Looking for advice on website

Boru.

Hi guys,

I'm about to launch my new website to the public and want your opinion first. Its martial arts / RB based so if anyone will be able to comment on how it appears I'd love feedback.

I'm also especially keen on your opinons of the ebook I wrote. Let me know if you like, if the subject even intrests you. Its called Use of Force - the law and self defence. You can read about it in the downloads seciton.

You'll find it at www.self-defence-ireland.com

Looking forward to your comments.

yomchi

Site looks well, first page is probably a bit too texty, people won't read it if they have to trawl through endless script.

"Jim Wagner teaches people how to survive weapons of mass destruction"

How? ... Here's a goddam nuke :eek: ...run like F***

yomchi

oh good luck with the site!!

pma-ire

Boru. wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm about to launch my new website to the public and want your opinion first. Its martial arts / RB based so if anyone will be able to comment on how it appears I'd love feedback.

I'm also especially keen on your opinons of the ebook I wrote. Let me know if you like, if the subject even intrests you. Its called Use of Force - the law and self defence. You can read about it in the downloads seciton.

You'll find it at www.self-defence-ireland.com

Looking forward to your comments.

Loads and Loads of writing!!

Good luck with it man!

MaxBax

your website looks like it's written by someone that likes to take advantage of paranoid, scared middle aged people.

Clive

The main banner is much too big.
There is far too much text, especially with different sizes, colours and weighting - this leads to the overall effect of an electronic version of one of those two page ads for the next "ultimate secret of streetfighting" (or some such) from a martial arts magazine.
The links at the top (apart from being too wide IMO) clutter the whole feel and make navigation difficult - maybe incorporate them into the banner with an image map, and make it clear that they are the courses on offer, rather than just general links.
I'd put the search function at the bottom of the navigation bar rather than the top and bring some uniformity to that section - Section Links is just title, but Contact Us is a link that looks exactly the same.
Finally I'd make the borders between the columns darker to enhance readability.

All just my opinion of course! Best of luck with it.

yomchi

I don't like the whole scare tactics on the site, statistics and percentages about rapre etc. People aren't interested, its a straight forward marketing ploy - IMO anyway.
You'd think after 14 years of TMA as you state, you'd find some method of training as realistically as possible to help with street situations - you instructors should be all round up and put on the Jeanie Johnston and banished for good.
It takes alot more than days to learn how to defend yourself. I hate the american marketing influence on the whole subject of SD - I suppose you get fries with that?

Millionaire

Good site. I see you are following the "rules" of internet marketing, re the layout, tell the story, the headlines etc. (though for better success, should n't your intro page be a single page, with links to the main site...apparently this get more business etc)

good luck with the courses.

I sort of have gone against this sort course format, that seems rampant in ireland. I taught one very successfuly myself, and taught for others too.
there is also a percentage of students who will never "get it" , maybe cannot do the techniques. and I realised if I promise to taeach someone Sd skills in a short time, and despite my best efforts they cannot do it, then its not much good. that is why I have changed my opinions on this.

If I ever teach again, its going to be RBSD, very hard training, backed up with compulasory Muay Thai, and hard sparring. Probably will have few students, but if they can get through what I have in mind, then I can look ,myself in the mirror and I will know they are the real deal!

Baggio...

Well... as websites goes, it's pretty staightforward. It's pretty clrear to navigate, which is always good. So it functions relitively well.
Although the design itself is fairly basic, and I think the alignment in certain areas could have been better, plus the banner at the top is too big and bold. I think I also would have used graphics for the buttons as oposed to dynamic text. (sorry, I'm very anal - as I'm pro. Graphic Designer for a living). Might also be nice to add some more design elements to lift the text a bit, as there is so much.

As some of the lads have already stated WAY too much text. I personally only read a paragraph or two, then I had to stop. When designing a website "less is more on the text side". Let people read a bit then if they want to read on - that's fine, but give them an option with a clickable button or something like that.

Although, website aside. I personally cannot agree with the statement made on the main Banner. "REAL SELF DEFENCE TAKES DAYS NOT YEARS!"

But I hope everything works out well for you. Baggio...

Boru.

Great comments, thanks guys. I appreciate the suggestions you've made about the layout of the site and will be making the necessary changes. In particular the advice about the links seems to coming up a lot. (Had a few pm's - many thanks on that by the way).
As regards content comments I think it may be a bit too long as many of you have suggested. That said I have always liked the direct response style of marketing. I think I'll leave it up for a few weeks and then switch to a shorter version and see what the better response is.

