon. In which case I wouldn't worry too much about upsetting their feelings right before they steal your soul

Anyway, been warned by a mod not to comment or discuss the morality of this discussion so I can't really continue the discussion by answering questions on my original post. I think my original post was clear enough anyway.

terbo

Maybe your sensitive and thats the way you percieve evil or similar:)

6th

terbo wrote:

Maybe your sensitive and thats the way you percieve evil or similar:)

Good point Terbo, the OP may just be seeing these black eyes on a different level, their is nothing to suugest (additional witnesses) that the child or mans eyes are actually black?

Darkstar05

Well,

There is nothing EVIL about people with black, eyes. Yeah sure you can talk about all the medical conditions you like, and sure maybe some have medical conditions.

Then there are those among us, who are not evil, they are just 'different' - they dont have a medical condition, they are normal. in every true sense of the word, just as normal as caucasians are pinkey red (white), Asians are tanned, and African people are black.

Our earth has many colours and cultures, and all of them are normal. There are also those who are here from elsewhere. Those who are human-alien hybrids. they have black eyes, but there is nothing wrong with them & they are certainly not evil. They are just different.

Did you know we about 5 years away from proving warp theory, and working out how we can travel in 10 dimensions through sub space ?

well, for a civilisation to be at that point, then surely it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we are being monitored or studied ?

People, within our lifetimes, we could be venturing to the stars, we stand on the threshold of the unknown, so its probably time to accept there are some things and people here , and now, that might seem different, but in a few years or decades, noone will think anything if it.

Zulu

Darkstar05 wrote:

Those who are human-alien hybrids.

...emm this is a conclusion based on what exactly?

Did you know we about 5 years away from proving warp theory, and working out how we can travel in 10 dimensions through sub space ?

...and this is based on??

Red Hand

If thats true then it probably was a medical condition. The whites of the eyes are supposedly a communication device. If you open your eyes really wide, then that exposes the greatest amount of white, conveying surprise.

But then again theres alot more in life than that which is measurable or examinable

Zillah

Jeremiah 16:1 wrote:

If thats true then it probably was a medical condition. The whites of the eyes are supposedly a communication device. If you open your eyes really wide, then that exposes the greatest amount of white, conveying surprise.

Well, most of your face can convey something to another human, I don't think there's anything specific about the eye-whites.

Darkstar05

Zulu wrote:

...emm this is a conclusion based on what exactly?

Absolutely no factual evidence, purely speculative, and circumstantial.
However, I for one am a complete sceptic, and having decided to do some research before I shot people down in flames, I found myself questioning, and that was enough to make me change from complete non acceptance, and disbelief, into an open minded sceptic.

Hyperdrive in 5 years however is quite a different story.

Zulu wrote:

...and this is based on??

Well, if you wish to open your mind, take a look at these pages. they may convince you I am not talking out of my a$$.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/hyperdrive/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/09/hot_plasma/

http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006

There are many other sources who are talking about the same heim-droscher space experiments, and quoting approximately 5 years for a test device.

Remember, at the turn of the last century, we could not even fly. 69 years later, we were walking on the moon. the human intellect, and spirit can achieve wonders!

DS05

Zulu

Darkstar05 wrote:

Hyperdrive in 5 years however is quite a different story.

Well, if you wish to open your mind, take a look at these pages. they may convince you I am not talking out of my a$$.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/hyperdrive/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/09/hot_plasma/
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006
There are many other sources who are talking about the same heim-droscher space experiments, and quoting approximately 5 years for a test device.

Remember, at the turn of the last century, we could not even fly. 69 years later, we were walking on the moon. the human intellect, and spirit can achieve wonders!

DS05

It's a nice story, but 5 years is VERY optimistic.
"The general consensus seems to be that Dröscher and Häuser's theory is incomplete at best, and certainly extremely difficult to follow."

Darkstar05

Zulu wrote:

It's a nice story, but 5 years is VERY optimistic.
"The general consensus seems to be that Dröscher and Häuser's theory is incomplete at best, and certainly extremely difficult to follow."

I absolutely Agree, I think the hope is to convince the scientists at Sandia Labs that the math holds up, so they understand the 8 dimentional universe model, then they will allow the Z machine to be used to either prove or disprove Heim's equations.

I Myself think 5 years is probably good to run simulations, and prove the subspace field theory. I think a working engine is more like 10 or 15 years away. (Providing of course that Heim is right, and the equations unify quantum and relative physics.)

