Bushy Park Skatpark!!!

skate4evr

Hey, Fianna Fail are going forward with Bushy Park Skatepark! sure its not a great park, its just a big bowl with a couple of ledges around it but its still waaayyy better then nothing! construction is starting sometime in march and it will be complete by june! i know this because i read a little letter that came 2 my house and many houses around the area about it! it also had a picture of an old skool skater on it!

shagman

I think every political party will be claiming they got this any other park built. I'll vote for the first councillor to drop in!

L1011

Bushy Park is in the Corpo area or South Dublin?

Neither is a Fianna Fail controlled council... Both have Fine Gael mayors, and have FG/Lab/Every Whos Not FF councils.

StJimmy

About time this gets the go-ahead.
I was a meeting last year with the directors of this park and they said it would be open by January (two months ago...)
Doesn't look too bad though...accross the road from my school.

Skatedude

hopefully when one gets built it will encorage them to hurry up with the others.
looking forward to a new spot to skate

FX Meister

I think it'll bring terrible riff raff to my neighbourhood. And what about the kids who want to play tennis that are losing their court. And don't get me started on the noise polution it will cause.

BigWilly

Scatpark?


Count me in




BigWillyStyle

L1011

FX Meister wrote:

I think it'll bring terrible riff raff to my neighbourhood. And what about the kids who want to play tennis that are losing their court. And don't get me started on the noise polution it will cause.

Noise pollution? "riff raff"? Kids who actually play tennis on a council court?

Since when has Bushy Park been in Dublin 4? Theres an extra 10 digits on that postcode...

skate4evr

FX Meister wrote:

I think it'll bring terrible riff raff to my neighbourhood. And what about the kids who want to play tennis that are losing their court. And don't get me started on the noise polution it will cause.

theres still like 10 other tennis courts for them to use, i was up there pretty much every day last summe and never once did i see more then 6 courts being used at once! its a concrete park so it wont be noisy at all, concrete absorbs sound. it's basically just a bowl to skate in and the bowl is curved up, that means it will just send all noise up and wont affect much around it. and as for riff raff... what does that even mean? you're just looking at stereotypes... nothing bad's gonna come of the park, and we need somewhere to skate! Is it not better that we skate somewhere we we're actually allowed to do it than somewhere that we're just gonna get thrown out of ? people go on about how childhood obesity is an uprising threat, so why do people object to another thing that could help get rid of it? the park's not only yours, its public and we're all entitled to use it! why should only people who like tennis be able to use it?

FX Meister

Excellant. I'll bring the kids along to play bowl tennis so.
And it's a fact that any area that has a skatepark has seen a dramatic rise in graffiti as a result.

L1011

FX Meister wrote:

And it's a fact that any area that has a skatepark has seen a dramatic rise in graffiti as a result.

I'd like to see you even attempt to prove that

FX Meister

I don't need to prove it. I have seen it myself. Ramp crap in Drumcondra is a prime example.

L1011

FX Meister wrote:

I don't need to prove it. I have seen it myself. Ramp crap in Drumcondra is a prime example.

Wonderful example of NIMBYism, makes claims and is entirely unable to back them up with fact. As is the case in 90% of cases where people protest about something that they either don't or don't want to understand; or for some odd reason fear. Are you scared about the concept of young people who might be wearing hoodies bringing down property prices or something?

skate4evr

yeah okay ramp n rail in drumcondra has alot of graffitti in its grounds! but its completly allowed by the owner, the have graffiti art competions there! just cuz u dont appreciate art doesnt mean u have 2 go whining about it

FX Meister

Sorry dude, I was talking about grafiti not art. And I didn't know the owners could give permission to tag other shops and public property in the vacinity

skate4evr

Well guess what? Skateboarding really has nothing to do with grafitti! You seem like a predjudice moan! "oh my god! theres some people skateboarding! they MUST have sprat paint with them and be tagging everywhere! oh no! its not actually doing anything to me personally but i dont like it anyway!!! waa!!!"