As to the few questions that came up...

"Jim Wagner teaches people how to survive weapons of mass destruction"

How? ... Here's a goddam nuke ...run like F***

Yeah, that one raises a few eyebrows. Generally it involves pulling out a cell phone and calling Chuck Norris ;-) Seriously though WMD's do involve more than just nukes, there are also chemical weapons, suicide bombers, and plane hijacks. These are things for which you can take direct action.

Regarding Max Bats comments that it’s taking advantage of paranoid, scared middle aged people. Perhaps it is. The text may be too strong, hence my request for the review. The difficulty I'm faced with is that most people abdicate their responsibility, and yes I do think it is everyone has a responsibility to take care of themselves, and one of the only methods for getting them to realise, it is to state the hard cold facts. The statistics I mentioned are accurate and the threat of violence is real. Look at what happened on Saturday.

The site isn't being forced on uninterested parties either. Those who go to the site are already aware of the need for self defence and probably already aware of the facts.

Regarding Jon's and those above I'm going to remove the statistics and I don't agree that self defence takes more than a few days to learn. TMA as great as they are have a tendency to over complicate things. There are only so many ways the human body can move, and only so many ways to attack and defend. You can learn that those in a few days.

That said those types of skills are perishable and do require practice, but again that doesn't take much. Furthermore I believe in what I teach, all my students, and they can re-do any seminar they have taken free of charge. If you done the course once you can do it every time it’s on for free.

The martial arts take years to master, they amount of techniques and form take years of practice to perfect and grasp. That said, and I have asked this before, if you’ve ever been a street fight, ask yourself how many of your kata techniques or round house kicks you used. Chances are you didn’t. Its mostly wild punching or less wild depending on your experience, but it isn’t the nice crisp clean reverse punch or neat takedown that works well in the dojo.

Regarding my 14 years it was great, but it wasn’t reality based. Yes I could handle myself in a street fight, but as I said above, I didn’t use any of the techniques I practiced in the dojo. It did teach me the confidence to fight back though. In that respect I had the best of instructors.

Okay, the general message seems to be tone down. I’ll write up a new draft of the front page, shorter and more upbeat perhaps. I’ll post it here when I’m done.

In the meantime, did anyone check out the ebook? I think that’s what will appeal to most martial artists. If you want to bypass the sign up you can download it here www.self-defence-ireland.com/UseofForceebook.htm You can use the following Username; RealityBased and Password; 94424336945

I think this will have real application for martial artists. Let me know if you’d like more or less info on any particular topic covered in the ebook.

Thanks again guys, as always I appreciate your honesty and help.

celt2005

Website says you trained Bujinkan Ninjitsu ... who did you train with ....

Boru.

In my early days I trained with Alex Meehan, you can see his webiste at www.happobiken.com. It's something I'd like to continue to pursue. I only really touched the surface of it. Excelent stuff, great fun, but at the time in my life it just wasn't for me. I still talk regularly to Tommy Lawler and a couple of the other guys. I love Hatsumi's work, his fluidity, subtlty of movement. Incredible - now that takes a life time to master! I take it you're in the bujinkan yourself?

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To get slightly back on track I've made a couple of changes as suggested. The stats have been removed, the side nav bar is shortened and I've added an option for those who want to get straight to the courses in the opening text. Temporary, I'll have to re-do it but for now it should be okay.

I'l work on the banner and shorten that too. About half that size look about right?

yomchi

Weren't you at the Bill Wallace seminar last year??

Boru.

Yup. I have an article on the website about it. I also have three hours of audio interviews. You may remember I was the guy Pelligrini spent the day joint locking and causing mass amounts of pain to. I've got some photos on the website too. See if you're in them!

Baggio...

Hey Boru,

How long did you train with Grandmaster Maughan?, and what belt did you get up to? Also, how do you think Jim Wagners system compares to some one like Kelly Mc Canns?

All the best,

Baggio.

Boru.

I've an article coming out in this months Irish fighter about George Maughan and the GEK.Until its been publishded I don't want to overly commetn on this. I will briefly say this however, prior to the article I knew George Maughan only through his reputation in the general martial arts community. I assume many of you know what that is so I won't highlight it further. The article was a difficult one for me. I hope those who read it will understand why. After its off the shelves I'll be m ore than happy to talk about it.

