Another One Bites The Dust

The C Kid

ZeeJustin has had his accounts closed by Party due to multi-tabling irregularities. Looks like Party are putting their foot down, will they have anyone left to play their multis now?

staringelf

sweet. good enough for him. i hope they cleaned his accounts out.

PS. as a weird side note, i was just after reading this on 2+2 and was going to start a thread here about it with the title "another one bites the dust". then i saw i was beaten to it. how bizarre is that?

BigDragon

Split pot!

The C Kid

He only had six accounts apparently.

Ste05

The C Kid wrote:

He only had six accounts apparently.

So all these amazing MTT players are all just cheaters, I'm absolutely delighted about all this, absolutely delighted.....

Just read ZeeJustin's "Statement" in this thread and I'm also happy that he's not taking this lying down. Unlike JJ (the dope), Justin Bonomo (ZeeJustin) actually has a brain between his ears and isn't just writing off his $100k. I only read the posts from Posters I respect so excuse me if someone completely blew his argument out of the water.

But I'm very much in the same camp as ZJ here, that it wasn't against Party rules at the time and so it's their fault (Party) and not the players that exploited their lax rules. I also agree with ZJ's thoughts on having different accounts so people don't have reads on his play. (Except how I counter this by constantly moving between different sites and certainly not using multiple accounts so psople never see me enough to know anything about me)

It seems now that Party are taking steps to stop this kind of thing but I really don't think they should be penalising past offenders of current rules. It should be from now on they crack down hard on any multi-accounters. Flag accounts to look out for such as ZJ's 6 :eek: Gigabet's (god knows how many) etc. etc. and as soon as they play more than one account, take all their money from all their accounts, but until they breach this new rule they shouldn't do anything. Just wait, they'll all breach the rule soon enough, when they realise that it's quite difficult to win these tournaments with only one account entered!!

OK, This might be a bit badly written, a bad day in work and so knocking back Tiger beers here at the mo, but basically I'm glad these multi-accounters are getting caught, but I just want Party to do it legitimately.

staringelf

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=tourn&Number=4859737&Searchpage=1&Main=4856097&Words=+ZeeJustin&topic=&Search=true#Post4859737

check out his feeble attempt to justify what he did. what a tool.


EDIT: i see ste05 already linked it. i disagree with you ste05 tho, its quite clearly cheating. he knew right well what he was at. he was clever enough to spot the flaw in the T&C but that doesn't excuse his actions.

oh, btw, i don't for one second buy that crap about having the multiple accounts to disguise himself from his loose blind stealing image he had supposedly acquired. i think his real motives were of the more unethical type.

The Snapper

BigDragon wrote:

Split pot!

Lmfao:D

Ste05

staringelf wrote:

oh, btw, i don't for one second buy that crap about having the multiple accounts to disguise himself from his loose blind stealing image he had supposedly acquired. i think his real motives were of the more unethical type.

The only reason I believe him is because I don't like people having any reads on me at all, and so I'm not tied down to one set image, hence why I'm constantly moving sites, I literally hit one site then move on about a week later.

It has pro's and con's but it's just what I find better for me. People's notes on me are never accurate because I could have been playing LAG but am now playing TAG, I note everyone I sit at a table with and a code for what style of play I was playing at the time. (Updated each time I sit with someone) So I know what they think of me and try to expose that. Along with my normal notes on them, so when my notes aren't complete, I think they are more accurate then their's on me. Hence I understand ZJ's thinking about your own table image and how it can be good to have a certain image at certain sites.

I could go on here but I won't cos it's getting off topic but basically while I do NOT condone multi-accounting I can see why he wanted different accounts. Once he doesn't collude (his MTT excuse was a bit dodgy but I'd say he never had the same account in the same STT, if he did then he should have every penny taken from him - oops too late, )

staringelf

Ste05 wrote:

Hence I understand ZJ's thinking about your own table image and how it can be good to have a certain image at certain sites.

i agree but i dont think this was in any way a motive for the multiple accounts. to me it just looks like a convienent excuse.

Ste05 wrote:

Once he doesn't collude (his MTT excuse was a bit dodgy but I'd say he never had the same account in the same STT, if he did then he should have every penny taken from him - oops too late, )

apparently he did. a couple of people are saying they've seen one or more of the 6 named accounts in the same high level SNG. while this may be BS, it wouldn't surprise me if it were true...the money making potential and advantage you could gain from chip dumping, sandwich plays and the like in SNGS are huge.

i think its over 100k that's been confiscated...imagine losing that amount of money:eek:

The C Kid

Ste05 wrote:

So all these amazing MTT players are all just cheaters, I'm absolutely delighted about all this, absolutely delighted.....


Flag accounts to look out for such as ZJ's 6 :eek: Gigabet's (god knows how many) .

Probably a bit unfair too tarnish all the top MTTers with the same brush. Until they are actually found guilty of multi-accounting in the same competition then they should recieve the benefit of the doubt. Having more that one account isn't really a problem for me, I understand and completely back their reasoning behind it. However playing more than one account in the same competition is wrong.

I'd be very suprised if a number of posters on here, don't have a couple of accounts on the network they use.

spectre

Couldn't agree more with you C Kid. The whole concept of internet poker is to simulate real poker as close as possible. Therefore playing as more than one player in a MTT is very wrong and the offenders must be punished.

However, in legal terms, the offenders have no real case to answer. The T&C were not infringed, and therefore the payout should not be confiscated. If it were me, I would most certainly not be taking this lying town and seek legal advice. The T&C need to be updated as well as the client software.

Pokerguru

While I agree that his accounts should be closed, I don't think they should be consficating 100k of his money. I'd like to know the legal position here and how they can just take somebodys cash like that.

okidoki987

Out of the 100k, how much of that was Profit or was it all his own
stake money, does anybody know?

ianmc38

Pokerguru wrote:

While I agree that his accounts should be closed, I don't think they should be consficating 100k of his money. I'd like to know the legal position here and how they can just take somebodys cash like that.

Any bookies/gaming company has the right to take the money from someones account, in the sameway they dont have to payout on bets.

ianmc38

okidoki987 wrote:

Out of the 100k, how much of that was Profit or was it all his own
stake money, does anybody know?

I would imagine it was all profit.

The C Kid

The man has finally spoken

http://www.zeejustin.com/journal.php?journal_id=81

wayfarer

Some players have begun to question my two recent tournament wins. Lee Jones publicly stated the following, “His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully).” PartyPoker has not made any similar statements, but my second place finish in the million guaranteed was legitimate as well. I have the hand histories to prove this, and if the good people at www.twoplustwo.com are willing to have me back, I will gladly post the hand history as proof.


Has he done this? I wouldn't mind having a look at those... just to see how he plays. I don't really care about his cheating!

ocallagh

he should probably update this page on his site: http://www.zeejustin.com/onlinepoker.php

MrPillowTalk

What is the situation with multiple accounts on the same computer if they are not being entered in the same tourneys is it allowed?

My brother and I often play different accounts off the same pc, does anyone envisage this kind of situation leading to account closures and more importantly fund seizures?

I dont think they should freeze his funds at least not all of them, if they insist on banning him they should only confiscate funds won whilst playing multiple accounts in mtts.

10 tables at a time is crazy, I have difficulty with 2 or 3

ocallagh

seems like poker stars have got it right.. they perform a full investigation and only seize profit from tournaments where more than one account was used.

party have gone for blitz approach..

Imposter

Where's the deterent in the Pokerstars way of doing things?

Party dealt with this situation better imo.