FX Meister

What in the name of god is sprat paint? Young kids are easily influenced, so while they pick up skateboarding because it's cool they will do the same when their mates start to do crappy tags everwhere. So when some spa paints his name all over the from of my business and I have to pay to have it removed that doesn't do anything to me personally. Think about that one4evr. Or at least until you grow up a little

shagman

Coincidentally Bushy park was one of the first places in Dublin I saw a Graffiti peice in the early 80's. Allthough a rather poor piece at least it was a start. Since that first wave graff in Ireland has come on leaps and bounds with some of the worlds top writers coming to Ireland for a yearly graffiti art festival in Drogheda.There has allways been links between skateboarding and graffiti as both reappropriate the urban wastelands for artistic expression.I think most skaters would agree they have far more in common with graff artists than with a lot of so called "extreme sports athletes".
If someone gets into graffiti through skateboarding I think thats a good thing maybe they will find they are a talented artist.
Crap tags piss graffiti artists off too, they are lazy art and give them a bad name, much in the same way as skaters are frustrated at being lumped in with "hey I'm extreme to the max" bonehead jocks.
Spending the time perfecting your skills in a blackbook and bringing works of art to the drab mundanity of inner city architecture is to be applauded.

It all comes down to whether you believe doing art is more important than doing business.
Thats a question there will allways be a left / right divide on.

shagman

FX Meister wrote:

Sorry dude, I was talking about grafiti not art. And I didn't know the owners could give permission to tag other shops and public property in the vacinity

So you're anti graffiti eh......funny that not the impression I get from reading some of your other posts......
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=199796&page=3

StJimmy

FX Meister wrote:

Young kids are easily influenced, so while they pick up skateboarding because it's cool they will do the same when their mates start to do crappy tags everwhere. So when some spa paints his name all over the from of my business and I have to pay to have it removed that doesn't do anything to me personally.

Oh deary me.

f

FX Meister wrote:

I don't need to prove it. I have seen it myself. Ramp crap in Drumcondra is a prime example.

first of all this person doesnt have a clue wat he/shes talkin about. ramp and rail is 2 stories and the noise comes from the second story. the park will be made of concrete r+r is made from wood more noise. there are no doubt hundreds of public tennis courts through out the are. you can bring ur kids down to my estate where weve go 2 that are rarely used, in an estate with more skaters than tennis players. tell me how this is fair. that there are thousands of football, gaelic, rugby, tennis, running tracks, and other pitches and 2 skateparks in dublin, neither of them being public.

you cant deny that skateboarding is a major sport in ireland now with a couple of tousand skaters at different levels. these people(bladers and bx aswell) need facilities.

skate4evr

f wrote:

first of all this person doesnt have a clue wat he/shes talkin about. ramp and rail is 2 stories and the noise comes from the second story. the park will be made of concrete r+r is made from wood more noise. there are no doubt hundreds of public tennis courts through out the are. you can bring ur kids down to my estate where weve go 2 that are rarely used, in an estate with more skaters than tennis players. tell me how this is fair. that there are thousands of football, gaelic, rugby, tennis, running tracks, and other pitches and 2 skateparks in dublin, neither of them being public.

you cant deny that skateboarding is a major sport in ireland now with a couple of tousand skaters at different levels. these people(bladers and bx aswell) need facilities.

Hear hear! Stick it to em!

FX Meister

shagman wrote:

So you're anti graffiti eh......funny thats not the impression I get from reading some of your other posts......
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=199796&page=3

Quiet down you. You're blowing my cover. I'm a born again anti-graffitist.

h-street23

I thought yer man, FX was being being drol at first. Then I realised he's just a contentious goit.


NIMBY,well why can't we skate when drinking to abandon is enshrined in the ****ing Irish constitution? I think all the residents of Greystones, where I live would be happier with a local skate park, rather than more working class louts ganging up and causing mayhem around the leafy 'burbs.


Most skaters are ok. Ireland is decidedly not ok.Bleh, I'll just go on a rant if I stay online any longer.

asto

he's a stuborn retard!! yeah FX you heard me!

wideangle

shagman wrote:

So you're anti graffiti eh......funny that not the impression I get from reading some of your other posts......
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=199796&page=3

You caught him red handed there Shagman.:eek:

68 lost souls

MYOB wrote:

Noise pollution? "riff raff"? Kids who actually play tennis on a council court?

Since when has Bushy Park been in Dublin 4? Theres an extra 10 digits on that postcode...

Dude I think youll find its an extra 2 bushy park is d6w. Personally I cant wait for this, its a 3 minute walk from my house. Been waiting for years, pity Ill be finished school before its finished, I had planned on hitting it at lunch.

zippo22

FX Meister wrote:

Excellant. I'll bring the kids along to play bowl tennis so.
And it's a fact that any area that has a skatepark has seen a dramatic rise in graffiti as a result.

They're adding a skate park to the town park behind my house here in Wexford shortly. The first moron that that vandalises my wall with his/her spray paint can expect to get a pot of paint thrown in their face. Followed up by their own house being daubed. Graffiti artists my arse. They're just vandals and nothing else.

