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MrPillowTalk

TcTh on button, $5/10nl 6 handed cash,
one mp limper (weak passive),
cutoff bets out for 35 (good TAG).
I call ( is this a mistake? I call as if I raise and am called I basically have to pot the flop or quit the hand)

mp limper calls,
3 handed to a flop we all have about 650 back.

flop 7h 6h 2x

mp check,
cutoff bets 65.
I call (as I write this I am wincing, I know it should be a raise but there is a less clear cut decision to come.)
mp calls
3 handed to a turn,

turn 4h

mp checks,
cutoff checks,
I check

river 5x

mp checks
cutoff bets 100
I ?

willis

The cutoff probably has 2 hearts and wants to get paid or is putting out a stopper bet on the river with something like QQ/JJ imo. I think its a must laydown, maybe a reraise on the flop is best as u said, and the flat call preflop is ok imo

fuzzbox

wow - nice job .

I fold here, but I sure as hell dont get there like this .

Reraising preflop and calling are both good teams. My default is reraise - I have position and a great hand, and I want to be heads-up. But I also call here sometimes. Its the limper dude that I want out - he is spoiling the fun and a reraise will often get rid of him.

Raising flop is probably best, you dont want to go multi-way, and you wouldnt mind ending it now, on a draw-heavy, board.

Turn check is fine, and I fold the river, I cant think of a hand that I beat that bets here. Most likely to see 88 or a flush.

Gholimoli

fuzzbox wrote:

wow - nice job .

I fold here, but I sure as hell dont get there like this .

Reraising preflop and calling are both good teams. My default is reraise - I have position and a great hand, and I want to be heads-up. But I also call here sometimes. Its the limper dude that I want out - he is spoiling the fun and a reraise will often get rid of him.

Raising flop is probably best, you dont want to go multi-way, and you wouldnt mind ending it now, on a draw-heavy, board.

Turn check is fine, and I fold the river, I cant think of a hand that I beat that bets here. Most likely to see 88 or a flush.

agree with this.
i feel the pot could have been taken from him(unless he had the flush) had you played it different.
i prefer a reraise preflop as it gives you so much possiblity for playing the hand post-flop.you can get HU with him this way and see what he does on the flop.

RoundTower

I think calling preflop is fine, flop is a situation I often seem to get wrong. The bet on the river is small, a good player has bet 100 into a 300-odd pot. This really looks like a value bet from something like 88. I really don't see him playing AK this way, though I suppose it is possible. So folding good, why not raise?

Do you think you can make this guy fold? I know checking the turn doesn't help you represent a monster here. But surely he will fold an overpair, a set, a straight, maybe even a baby flush if you push. If you make him fold a better hand 60% of the time pushing wins money. I discount the MP guy -- how often can he check the turn and check the river with a hand that will call a bet and a push here?

Plus if you get called this is really good for your table image. This isn't a desperation bluff on the river, this makes you look like you really can't ever let go of an overpair.

MrPillowTalk

I agree with most of what was said.

I folded because the board was just too scary but I was close to a call because I just couldnt put the cutoff on any hand that would check the turn that is beating me except ak or aq hearts.

mp called,
mp had a bare 7 and cutoff had AhKc, and the pair of sevens took it.

I made this one so much harder than it had to be, sigh.

Shortstack

I presume this is Tribeca as I saw you on there last night.

I don't think the call preflop was that bad as you had position in the hand but there are a lot of flops that TT doesn't like even in position especially in a 3 way pot.

If it is just TAG and no limper I call most times depending on who is in BB. There are a loy of higher level players who will call from BB for this amount with any two and I really want to play this heads up.

With a limper or a known rag caller in the blinds I raise preflop to 85. If I take it down there and then all well and good. If not I can usually be right in saying there is a good chance they are stonger than me but I am representing more than I have. This also gives me more credibility should I decide to make a move on flop.

With the flop in question I raise the flop bet to 165 and probably give up if called unless my hand improves.

If I had got to river like yourself I call most Tribeca players shorthanded. More than 1 in 3 times you will be right, as you will see when you play there more.

fuzzbox

RoundTower wrote:

So folding good, why not raise?

Because we are not suicidal - villain is betting into 2 players on a 4-straight and 3-flush board

Do you think you can make this guy fold? I know checking the turn doesn't help you represent a monster here. But surely he will fold an overpair, a set, a straight, maybe even a baby flush if you push. If you make him fold a better hand 60% of the time pushing wins money. I discount the MP guy -- how often can he check the turn and check the river with a hand that will call a bet and a push here?

You are crazy.

Plus if you get called this is really good for your table image. This isn't a desperation bluff on the river, this makes you look like you really can't ever let go of an overpair.

Bank balance is far more important than table image ... honest.

fuzzbox

MrPillowTalk wrote:

I agree with most of what was said.

I folded because the board was just too scary but I was close to a call because I just couldnt put the cutoff on any hand that would check the turn that is beating me except ak or aq hearts.

mp called,
mp had a bare 7 and cutoff had AhKc, and the pair of sevens took it.

I made this one so much harder than it had to be, sigh.

Oh my ... I hope you took copious notes.

MrPillowTalk

fuzzbox wrote:

Oh my ... I hope you took copious notes.

lol, yes as Mike said play is surprisingly loose at 5/10 on tribeca.

on a four flush board last night I value bet my ace flush for half the pot in a three way pot hoping to get called by a k, q, or j flush, one of the players raises my 50 to 150 (not terrible play considering he will get me to fold anything but the nuts) but then last to act goes all in for 240 on top. At that point Im scratching my head looking at the board trying to spot any str8 flush possibillities, theres none so I flat call trying to get the original raiser to call as well.

He folds and then the guy who goes all in turns up a set of 8's ???? I mean come on four flush board and the action goes bet raise surely any player at 5/10 should be capable of throwing a set in the mucker here, lol.

Then the other guy in the chat box goes "i folded the Kc" and two others at the table tell him nf = nice fold, can someone explain how thats a nice fold? its just about as straightforward a fold as you can get.