It is ( you have to admit) an exciting time for our species here though. We are standing on what could be the brink of interstellar travel. Something that none of us would have believed possible only 10 years ago.

When Stephen Hawking appeared in 'Star Trek' , he was given a tour of the set. When he reached the set for the matter/antimatter reactor, or engine room, he commented to the people present that he was 'working on this'

With such brilliant minds working on the problem I believe that in our lifetime we may well take our first faltering steps out into the universe.

When John F. Kennedy made his famous speech - ( " We choose to go to the moon, in this decade and do the other things - not because they are easy , but because they are hard!") - noone had any idea how it would be accomplished. However, determination, engineering, and science prevailed.

I think this century will give us some fantastic inventions. If I were to put money on which ones we wil see first, I would have to bet on Zero point energy (we need to solve the oil crisis), Cold Fusion, and Antigravity propulsion. - interstellar travel and warp drive may come later.

Either way it is an encouraging story, and we will hopefully know who or what is out there in our lifetimes.

DS05

6th

come on guys, please dont hijack the thread, start a new one for this stuff. Dont get me wrong its interesting but not "really" relevant?

6th

Zulu

Darkstar05 wrote:

It is ( you have to admit) an exciting time for our species here though.

I can't deny that. Things like this have a tendency of getting bogged down by corporate profits. I'd like to see it in my lifetime - but I'm afraid I don't hold your good faith!

dublin6th wrote:

come on guys, please dont hijack the thread, start a new one for this stuff. Dont get me wrong its interesting but not "really" relevant?

My apologies - you're dead right.

Darkstar05

You are of course right. I apologise, and will post no more on it. Perhaps though, we might post on the SCI forum to get the opinion of scientists who deal with this stuff on a daily basis .. Hey Zulu what do you think ? Interested ? - will I start a thread on the SCI forum, and ask for opinions of Heim-Droscher subspace theory ? - either way, I will close my comments here , on the matter, and get back to the people with black eyes.

as I said, I have no evidence for human-alien hybrids, but do the research people, make your own minds up. there are stranger things in heaven and earth .. as they say .

Signing off.

DS05

TiwstaSista

Darkstar05 wrote:

There is nothing EVIL about people with black, eyes. Yeah sure you can talk about all the medical conditions you like, and sure maybe some have medical conditions.

I dunno, I once was at a bus stop with a wino who had a black eye. He smelled pretty evil to me. I felt it in me waters.

Reaphoenix

Hi Everyone,

sorry I haven't replied sooner but had trouble logging on many times.

Just to let you know. the experiences frightened me on a spiritual level.

On no occassion did I react in any upsetting/disturbing way in front of the "child"
I felt at the time that it was vital to not show any reaction at the time not even an acknowledgement of what was there or how terrified I was. I felt at the time that any reaction even a blink out of place was being watched.

I am delighted that so many people have so many interesting ideas on the whole thing, and thanks for sharing them with me.

If you want any more details on the occurences just let me know.

Best wishes to all

Reaphoenix

6th

Found an Interesting article related to this topic:

Black Eyed Kids: A Profile by Barry Napier

The internet has made it so that it is much easier to stay up to date with paranormal events. Sadly, it has also made it easier for people to spread many false claims and hoaxes. Because of this, it is difficult to tell when someone is contributing to a lie that has already fooled many readers or if the account is truthful.

One such phenomena is the growing number of stories regarding so-called Black Eyed Kids. The stories certainly reek of an almost mythological stench, but there are so many similar accounts that it is hard to look past. The events have been quietly gaining momentum in forums and paranormal websites, so quiet that many people are still not familiar with them. The Black Eyed Kids reports are scattered around the internet and chances are that a great deal of them are fabrications derived from the first reported accounts. But if the Black Eyed Kids (BEKs) are real, then they certainly deserve a great deal of attention. And for those that are not familiar with the phenomena, a profile might be handy in order to get familiar with the subject.

A Brief Background

The first well documented and discussed account came from a journalist named Brian Bethel in 1998. In his story, two children (not quite teens, but close) approached him as he sat in his car while parked in a parking lot. At first glance, the kids looked normal, wearing clothes that were in style and had a pale, olive colored skin. In acknowledging the two boys, Bethel was overcome with a peculiar fear that he describes in his account as: "I could feel fight-or-flight responses kicking in. Something, I knew instinctually, was not right, but I didn't know what it could possibly be."