L1011

68 lost souls wrote:

Dude I think youll find its an extra 2 bushy park is d6w. Personally I cant wait for this, its a 3 minute walk from my house. Been waiting for years, pity Ill be finished school before its finished, I had planned on hitting it at lunch.

Well, the councils adress for Bushy Park is D14, and my knowledge of Dublin post codes ends at the map that comes with the phonebook

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

zippo22 wrote:

They're adding a skate park to the town park behind my house here in Wexford shortly. The first moron that that vandalises my wall with his/her spray paint can expect to get a pot of paint thrown in their face. Followed up by their own house being daubed. Graffiti artists my arse. They're just vandals and nothing else.

ALL graffiti artists are vandals...? Isn't that a bit like say that ALL muslims are terrorists? Or ALL Irish are alcoholics?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

MYOB wrote:

Well, the councils adress for Bushy Park is D14, and my knowledge of Dublin post codes ends at the map that comes with the phonebook

Dublin 6w... The Dodder is the border, for want of a better word

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

ALL graffiti artists are vandals...? Isn't that a bit like say that ALL muslims are terrorists? Or ALL Irish are alcoholics?

Don't be so childish !

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I know plenty of people who call themselves graffiti artists and do not deface public property. They either paint areas where it's welcome such as skateparks, youth clubs or bars (yes, bars: there's one called Techeles in Berlin - I'll post the photos if you think I'm joking) or paint onto giant sheets, which are then either hung on indoor walls or framed. There are two pieces of graffitti inspired art at the Kilmacud Luas Station. Again, photos can be provided upon request

There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

May I recommend you do a little reseach before you generalise in future. How does NOT generalising and keeping an open mind make me childish?

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

I know plenty of people who call themselves graffiti artists and do not deface public property. They either paint areas where it's welcome such as skateparks, youth clubs or bars (yes, bars: there's one called Techeles in Berlin - I'll post the photos if you think I'm joking) or paint onto giant sheets, which are then either hung on indoor walls or framed. There are two pieces of graffitti inspired art at the Kilmacud Luas Station. Again, photos can be provided upon request

There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

May I recommend you do a little reseach before you generalise in future. How does NOT generalising and keeping an open mind make me childish?

I'll tell you why you were being childish. First of all I was referring to morons who go about spraying their paint uninvited on both public and private property. You were being childish and pedantic because you were responding to my post and KNEW who and WHAT I was referring to. You haven't the open mind you would have us think you have. Don't bother sending me any photos unless you have any of YOUR home and property spray painted by "artists".
(By the way, who made you the arbiter of what Art is ? Is it only art if YOU approve of the colour and shape of a painting ?. "And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?" you say. That's all music and theatre , literature and poetry dismissed by you then.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

zippo22 wrote:

I'll tell you why you were being childish. First of all I was referring to morons who go about spraying their paint uninvited on both public and private property. You were being childish and pedantic because you were responding to my post and KNEW who and WHAT I was referring to. You haven't the open mind you would have us think you have. Don't bother sending me any photos unless you have any of YOUR home and property spray painted by "artists".
(By the way, who made you the arbiter of what Art is ? Is it only art if YOU approve of the colour and shape of a painting ?. "And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?" you say. That's all music and theatre , literature and poetry dismissed by you then.

Fristly, my apologies if I misunderstood you. But condiering you wrote:

Graffiti artists my arse. They're just vandals and nothing else

.

in this thread, and this:

Any scum I catch taggin' my property or the property of my neighbours will SUFFER for their "art" !

here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=274377&page=2

i think you've made your point very clear.

As regards art, of course art is a lot more than just visual communication, but in terms of this discussion, I was referring to just the visual aspects.

I am no arbiter of art, and never claimed to be. I merely state that graffiti artists use shape form and colour as a from of expression which is factually correct. Where did I imply that it requires my approval?

zippo22

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

......

There is a big difference between someone who writes 'Joe Woxz Here' or 'Sid 4 Emma' on a bus shelter and someone who uses colour, shape and graphic form to create an personalised image. And what is art if it is not personalisation of a visual form?

There is NO difference between somebody that writes " Joe woz here " and somebody who sprays public or private property (however good their draughtsmanship) without authority. They are all vandals. You say you know a lot of graffiti artists well why not commission them to daub your home. And treat your neighbours as well. Those graffiti merchants are scum who coarsen and degrade every neighbourhood they enter. All to satisfy their over inflated egos.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

...which brings us full circle! You say ALL graffiti artists are vandals, which is generalisation, which is the same thing as saying, for example, ALL Irish drinkers are acloholics ALL muslims are terrorists!!