As for a comparisson between Jim's system and Kelly Mc Cann's (Jim Grover) I wouldn't be the best person to ask. I have never trained with Mc Cann, nor in his system. That said I have seen the Combatitves DVD series and his book. There are many techniques similar in both systems, and again the underlying principals are similar. That said I've pressure tested some of the other techniques and have had maybe a 60/40 success rate with them. I'm more than willing to admit it may be because I'm missing some subtilites.

Technique wise there's not so much difference, if you make Mc Cann's stuff work for you use it. That applies to Krav Maga (proper Krav not the aerobics that currently pass for it out of Isreal), FIGHT and every other RB system out there.

The difference lies in the preperation. To date Jim's system is the only one that discusses and trains you in pre and post conflict. Most systems can teach you how to fight to soem degree - Jim's is the only system that teaches you how not to end up in jail after you use it. Furthermore its the only system that gives you full documentation.

I'd love to go on about it but this thread isn't a which system is better nor worse, I'm just after a bit of advice on the website. If you want to discuss it pm and I'd be happy to talk endlessly about it. or we can staart a seperate thread on the subject.

4-age

The web site reads a bit like a hollywood action film. one man against all odds.and so forth.that said it does look interesting .

kenpo_dave

Boru, Id be interested in what you have to say about George Maughan. Ive heard some things about him from my own Kenpo instructors, but Im not sure what to believe.

Regards,

Dave.

Baggio...

Hey Boru,

Thanks for the info. I'm like you, I could chat all day and night about this stuff:D .

I was interested to hear about Master Maughan, because I train in Kenpo to, as well as other forms of RBSD. I have heard very good reports about his skills, and teaching ability around the Irish Kenpo community. Plus his techs. in the Irish Fighter look pretty devastating.

I was also very intrigued re. Jim Wagner, as I have heard good reports about him from some pretty damn good Combatives guys. One lad compared him to Kelly Mc Cann – good effective techs, that were very workable under stress. Unfortunately I don't know that much about his system myself. I've just checked out his website a couple of times, and read about some of his stuff in the I.F.

As you said, might be interesting to start a new thread on the subject if you have time.

Cheers,

Baggio.

PS – G'luck with the site.

columok

Plus his techs. in the Irish Fighter look pretty devastating.

Of course they do. They're set up pictures showing him against a compliant static partner. Joe Son could look devastating in such a situation.

I'm disturbed by the amount of times I've read him comparing himself to Chuck Norris.

kenpo_dave

Baggio, just out of interest, who do you study Kenpo under? I train under Paul Dowling in Rathdown Kenpo Club.

Regards, Dave.

yomchi

So now the article is out, care to elaborate Boru?

columok

Kenpo...

best summed up by:



http://www.ltatum.com/movies/Week22/TipOfTheWeekMedW22.html

No more having some lay and pray wrestler wrecking your day in the cage. Larry Tatum... for when that Matt Lindland/Tito Ortiz/Mark Kerr fight is drawing near.

mikeruurds

Parry and kick.... together. Impressive. I wonder what would happen if the guy actually had his full weight on him and was aiming those punches with full force at his head rather than into mid-air.

I have zip MA experience and I'm not fooled :P

columok

Exactly and Tatum is regarded as a kenpo deity.

So kenpo... hmmmmmm

yomchi

Any attacker silly enough to stradle their victim exposing their crown jewls deserved to be parried and kicked at the same time

columok

Especially when every kenpo technique I've ever seen involves "destroying the groin", "hammerfist to the groin" or "quick ballshot" at least fifteen times.

Lesson: If you're gonna ground and pound some kenpo guy sit down, have a breather- it's not like he's going anywhere. (well not with this escape):)

Roper

I'd love to mount Larry Tatum and.... no no wait I didn't mean it like that....

Suffice to say if that was a guy with about a month of Jits and our Larry tried that escape it would turn ugly. I'm serious, a month would do it IMO.

Roper

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columok

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Practice your Kenpo lessons, yellow through 3rd black, easily by inserting the new "Kenpo Flash Audio" CD into your CD player and workout uninterrupted as techniques are called out to you by the world renowned Kenpo Grandmaster Larry Tatum.
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a month would do it IMO.

I dont think you'd need training to do damage in that position. Any random street bum would more than likely sit on him and pound him out.

yomchi

Roper wrote:

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Practice your Kenpo lessons, yellow through 3rd black, easily by inserting the new "Kenpo Flash Audio" CD into your CD player and workout uninterrupted as techniques are called out to you by the world renowned Kenpo Grandmaster Larry Tatum.
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LOL!

