ADVICE Re DISH SETUP

shaktoo

hello all,I am new and havent yet any motorised set up .I have ordered my first FTA reciever and am researching about which dish to buy and which set up to go for and obviously which sats and channels i want is an integral part of that set up. Ideally i want NILESAT and PAS10. but what i am getting after a bit of reading around is that these 2 satellites are near to impossible for myself in drogheda.So i am looking to set up a fixed multifeed 60cm for ASTRA 's & HOTBIRD( with 2 dedicated outputsfrom dual LNB for Sky FTA stuff into 2 digiboxes) and then another fixed60cm for HISPASAT.then probably a 1.1m TRIAX with quad output .3db LNB going thru a DiseqC switch and stab HH120 motor , or shall i just go for a 88cm triax with moteck SG 2100A?
the other setup is with a multifeed gregorian dish like WAVE FRONTIER 90cm with five or more offset LNB's running thru DiseqC switch? i have been told mixed things some say its a rubbish dish and not worth it another is saying it will work ? is it at all possible or worth the effort as i want to be brave and install it myself ! is this all gonna be too much for a newbie ?
please HELP !!!!my head hair and my wife's patience all wearing extremely THIN over this !!!!!!!!

watty

60cm is too small for multifeed. 80cm.

Really by time you buy 1 x 60cm dish, 1 x 80cm dish and 4 LNBs a 100Euro motek, single LNB and 80cm dish is better.

I do have a Quad LNB and two normal LNBs on an 80cm Dish, but this feeds 3 digiboxes and a PC Satellite card. It used to feed two analog receivers and Digibox. A multifeed dish is good if you want multiple receivers at the same time.

I also have a 80cm motorised dish on a Motek motor driving a cheap FTA receiver. This gets about 20 satellites. A 1.1m dish would not really get more satellites but make some feeds less erratic and get some more channels on 1W. However I think a 1.1m dish is worthwhile on the Motor and I hope to upgrade to that.

The 88cm Triax and Motek Sg2100 is best solution for single receiver and multilnb dishes are very time consuming to setup.

If you pole is 100% vertical, then using USALS/GOTO X you only ghave to mount the dish/motor according to table in motor manual for your North degrees, enter your N &W in the Receiver setup and select Hispasat or Turksat and fine tune. (The Select 8W due south satelite method is best if you do NOT have GotoX / USALS). Then all the satellites work.

Forget Nilesat, Pas10, Amos except for a very big fixed dish. There are plenty other channels.

I hope to help a friend setup a 3.4m C band and try 1.7m mesh for C band myself during the summer.

A big toriodial or multifeed gregorian is really for an Apartment distribution or cable head end system where all the satellites must be present at once.

Up to 16 inputs is possible via Diseqc switch, but more than 4 is expensive and complex. I have four way on the PC as its Satellite card is not good at suppliing the start current for a motor.

shaktoo

thanks watty. i want to explain a bit further that i will be using 2 digiboxes. one downstairs another upstairs as well as a twin tuner PVR ( later on in a few months time) and a cheap FTA reciever downstairs.i want a dedicated feed for 28E going up and down ( and for future proof ..i.e the twin tuner)through a quad out LNB. then i want hispasat either fixed with the same feed ? is it possible to have one dish 80cm for astra And hispasat ?? is there any lnb bracket that could be done or modded for this purpose ? if not then i have to either get another dish fixed for hispasat OR a motorised setup in which case i would have to move from Sat to sat i.e gap of --seconds betwwn actually recieving that channel.as per your advice i think one dish for astra hotbird and a 1.1 mtorised set up for the rest will be the best and cheapest solution ?would i need a more then 4:1 diseqC switch for this setup ?is there any folding big dish like 2.4 m that could be (ahem)portable as well ...(lol) what a deranged question but why i ask is because i have to move around every few years time regarding my work... and although i would LOVE to have a 4.5m C+Ku band in my backyard BUT i canot practically, so what would your advice be with this regards as well?

shaktoo

also one question about USALS does the reciever has to be compatable for USALS ? will a diseqC 1.2 do the same for the USALS or diseqC 1.3 or gotoX ??

watty

Not possible to have either Astra @28E or Astra @19E with Hispasat @30W with out two dishs.

Put a QUAD LNB on Sky dish for Astra @28 and Motor for FTA receiver.

Or if you want Hotbird @13E , Astra@19E and Sky/Astra/Eurobird @28E on one dish use a 80cm for that.

USALS is a "Stab" trade name. Diseqc 1.3 is a marketing term. Diseqc 1.2 is offical Eutelsat standard.

GOTOX is a command to a Diseqc 1.2 motor, not actually in the Diseqc 1.2 Spec. The Moteck Motor and the "Stab" motors support this as do many others. Sometimes others call this Diseqc 1.3, but this is not correct.

USALS is the STAB licenced software system to use your Latitude and Logitude input on the Receiver. The receiver computes the GotoX command for the Motor from the satellite angle and your position. Thus the motor only needs aligned on ANY known satellite (assuming pole is vertical and dish straight on arm and dish angle on arm correct and polar mount angle is correct, only East/West is unknown).

Any Receiver that claims to support GOtox and has a setup menu for your position eg 52.5N and 7.4W is doing USALS, but can only call it that if they pay royalty for Stab licence.

So the Receiver must be able to send GOTOX command and the Motor must understand it.

Only older Diseqc 1.2 receivers don't have GotoX/USALS. Then each satellite must be found and stored indivudually and some motors only store 8 or 16 positions.

With Receiver automatic GOTOX from Satellite position (e.g. Turksat @42E) no satellite positions are stored, The USALS or compatible calculation issues "GOTOX nn" where nn is calculated each time. At 8W (i.e. Limerick) an 8W satellite would thus be GOTOX 0

Zaphod

shaktoo wrote:

is there any folding big dish like 2.4 m that could be (ahem)portable as well ?

Anything is possible with enough money.
http://www.satcomresources.com/product.do?mode=11&productId=2643

Got $60,000 to spare?

shaktoo

wow thats what i WANT!!!!! now if i could only win the LOTTO then i'd be SORTED MATE !!