Surely the chidish one is the one who throws his toys out of the pram at everyone in ignorance, with conplete disregard for who he hits or misses?

zippo22

zippo22 wrote:

There is NO difference between somebody that writes " Joe woz here " and somebody who sprays public or private property (however good their draughtsmanship) without authority. They are all vandals. You say you know a lot of graffiti artists well why not commission them to daub your home. And treat your neighbours as well. Those graffiti merchants are scum who coarsen and degrade every neighbourhood they enter. All to satisfy their over inflated egos.

Have another look. Anybody who sprays paint on public or private property WITHOUT AUTHORITY !. Explain to me what "artistic right" these scum have to vandalise my property or public property whenever they choose . Answer me this, (A) Is there any graffiti daubed on your home ?
(B) If yes, did you request it and did you get to choose what's
there?
(c) If no, why not and are you planning on some in the near future ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

zippo22 wrote:

Have another look. Anybody who sprays paint on public or private property WITHOUT AUTHORITY !. Explain to me what "artistic right" these scum have to vandalise my property or public property whenever they choose . Answer me this, (A) Is there any graffiti daubed on your home ?
(B) If yes, did you request it and did you get to choose what's
there?
(c) If no, why not and are you planning on some in the near future ?

Fair enough, I misread - but do you accept that WITH authortiy (as per my initial statement) it's not vandalism? And, considering the effort and expressiveness that goes into it, artisic - even though you may not like it (which is your right)?

I'm not talking about your situation. Your situation sounds like out and out vandalism and I'm not disputing that. What I am disputing is you turning around and blaming EVERYONE and claiming there's no different.

In answer to your questions
1) No.
2) Not releveant. But if I did, I'd know the difference between a vandal and an artist. And, should I persue the matter, would hold the guilty party responsible, NOT everyone who's ever picked up a spray can.
3) Would love to have some done, but don't own the property.

Chopperdog

Lads, this Graffiti argument is going on over in After Hours.
It is worth a read if for nothing else to see that snivelling ponce FX totally two face himself with an arguement here condemning it and applauding it on the other forum.
God help him, the poor gob****e doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow and is more to be pitied than talked about.....

skate4evr

Here, have any of you been to Drogheda? Near the skateshop "Skatewell" there, theirs this bridge, and you shold see the mural underneath it! it's amazing! The council actually payed grafitti artists to do it! Here, if any of you get the chance, you should seriosuly go see it! It's really impressive

FX Meister

skate4evr wrote:

Here, have any of you been to Drogheda? Near the skateshop "Skatewell" there, theirs this bridge, and you shold see the mural underneath it! it's amazing! The council actually payed grafitti artists to do it! Here, if any of you get the chance, you should seriosuly go see it! It's really impressive

No the council didn't pay them to do it. They get a small grant from the Arts Council and they get sponsorship from various companies. Coca Cola and Carhart for example.

FX Meister

Chopperdog wrote:

Lads, this Graffiti argument is going on over in After Hours.
It is worth a read if for nothing else to see that snivelling ponce FX totally two face himself with an arguement here condemning it and applauding it on the other forum.
God help him, the poor gob****e doesn't seem to know his arse from his elbow and is more to be pitied than talked about.....

No need to resort to name calling dude, it just bringing your ignorance to the surface for us all to see. I never applauded graffiti in the other forum. You obviously didn't read my posts very well. Perhaps you just skimmed over the thread and just took in some general points and names along the way and based you misinformed opinion on that.

FX Meister

wideangle wrote:

You caught him red handed there Shagman.:eek:

Maybe point the finger at Shagman who used to make a living from these vandals and their work. And don't give me any of that legal walls crap. It's a similar argument gun dealers use when they sell sub machine guns.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FX Meister wrote:

And don't give me any of that legal walls crap. It's a similar argument gun dealers use when they sell sub machine guns.

Care to clarify?

And I refer you to post no. 33 above as regards 'that legal walls crap'. same offer of photographic evidence on offer.

skate4evr

still though, the mural under that bridge is pretty damn cool!

FX Meister

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Care to clarify?

And I refer you to post no. 33 above as regards 'that legal walls crap'. same offer of photographic evidence on offer.

Shagman sold paint to young kids with the full knowledge that they were using them to vandalise the city. He even put the pictures of it on display in his shop.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I see..... well, with no idea of who shagman is or what he was doing/intening to do, I can't really comment.

HusseinSarhan

shagman wrote:

bringing works of art to the drab mundanity of inner city architecture is to be applauded.