Seriously though, how come a man of his years wouldn't see the logic in closing the striking distance down between him and his attacker, which then opens up more possibilitys of turning him and applying a nice little choke?

Parrying punch's sheesh..:rolleyes:

columok

Seriously though, how come a man of his years wouldn't see the logic in closing the striking distance down between him and his attacker, which then opens up more possibilitys of turning him and applying a nice little choke?

Cause the system he is a master in has veered so far down the river of "brutal street defence" that it's become separated from sparring and its gone nuts. The principles are kind of there in most BJJ sweeps.
1) Trap the arm to stop the guy posting
2) Kick and roll him over.

Yet Tatum having obviously never sparred properly on the ground (and possibly standing up) still teaches this drivel.

yomchi

columok wrote:

Cause the system he is a master in has veered so far down the river of "brutal street defence" that it's become separated from sparring and its gone nuts. The principles are kind of there in most BJJ sweeps.
1) Trap the arm to stop the guy posting
2) Kick and roll him over.

Yet Tatum having obviously never sparred properly on the ground (and possibly standing up) still teaches this drivel.

It a wonder he's never had a student beaten to death

columok

It a wonder he's never had a student beaten to death

Scarily true for many martial arts teaching rubbish for self defence. Its really irresponsible for teachers to teach crap even if its out of ignorance, as it is in Larry Tatum's case.

But is ignorance an excuse when people are paying you to learn? Well its not in every other aspect of life.

As Millionaire said elsewhere (paraphrased) "If you promise to be able to teach someone to defend themselves in 12 weeks if you havent you've failed". And thats not cool tbh. Especially when people have false beliefs about their own skills and get themselves in trouble because a) cant run away but they do something ludicrously stupid like he teaches or b) dont avoid a fight they could avoid and do something ludicrously stupid.

Tim_Murphy

It is actually scary that people take people like him seriously.

Baggio...

Hey columok,

Thanks for putting that pic of Tatum up there. Bwhahahah! who the hell does he think he is??? - some mystical Chinese warrior ghost. Or just some old dude with a crap hairstyle:D . Any of you ever seen his so called "Tips of the Week", on his website? HAH! that crap would never work in the street. It should be retitled “Crap of the Week”. He's just too interested at looking at himself in a mirror – than understanding real street combat (feel sorry for his students).

I'm well aware of all the pitfalls in Kenpo, that's why I would use Combatives for the street as I keep saying. You wont hear me mention any Kenpo Tech. here on this board. As I have stated before my roots are in Kenpo, and I enjoy the training for fitness and as a hobby. I train in Combatives and RBSD more than I do in Kenpo these days.

Also, you mentioned compliancy.... Yup! a Kenpo bugbear alright – you do well to point it out. Although you could say that about every TMA. Everything is given to you in a Dojo. In Combatives there is no compliancy, as it's something you do to somebody, rather than with somebody. What I mean by that we don't fool around with an aggressor. We don't block, trap, counter. It's just attack attack attack, until the threat is gone (assuming that you could not avoid or escape).

Cheers,

Baggio.

Boru.

Hi Jon,

Just getting back to the whole Maughan thing. Most ofn those interested will have read the article by now. This was actually handed in quite late. And i had some serious problems writing it.

The biggest issue I had initialy was that the techniques I was shown as "realistic street defence" involved jumping in the air and seizing a guy, performing a joint lock, dropping him on the ground and standing on his head. I don't know where to statr with what's wrong wiht that. The course, in my opinion will take €600 off you and teach you to get killed very quickly.

Secondly was the history. I had heard sevral rumors regarding Muaghan's claims to rank etc and his history of training. In the original interview I had with him he was quite vague on these details.

I was stuck trying to write an article about a guy whose system I didn't endorse, who was a nice guy, but clearly misreprtesenting himself. My solution was to right about his philosophy of training, which is to hit people unnessesarily hard. Again - the ethics and validity of such a training method I question.

There may be the possability of correcting this in a future issue with a rebuttal argument form some other Kenpo practitioners if they are available for interview. Personally I would love to get a definitive answer in print.

Millionaire

Does n't Maughan, do a mail order black belt thing, where you learn kenpo from DVDs?

Learning from DVDs is great if you got years of experience, but for a complete beginner I think it would be very difficult.

yomchi

Boru. wrote:

Hi Jon,

Just getting back to the whole Maughan thing. Most ofn those interested will have read the article by now. This was actually handed in quite late. And i had some serious problems writing it.

