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Europeboy17

It's impossible for a person without connections to win from backing horses. I registered especially to tell you guys this. I'm from a racing background and we have horses at home, my brother is an assistant trainer and my dad is a vet. I'm in Dublin at college and play poker a couple of nights a week, that's why I use Boards.ie, because I read the poker forum.

Racing form is not worth a damn, even trainers and jockeys get it wrong quite often and in all of the run of the mill races the majority of the horses are not trying, they're just out for the run most of the time, hoping to drop it to a nice mark to lay it out for a gamble. The only times that all of the horses in a race are running to their full potential and they're all trying to win is at Cheltenham, Royal Ascot, Aintree and the big festival meetings like that. This is fact lads.

Any of you who spend your time trawling over formbooks for the 2:20 at Southwell on a Tuesday afternoon are just wasting your time, you might as well just stick a pin in them. Even on the occasions when you do manage to win then you just got lucky.

If you're interested in backing a horse with a chance then I'll have a nice one for Cheltenham that I'll post up on the morning of the race. Last year I only had one bet at the festival, £50 e/w on Oulart.

fade2black

A lot of other people had a big bet on Oulart last year and this didn't have much to do with information. We had a helluva lot of other winners too at that festival. I acnkowledge that "info" is useful. but when it comes to good quality races,the percentage call is that the form book is just as informative.

scojones

Europeboy17 wrote:

Any of you who spend your time trawling over formbooks for the 2:20 at Southwell on a Tuesday afternoon are just wasting your time, you might as well just stick a pin in them. Even on the occasions when you do manage to win then you just got lucky.

I couldn't agree more with this comment, Southwell is a farce, as is most of the AW racing. iloveireland seems to have some connections somewhere and is doing pretty well with the AW racing.

As for your other comments, you're entitled to your opinion but I don't agree with you. Yes, having connections is very helpful, but there is alot to be said for studying the form.

finnpark

sjones wrote:

iloveireland seems to have some connections somewhere

I doubt it, I would guess that everyone's selections are based on form

finnpark

Europeboy17 wrote:

It's impossible for a person without connections to win from backing horses.

Well Im up money witht the bookies and have won a lot on Betfair. I have withdraw way more than I ever lost so far and only a handful of my winners are based on inside information.

Europeboy17 wrote:

even trainers and jockeys get it wrong quite often and in all of the run of the mill races the majority of the horses are not trying, they're just out for the run most of the time, hoping to drop it to a nice mark to lay it out for a gamble.

You dont say. :rolleyes: .

Most of what you have said is true, but its a sport. Also, with laying it is much easier noadays to make a living from racing as it is obviouly easier to select losers than winners.

masterK

Ah the memories:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=236125

fr wishy washy

Europeboy17 wrote:

It's impossible for a person without connections to win from backing horses. I registered especially to tell you guys this. I'm from a racing background and we have horses at home, my brother is an assistant trainer and my dad is a vet. I'm in Dublin at college and play poker a couple of nights a week, that's why I use Boards.ie, because I read the poker forum.

Racing form is not worth a damn, even trainers and jockeys get it wrong quite often and in all of the run of the mill races the majority of the horses are not trying, they're just out for the run most of the time, hoping to drop it to a nice mark to lay it out for a gamble. The only times that all of the horses in a race are running to their full potential and they're all trying to win is at Cheltenham, Royal Ascot, Aintree and the big festival meetings like that. This is fact lads.

Any of you who spend your time trawling over formbooks for the 2:20 at Southwell on a Tuesday afternoon are just wasting your time, you might as well just stick a pin in them. Even on the occasions when you do manage to win then you just got lucky.

If you're interested in backing a horse with a chance then I'll have a nice one for Cheltenham that I'll post up on the morning of the race. Last year I only had one bet at the festival, £50 e/w on Oulart.

There's not really much I'd take issue with,we all know that anywhere there's money its faithful companion is skullduggery.

I suppose as was pointed out on another thread in this forum that if it was run strictly "straight" there'd be no betting or bookmakers as you'd get about 80% of the races right and they'd (Bookies) have no business.

masterK

I don't think the racing fixing is the widespread epidemic that a lot of people say it is. Most of the people who I meet who make these claims are people who lose money and are talking through their pocket, quite often there looking for something to blame other than themselves. Most losing gamblers like to think that they lost because they were unlucky or something more sinister, it couldn't possibly be their fault, and that's why they keep coming back.

As for the mentioning the AW racing, a lot of it is just pure rubbish, it is being pushed by the bookmakers to fill the void during the winter months. I don't go near it. Half of the problem with horses running at this sort of level is that they are totally inconsistent, that's why the same horse quite often runs a cracking race followed by a flop, if they ran consistenly well all of the time they wouldn't be racing at this level. That reason more than horses not trying is the more likely explanation for poor runs on the AW, also consider that there is a huge amount of luck in running required in AW racing due to the layout of the tracks.

I personnally usually avoid any type of race whether it be turf, AW or jumps that is Class E or lower, because it's at these levels you get the unreliable sorts who it's impossible to predict how they will go, therefore there are a lot more outsiders winning or horses who on recent form don't look like they have a chance.

Morgans

'inside information' is the most overrated element in horse racing and punting.

Each stable thinks that by running their horse down the field five times throughout the winter in the hope that they get a nice mark for a big race at Cheltenham, that they are going to win. It is as if they were the moral winner of each race they run in becuase they werent trying. This despite the fact that there more than themselves trying the same trick in each racce that they have run in.

When they run at a big festival, there are at least a handful that have been at the same carryon throughout the winter. All think that they will win, only one does. The horse may be trying, he may be 'off' but it doesnt mean that he is good enough. Its easy enough to spot the horses that arent trying - I'd expect Oulart to run his best race this season at the festival again. No Where to hyde another that wasnt going to be run into the ground behind Jazz Messenger last time out.

Knowing what money to follow is an important tool to have when punting. For each gamble that JP C Roche etc pull off, there are a handful that sink without trace.

Agree completely that it is harder to make a profit betting on lower class meetings, but some do it, and at least on the AW (not a fan of it myself) there arent varying ground conditions essentially, to contend with. Stick with what works for you, but I'd much prefer to own a horse like Nine-O, Good Thyne Jack, Allez Petit Luis who go out trying to win each race as they go up the handicap, than a horse like David's lad who after winning the Irish National maybe was allowed to run on its merits twice, in an attempt to mask his handicap mark. Eventually didnt do anything when trying.

scargill

thanks for reminding me MasterK - have some memories of my own from last year too... !

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=236350