MTT hand

ntlbell

Live MTT blinds are 300/600

BB is a loose player K-Rag A-rag merchant.

SB 24k

BB has you covered, about 26k

Your in the SB with 10 10 and it's folded around to you.

You make it 2400 to go, BB sits on it for awhile and eventually calls.

Flop comes

A 5 9 rainbow.

What's your plan for the rest of the hand?

RotalicaV

You should really check, but id probably stick in a big bet hoping he'd fold. If he calls quickly and i didn't catch anything i'd be looking to check/fold. I doubt he'd try bluff after you've raised it pre-flop and bet on the flop.

Gholimoli

ntlbell wrote:

Live MTT blinds are 300/600

BB is a loose player K-Rag A-rag merchant.

SB 24k

BB has you covered, about 26k

Your in the SB with 10 10 and it's folded around to you.

You make it 2400 to go, BB sits on it for awhile and eventually calls.

Flop comes

A 5 9 rainbow.

What's your plan for the rest of the hand?

this depends on whether villain is a calling staion or not.i know you said he is loose but that doesnt mean he cant lay down top pair weak kicker.
is he the sort of player that could lay down a bad A.
if yes then bet strongly on flop and turn if rag.
also would he let you know if he had an A.for example if you check would bet an A ?would he make a probe bet if you checked?
you can check and check raise him if he bets and his bet is weak.or lead the turn making it look like you checked the flop hoping he would bluff.
it really depends what you know about villain's betting habits.

however standard play here would be to lead the flop for 2/3 pot.

ntlbell

Gholimoli wrote:

this depends on whether villain is a calling staion or not.i know you said he is loose but that doesnt mean he cant lay down top pair weak kicker.
is he the sort of player that could lay down a bad A.
if yes then bet strongly on flop and turn if rag.
also would he let you know if he had an A.for example if you check would bet an A ?would he make a probe bet if you checked?
you can check and check raise him if he bets and his bet is weak.or lead the turn making it look like you checked the flop hoping he would bluff.
it really depends what you know about villain's betting habits.

however standard play here would be to lead the flop for 2/3 pot.

I haven't been playing with him long enough to answer all these questions.

He wouldn't exactly be a calling station, I've seen him pull a few moves on players tho, a particularly brave one with 72o and also made a few loose calls with k-rag/A-rag pre-flop that hit the board hard.

So I don't know a whole lot about him.

Gholimoli

ntlbell wrote:

I haven't been playing with him long enough to answer all these questions.

He wouldn't exactly be a calling station, I've seen him pull a few moves on players tho, a particularly brave one with 72o and also made a few loose calls with k-rag/A-rag pre-flop that hit the board hard.

So I don't know a whole lot about him.

i would go with a bet 2/3 in that case and see what he does.seen as you have raised pre-flop its unlikely to call you with out an A.

ntlbell

Gholimoli wrote:

i would go with a bet 2/3 in that case and see what he does.seen as you have raised pre-flop its unlikely to call you with out an A.

Right, you check the flop, he bets out 3k

what now?

fuzzbox

ntlbell wrote:

Right, you check the flop, he bets out 3k

what now?

Now you have to fold.

*you* should have bet 3k

pppspecial

u could lead outr 2k bet to see where u are if he calls he could be on an ace weak kicker depends on how long it takes him to make his move. look if he had an ace this kind off player will raise to steal blinds. i think ur very good at this point.thats my read on it. welly into him on turn providing a low card comes maybe pot sized bet, u will know where u are then.

RoundTower

RotalicaV wrote:

id probably stick in a big bet hoping he'd fold. If he calls quickly and i didn't catch anything i'd be looking to check/fold. I doubt he'd try bluff after you've raised it pre-flop and bet on the flop.

standard for me.

DocO

What was his username?
Its a terrible flop for you against an A rag merchant, so you have to think your behind to him - leading out with a feeder bet against a player cpable of moves will only be re-raised, so i think you either check fold, or show strength. by showing strength he either lets his weak ace go (presuming he hasnt hit his kicker) or he re-raises u all in (depenging again on the player)

What did you do?

Hectorjelly

Out of position you have to bet this

Hectorjelly

In my experience people who call a preflop raise with Ax dont tend to fold on Ace high boards

DocO

I agree that out of position the norm would be to bet, otherwise you have no information from him, and are handing the hand over to him to take off you.
but as you said HJ he is very unlikely to fold to a A high board, and the information NTL gave us is that he is a A rag merchant, i dont like giving this hand up, but i also feel that a bet here (given the information we have) is wasted chips in this situation.Very unfortunate flop, perhaps he has KQ and a bet wins it? but im not sure given information etc

ntlbell

Hectorjelly wrote:

In my experience people who call a preflop raise with Ax dont tend to fold on Ace high boards

Yeah true, The reason I checked, I was pretty sure he was going to come out with a bet with any two, so I planned for a check-raise, I over estimated him slighty in thinking he'd fold a weakish A

I Check-raised all-in for about 22k he sat on it for a good five minutes, and moaned about his kicker problems, then eventually he called with A8o

RoundTower

ntlbell wrote:

Yeah true, The reason I checked, I was pretty sure he was going to come out with a bet with any two, so I planned for a check-raise, I over estimated him slighty in thinking he'd fold a weakish A

I Check-raised all-in for about 22k he sat on it for a good five minutes, and moaned about his kicker problems, then eventually he called with A8o

I think this is terrible play. You can't expect him to call with a worse hand and there are no draws possible. Surely you're not trying to bluff a player you describe as "a loose player K-Rag A-rag merchant"?

Why did you think he would bet here with any two?

ntlbell

RoundTower wrote:

I think this is terrible play. You can't expect him to call with a worse hand and there are no draws possible. Surely you're not trying to bluff a player you describe as "a loose player K-Rag A-rag merchant"?

Why did you think he would bet here with any two?

Loose enough to call a raise pre-flop with a/k-rag, I didn't think he was loose enough to call of his stack with a raggy A

It seemed to be standard for him, any check into him was bet out, I just re- read the OP I thought I added in I've recently seen him make a very brave move with 72o and getting the table going, he seemed to have some idea of what he was at.

I don't want him to call obviously,

Norwich Fan Rob

i like to know a player well b4 i can give them credit to put top pair down.
Surely if this guy was v loose, u can get a better chance to trap him and take his stack, when u are confident u are ahead. These are definetely not the type of players to try and bluff.

The play here is to bet near enough the pot, he wont play back without an ace or a set, and u can then safely fold knowing u were beat.

ntlbell

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

i like to know a player well b4 i can give them credit to put top pair down.
Surely if this guy was v loose, u can get a better chance to trap him and take his stack, when u are confident u are ahead. These are definetely not the type of players to try and bluff.

The play here is to bet near enough the pot, he wont play back without an ace or a set, and u can then safely fold knowing u were beat.

Indeed, but at most live MTT's your not at a table long enough, unless you played with him before that you can be 100% sure.

What topped it off was after he called he said "I put you on AQ/AK" wtf?