The biggest issue I had initialy was that the techniques I was shown as "realistic street defence" involved jumping in the air and seizing a guy, performing a joint lock, dropping him on the ground and standing on his head. I don't know where to statr with what's wrong wiht that. The course, in my opinion will take €600 off you and teach you to get killed very quickly.

Secondly was the history. I had heard sevral rumors regarding Muaghan's claims to rank etc and his history of training. In the original interview I had with him he was quite vague on these details.

I was stuck trying to write an article about a guy whose system I didn't endorse, who was a nice guy, but clearly misreprtesenting himself. My solution was to right about his philosophy of training, which is to hit people unnessesarily hard. Again - the ethics and validity of such a training method I question.

There may be the possability of correcting this in a future issue with a rebuttal argument form some other Kenpo practitioners if they are available for interview. Personally I would love to get a definitive answer in print.

Thanks for the honest answer Boru. How come he made the front page if there are many question marks floating around?

MaxBax

Millionaire wrote:

Does n't Maughan, do a mail order black belt thing, where you learn kenpo from DVDs?

Learning from DVDs is great if you got years of experience, but for a complete beginner I think it would be very difficult.

i think to learn from DVDs you'd need to be very self critical, have some very good sparring partners and be a very good self-starter/learner. there's so much to be said for having a guy who knows what he's talking about watch you spar etc. so he can just tell you what you're doing wrong, rather than you making the same mistakes for days/weeks/months until you realise yourself yes i do drop my hands and yes my guard is easily passed tihs way.

Baggio...

Hey Boru,

Sorry I'm a bit confused here...
The article seems to be very positive towards Maughan's system. So now you are saying that you don't endorse it on this forum?

Sounds like you wrote a very "subjective" article, why would you do that?
Why not say what you mean in the article....?? It does not matter if he's nice or not. If it works - it works - if it wont - it wont.

Baggio.

PS - it was you who wrote the article right?

Boru.

Jon as regards your question of why he made the front cover, it comes down to a couple of things. Firstly he asked. He also has a sizable ad in the magazine and so has a little clout. He's also a marketing mogul who uses each article to launch his next. For instance he had an article in Combat which lead to Irish Fighter my artcile is going to Ma Illustated I think.

Finally Maughan is a recognized Grandmaster and Soke on several iternational councils and for better or worse is one of the most prolific Martial Artists form Ireland. The controversey surrounding his early training adds to this.

Also the author happens to be a brilliant writer....:rolleyes: (I kid....isn';t the martial arts ment to teach humility....hmmm)

Baggio as regards your comments. Yes I wrote that article. As to say what I mean...well that's not my call. I was asked to write an interview piece about George Maughan, not a citique of his system, of which I have only a little experience of. Kenpo is not my strong point - I'm a Shotokan kinda guy, so I have absolutely no right to turn around and critque his stlye in a professional article.

I never write anyone or any system off. You can always learn something form it, even it is only that you don't like it. You now have one more peice of information about yourself. Goerge Muaghan is a sincerely charming individual, polite kind and generous. Just becasue I personally, do not like or agree with his training methodology or his techniques does not mean they have no value. Perhaps I'm just not seeing something that someone else will.

As such I spent ages trying to find a positive aspect that I could realate to the reader about this training. In the end I decided not to discuss his techniques, which I wasn't comfortable talking about, but instead focus on his training philosophy and a particular concept that I found interesting - that of the psychological conditioining he believes so strongly in.

I've watched his dvd's and I've seen how his students react to being hit very hard by him. He can by the way, hit very very hard. I've listend to him speak pasionately about his system and his views and he sincerely believes that what he teaches has value and application on the street.

I've seen it and I disagree. I think its unrealistic and will get people killed. So will many traditional martial arts techniques, again, in my opiniion. Does that mean I should say something neagative about a particular TMA? By no means. As I said earlier you can always learn something. I'm not going to bad mouth Karate just becasue they don;t teach Brazillian Jujitsu techniques, I'm not going to slam Tae Kwon Do because I feel a reverse spin kick is a silly thing to do in a fight.

All my articles, seminars, etc are subjective, as they should be for everyone. I believe in approaching each in an aspect of what can I learn form this - not anyone else just me. I'm the only person who can judge what is important to me. As you are the only one who can judge what is important to you.

I could have written an extremely prejuidiced and neagtive review of Maughan had I chose to, but then nothing would be gained form that. The way the article stands people can take it or leave it. I found several positive things in my experience with Maughan.