Claiming that they were on their way to see a movie but had left their money at home, the two boys asked Bethel for a ride back to their house. When Bethel did not allow them into his car, the kids seemed to get annoyed and kept asking for a ride. As Bethel's fear and panic increased, he actually found himself wanting to open the door. However, when Bethel noticed their eyes, a primal fear took over and momentarily paralyzed him; the kids had coal black eyes, completely lacking pupils and irises.

As if sensing that their chance for admittance into the car was coming to and end, the kids got more urgent and demanding. Bethel was finally able to push his fear momentarily aside and drive away. And while his story sounds like something out of a horror novel, there are other accounts to back it up. (Bethel's account can be found at http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/evil-kids.html)

Most accounts occur at the individual's home. There is a knock on the door and on the other side, waiting patiently, is a kid of roughly 12 to 17 years of age. Their dress is usually common for the time and they seem rather normal. But then the sudden fear and the sense of wrongness sinks in. And then of course, there are the eyes.

The BEKs will always ask to be invited inside. Sometimes they claim that they need to use the telephone because they are lost, or their car broke down just up the road. If anyone has ever let them inside, there are no credible accounts. Almost all people who have run-ins with BEKs are too overcome with an unexplained fear and end up turning them away. This only infuriates the kids and they appear to grow impatient and more demanding that they be let in. Also, they will never actually leave until the person they have approached has either closed the door or left the scene of the encounter.

Rational Theories

There are a few obvious explanations that can be used to debunk these odd stories. The black eyes, for example could be nothing more than contact lenses. (Solid black contacts are available). But still, how does that explain the unnerving sense of fear and despair in those that encounter the BEKs?

The most likely scenario is that the few convincing reports were the results of overactive imaginations and that the string of reports that followed were nothing more than copycat falsified stories used for attention or fun. But most accounts seem to be passionate, and people that have encountered the BEKs seem to be genuinely frightened even after the encounter.

These are the easier approaches to the subject, the logical theories that easily sweep aside such foolish notions. But if even half of the numerous reports that are hidden around the internet are true, these logical approaches could be dangerous.

Not-So-Rational Theories

The most bizarre contradiction to the story is the fact that BEKs are said to give off a frightening vibe. Those that meet them claim to feel threatened, panicked and even disoriented. Some believe that this could be a result of their black eyes, maybe some sort of hypnotic suggestion used as an attempt to convince the person to let them inside their house or vehicle.

But then there is the question of why they don't just storm through the door without an invitation. Surely such a menacing figure would be capable of such an intrusion. A common theory that explains this is that the BEKs are some sort of evil spirit, maybe even a demon. The most recognizable figure that needs an invitation before entering a house is a vampire. While it is certainly a big stretch to claim that these kids are blood sucking fiends, we must remember that the idea of an evil presence needing some sort of invitation before entering a house (or even a human being) is a longstanding belief in many religions.

Another question: If BEKs are demons or some other evil entity, why take the form of a child? Perhaps they feel that caring people would have no qualms about allowing a lost or distressed child into their home to use the phone? The idea of a needy child knocking on one's door is certainly more appealing than a strange man.

There are others that think the BEKs are extraterrestrial simply because of the ability to inflict fear so quickly (ie; mind control) and the black eyes. Obviously, being that all accounts are so far only available through the internet, there is no tangible proof. So these theories are exactly that…theories.

At a Glance

Whether or not you buy into the mythos of the BEK phenomena, it is certainly a topic that leaves an unsettling feeling with the reader. But the more accounts you read, it seems that there might actually be something to it all, something that gives it a bit of slight credibility rather than dismissing it as an urban legend.

In closing, here are a few things that seem to be constants in BEK reports. Whether you use this information for your interest in the subject or debunking strategies is up to you.

1. Almost all cases occur at night or late afternoon just around dusk. Is the preference of night an instinctive strategy for the BEKs? Does our instilled fear of the dark somehow assist them with their scare tactics? Or maybe it is simply easier for them to approach their target undetected while moving about in the night.

2. The need to be invited in, as stated before, certainly reminds us of vampires. And while I personally don't believe in vampires, I can easily entertain the notion that the BEKs might be evil spirits or demons. If, that is, they are real to begin with.

3. The black eyes are obviously their most striking feature. It has been argued on several forums that if the BEKs are so sinister and crafty, why don't they just wear sunglasses to cover up this demonic feature? An easy counter to this is the fact that their eyes seem to be the source of the overpowering fear that people experience. Therefore, by obstructing their eyes with sunglasses, any sort of hypnotic suggestion via eye contact would be eliminated.