Right:

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/1067/11379/t/47649-Architecture-0.jpg
http://www.architecture.com/imageLibrary/jpeg330/5884.jpg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~billybrady/photos/dub-lamps/gaiety-lamp.jpg
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/southcity/college_green/images/bankofireland_east_portico_lge.jpg
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/seminars/IrishStudies/Bank_of_Ireland.jpg
http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/buildings/gmb3.jpg
http://rosie.bloged.co.uk/albums/dublin/27_Christ_Church_Dublin.jpg
http://www.stadtbus2.de/magazin/irland/be_busaras_1.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/09/12/MillenniumWing_Ireland3.jpg
http://www.xcommunications.ie/images/building.jpg
http://www.lightdrawing.com/images/travel/Ireland/large/Custom_House_full_moon.jpg
http://www.visithotels.com/admin/pictures/FFFFDA48-9E03-4CEE-B48A-633684E3B553.jpg
http://www.conscanlon.com/res/DUBLIN7a.jpg
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/dublin%20castle%201.JPG
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/pub%20in%20dublin.JPG
http://www.interconnection-europe.com/photolarge/dublin/dublin4.jpg
http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrations/dublin6.gif

Ireland has a great capital architecturaly.

Anyway, architecture is an artform. By defacing it you are in some way altering the work of the architect. It's like tagging an oil painting. Without prior permission it's selfish. Being artists themselves, graffiti artists should realise this. What does it feel like when someone covers up something that you deliberated and slaved over?

There are ugly areas of Dublin city too, but what right does an individual have to tag a public area? Does it really make a difference if the quality is high or low if it is criminal anyway? It is illegal, and of course it should remain so. Why should we make it legal for certain people to deface the art of others?

Personally I think some graffiti is great, but 99% of it is clichéd hack that is just people mimicing others. still, this makes no real odds and can apply to many art forms! Having areas set aside for it is probably the best solution; the only reasonable solution.

I have seen some historically important architecture tagged recently. It doesn't matter how good it is, it still detracts from it, and deteriorates what we have left.

shagman

As this thread has gone way off topic I thought I'd start a new thread here...http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=51119996#post51119996

Can we get back to the topic bushy park skatepark.
I may have an update on the situation shortly.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

HusseinSarhan wrote:

Right:

http://img1.travelblog.org/Photos/1067/11379/t/47649-Architecture-0.jpg
http://www.architecture.com/imageLibrary/jpeg330/5884.jpg
http://homepage.eircom.net/~billybrady/photos/dub-lamps/gaiety-lamp.jpg
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/southcity/college_green/images/bankofireland_east_portico_lge.jpg
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/seminars/IrishStudies/Bank_of_Ireland.jpg
http://www.tcd.ie/Maps/buildings/gmb3.jpg
http://rosie.bloged.co.uk/albums/dublin/27_Christ_Church_Dublin.jpg
http://www.stadtbus2.de/magazin/irland/be_busaras_1.jpg
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/09/12/MillenniumWing_Ireland3.jpg
http://www.xcommunications.ie/images/building.jpg
http://www.lightdrawing.com/images/travel/Ireland/large/Custom_House_full_moon.jpg
http://www.visithotels.com/admin/pictures/FFFFDA48-9E03-4CEE-B48A-633684E3B553.jpg
http://www.conscanlon.com/res/DUBLIN7a.jpg
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/dublin%20castle%201.JPG
http://asweb.unco.edu/depts/english/2003%20Trip/_vti_cnf/images/pub%20in%20dublin.JPG
http://www.interconnection-europe.com/photolarge/dublin/dublin4.jpg
http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrations/dublin6.gif

Ireland has a great capital architecturaly.

Anyway, architecture is an artform. By defacing it you are in some way altering the work of the architect. It's like tagging an oil painting. Without prior permission it's selfish. Being artists themselves, graffiti artists should realise this. What does it feel like when someone covers up something that you deliberated and slaved over?

There are ugly areas of Dublin city too, but what right does an individual have to tag a public area? Does it really make a difference if the quality is high or low if it is criminal anyway? It is illegal, and of course it should remain so. Why should we make it legal for certain people to deface the art of others?

Personally I think some graffiti is great, but 99% of it is clichéd hack that is just people mimicing others. still, this makes no real odds and can apply to many art forms! Having areas set aside for it is probably the best solution; the only reasonable solution.

I have seen some historically important architecture tagged recently. It doesn't matter how good it is, it still detracts from it, and deteriorates what we have left.

Replied to on new thread.

Getting back on track, is it possibly to take photographs at these skateparks? I'm into photography and took some fantastic shots of skateboards in Denamrk, which unfortunately got deleted when my PC crashed.