68s In the SB

AmarilloFats

I flopped a nice draw and never bet.
1/2NL
I have 250 everybody calls I complete with 6c8c and BB checks.
HAnd1
Flop - Ac 8s 9c ~$12
I check , ok? I don't wanna lead into 5 players with this hand
MP($200) player bets $6, button($100) calls, I call.

Turn is 6h ~$30

I check, MP bets 12 We both call....

River 4c(giving me the flush) pot ~$
I checked again!! MP bets $25
Button folds I call! ok?

fuzzbox

What are you trying to achieve?
A small pot with super hand?

If so - then well done.

ianmc38

This doesn't look like he's been betting a flush draw to me.

Does the villain usually bet draws on the flop and turn? If so check-call. If not, I'm prepared to 3-bet this river, so i lead, hoping he raises me with a made straight, set or two pair(or maybe even TP if he's a complete donkey)

TacT

Why no raise on the turn when you pick up more outs and none on the river when you hit what you were hoping for?

RoundTower

AmarilloFats wrote:

I flopped a nice draw and never bet.
1/2NL
I have 250 everybody calls I complete with 6c8c and BB checks.
HAnd1
Flop - Ac 8s 9c ~$12
I check , ok? I don't wanna lead into 5 players with this hand
MP($200) player bets $6, button($100) calls, I call.

Turn is 6h ~$30

I check, MP bets 12 We both call....

River 4c(giving me the flush) pot ~$
I checked again!! MP bets $25
Button folds I call! ok?

I think checking the flop is OK, though I would prefer to bet. You have to get some more money into the pot on the turn.

AmarilloFats

I've read it's not profitable to build pots OOP position against 5 opponents with a draw.
I pick up bottom 2 on the turn. The only reason I raise Here is if I am prepared to get it all in...I am not prepared to get it all in here.
I see no point in raising his river bet he will only call with a flush.

Are you suggesting with 6 players seeing a 2 tone flop, 3 players seeing the hand til the river one should be prepared to get all in ~120BB with the 68s flush!!??
What hand could MP have that would call my raise on the river that I beat?????? I don't think one exists

I raise without the nuts, But I saw no value in raising at any point in this hand...

RoundTower

AmarilloFats wrote:

I've read it's not profitable to build pots OOP position against 5 opponents with a draw.

Actually this is hugely profitable. You may mean "against one opponent".

5starpool

Why post this hand here then? Did you just want to disagree with the inevitable opinions that you underplayed this hand?

You should have raised the turn as you may already have the best hand at this point. When the flush comes a bet of 25 into a 60 pot isn't very strong, so a reraise by you to about 70 would surely be in order I feel, otherwise why were you calling with a flush draw (when you felt 2 pair was no good) if you do not believe it will be ahead when it hits?

You may be behind to a higher flush on the river, but more often than not you will not be and a straight, set or even top 2 may call your reraise depending on the standard of player, and if you are not called you lose nothing by raising then anyhow.

AmarilloFats

Thanks for replies..
I still can't put villain on a hand that will call a raise on river.
But the turn check call......OK looking at it now I agree maybe a raise is in order..
It's just that if I get called by a made hand it's goona be bigger that mine. and If I get called by a draw it's gonna bigger or as big as mine ie JcTc.
So ok, on the turn Should I raise?

Starpool, good point. But I hope to learn, I'm not looking to win arguments.

fuzzbox

I think you will get called by worse hands if you raise.
And I also think that you made the worst move on the river, by open checking.

Hoping that somebody else will bet for you when the 3rd flush hits is not good poker.

I lead for pot at the flop - sure I might not have the best hand, but its unlikely that anybody else has a great hand. If somebody raises, I might go all-in hoping they fold, or I might call. On the turn, I would have no problem getting all my money in with 2-pair and a flush draw (especially if the pot was biggish).

Once the pot gets big - the money goes in the middle on the river.

AmarilloFats

Hey Fuzz.
Yeah I hear ya, more aggressive than my line. I just felt my line was best at the time. And hence the hand was an interesting hand.
YOUR LINE
So lead the flop. Get 2 callers...
Would you lead again on turn or check raise..?...

What if the river was a blank?

I still like my river play.:p ...If I lead for a 1/2, 3/4 i think he folds his Ace or misses JT and raises with bigger flushes...

fuzzbox

Check raise usually means you would like somebody to fold.
You have 2pair and are probably ahead. Pot it again, and get all in if you get played with.
Open push that river as the pot is nice and juicy by that point.

fuzzbox

Your river play sucks - because you are hoping that he bets his crappy one-pair hand again.

He has two players check/calling, and the most obvious draw in the universe hits, and you expect him to bet?

If you think he will bet his crappy worse hands, then why do you think he will fold those same hands to a raise?

Either the villain is a muppet, or he is not. He cant be a muppet one minute, and then suddenly a highly perceptive player capable of laying down a big hand to a river raise the next.

cardshark202

I prefer to lead the flop and lead this hand all the way probably depending on the action.

Scenario 1: You lead the flop, and are raised and re-raised. Push or fold dependant on reads.

Scenario 2: You lead the flop and are raised in one spot. I would flat-call here and try to get it in when a 6 hits the turn. If the turn is a blank, maybe a check-call would be best.

Scenario 3: You lead the flop and are called in a few spots. I would lead the turn and if called I may just check call/fold the river dependant on reads.


All in all my preferred way to play this hand is to try and push this flop hard because there are very few hands that have you in terrible shape. In this situation, the turn is a dream card because, worst case scenario, you've probably picked up some more outs.