I'll be among the first to admit that the phenomena is a far fetched and unbelievable one. But as several internet forums indicate, it has many people intrigued. Still, as is the case with many other series of unexplained events that are spread across the net, the BEKs will be nothing more than internet hearsay until there is undeniable proof.

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Nevyn

Well anything or anyone person or spirit or even a person ridden spirit that raises your hackles and wakes up you hind brain and makes you scared which then insists on an inviite into your personal space/home/care or what every should be refused.

Yes Reaphoenix some times with certain types of predators be they human animal or other wise showing fear and slef doubt is the worse thing to do.

mar 25

HI you should'nt be afraid kids look at adults like they are weird so dont take it to heart. I have a kid im 26 she would never do something like that but she is only 7 but guys seem to be a bit weider then girls. It is just you freaking out dont worry mate it's all in your head

FranknFurter

Wicknight wrote:

Not to be too much of a kill joy, but if you do see a child with a serious eye pigment difference, such as describe about, the most likely situation is that they have something seriously wrong with their eyes.

I have heard of some cancers and other eye and face diseases causing black and red eyes as pressure in the back of the eye causes the eye ball to fill with blood. This can also becaused by facial trauma. This can also lead to a significant decrease in vision, which could explain why a person with these types of problems appears to be staring off into space or at you without noticing they are.

So while the black eye children phemonona is certainly doing the rounds in paranormal circles at the moment, and I'm not making any comment which way or the other about the phenomona, I think people whould keep in mind that behind these stories there are probably a lot of poor quite sick kids going through a pretty horrible time at the moment.

Somthing like this?
If this childs eyes were'nt so wide open he would appear as having almost completely black eyes.

There are many things that can cause such a thing (as quoted above).

Hell, even david bowie has one permanently dialated pupil and is half blind in one eye (which also noticably changes color under different light btw ).
Bit too explainable imho.

b

GreenDoor

Here's a good story about a black eyed waitress that turned into a lizard thing.
http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstory_july06_10.htm

Here's a story about a postman encountering a MIB and being transfered from the route after.
http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstory_july06_25.htm


You can find out more stories etc on this site http://paranormal.about.com/library/blstories06.htm
Theres good reading there.

Zillah

I love the Black Eyed Kid's stories. Sounds like absolute nonesense to be honest, but its such a unique and interesting phenomenon that I can't dismiss it.

6th

Ok just saw this related article on http://paranormal.about.com

Invasion of the Black-Eyed People

Encounters with strange beings said to be "inhuman"
CREEPY, UNNERVING, threatening, sinister... even inhuman. These are words that people have used to describe children, adolescents and adults they have encountered who share an odd trait in common: unnaturally black eyes. Black-eyed people. Black-eyed kids. Who are they?

Granted, many people have dark eyes. Although black is not a natural eye coloration, there are many people with very dark brown or dark blue eyes that, under the right lighting conditions, can look black or nearly black. But in some cases, the black-eyed people are seen in excellent lighting conditions – bright daylight, for example. Also, some of these reports say that these are not just incidents of dark irises; their entire eye appears black, with little or no white showing.

Now all this could be chalked up to the perception of the viewer.

But what is disturbing, in many cases, is the peculiar attitudes and behavior exhibited by some of these black-eyed people. Also, those who encounter them often are overcome with a profound sense of dread – as if these beings are to be avoided at all cost.

Paranoia? A psychological reaction to the eyes? Let's look at some cases.

Article continues HERE.

Zombrex

6th wrote:

Ok just saw this related article on http://paranormal.about.com

"He spoke normally to me, but I had to just shut the door in his face and get as far from him as I could. I felt like I was in extreme danger."

The poor kid!

There was a guy at my last work who had freaky black eyes. He was into death metal, but I'm not sure that makes him a demon. But it did unsettle you looking at them.

Its like the deviated septum found on cocain addicts, there is just something "wrong" with it, like the brain can't process the information.

Paranormal? I personally don't think so (in the people I have seen at least). Freaky and unnerving? Definately

6th

Wicknight wrote:

There was a guy at my last work who had freaky black eyes.

Does he have eye whites at all? I think there is a difference between the appearance of people with large pupils surrounded by almost black colouring then white and totally black eyes.

I drag this topic up now and again as its bizarre and something I have no experience with.

Zombrex

6th wrote:

Does he have eye whites at all?

If he does they aren't visible when you look at him. But to be honest I've never gone that close up to him, so it would be hard to tell for certain either way. He also wears thick glasses so you don't really notice it until he takes them off.

He was a bit weird alright