I learnt that I feel quite strongly about the use of force on students, and exaclty what is and is not excessive.
I learnt that Kenpo is a stlye that does not intrest me.
I learnt that I am extremely happy with my own knowledge of self defence and now more than ever believe that the technqiues I teach my students are effective and could save lives.
I know exacltly the type off dojo I want in my back garden.
I learnt that there are many maretial artsiost out there I don't want to train with but are very nice people
I learnt there will always be someone who thinks that what you teach has value and that others won't.

On a personal note it really hit home with me that you don't have to please everybody and cater for them. There will always be people who get you.

To bring it back to topic your post "It does not matter if he's nice or not. If it works - it works - if it wont - it wont."

I don't know you. I don't know each individual reader. Maughans system works for many of his students and they are happy with what they are learning. Personally it wouldn't work for me, but it may work for you or the reader. You don't know till you try.

Some people like TMA some like Pride and UFC, some like Boxercise and in the end I have no right nor would I wish to say that wouldn 't work or thats a waste of time. I can only say that doesn't work for me, and that at this time I don't want to study it.

Perhaps this has confused the issue more? As always, please let me know what you think.

yomchi

Did GM Maughan ask for the 'face of death' title?

MaxBax

would someone do me a favour and summise the scandal that's going on.

yomchi

LOL ok from what I've heard - I repeat HEARD. George Maughan's rank and his attainment of such is alledgedly dubious. His system of SD is apparantly worse than Larry Tatums. But he got a praising write up in the Irish Fighter, including front page with a title - fearless in the face of death'.

This what I make of it.

MaxBax

who is GM and where can i go and test his training methods without paying a **** load of money.

Naos

So many things to say, so little time/words.

A) Columok, that Larry Tatum(Looks like Ben Stiller - Dodgeball) video was, well frustrating to say the least.

Boru, do you honestly believe that an 8hr 150e session can set people up for RBSD? That'll be forgotten within a week.

C) "Real self defense takes days not year!" is insulting. And a complete joke.

As Max said, your website seems to be based on peoples paranoia.

Millionaire

Mear wrote:

Boru, do you honestly believe that an 8hr 150e session can set people up for RBSD? That'll be forgotten within a week.

C) "Real self defense takes days not year!" is insulting. And a complete joke.

As Max said, your website seems to be based on peoples paranoia.

Just to answer Mears questions from my own experience, I think if you are an experienced MA person, who is consistently training, say at least 3 - 4 years experience. Then you can learn RBSD techniques in a day. why? well if you got 4 years say Thai , well you should be able to punch, kick, knee and elbow pretty good. so it would be easy to pick up and learn Palm shots, hammer strikes, elbows, escapes from grabs etc etc. the experienced MA person has the deliever system in place, and with a few slight changes, they will learn the technique. how do I know this?????? Because I am someone who has done this.

Now if you take some guy, who the most physical thing he does is a half assed round of pitch & put, and a bicep workout of pints lifting after golf. there is no way you are going to master RBSD in a few hours.

If you can take MR Golf & Pints man and teach his to be effective in RBSD in 8 hours. Then take him for another 8 hours, teach him Muay Thai (after all Thai is easy to learn, the strikes are simple, and most thai strikes are in RBSD) , then let him get into the ring with a Thai figther and do a few hard rounds and see what happens.


As for Paronia, well no one should live in paronia. however there are alot of bad bastrads out there. (look at that poor girl shot in north dublin by scum bags). So I think it is important to recognise that, and have a few tricks....just in case!

Naos

Of course its handy to have a few tricks under your belt

Obviously I didnt make myself clear, my post wasn't aimed at MAs, it was the typical couch potato who believes they can learn RBSD in 8 hours.
An MA could do it, as based on what you have said, they already have a strong foundation and just need to change their delivery system slightly. However, these techniques will need to be practised over and over in order to get them fluid.

dlofnep

So this is why this thread is so long..

Baggio...

"B) Boru, do you honestly believe that an 8hr 150e session can set people up for RBSD? That'll be forgotten within a week.

C) "Real self defense takes days not year!" is insulting. And a complete joke.

As Max said, your website seems to be based on peoples paranoia."

I'm with you there Mear, you're spot on.
Boru thinks that 600 euros will get you "killed" in Maughan's system. What about his 150 euro a day courses (oh, and after spending 750 - you can become a "certified" teacher in Boru's "wonder system".

Dunno' Boru, maybe someone should email Maughan, and show him your posts on this board. I'm sure he'd be interested after you gave him such a cool review in the I.F.

Baggio.